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WIN FOR XBOX!!!!!!
pfft you still have to pay. Win for PC. I
Steam.
Sony Hacked again and again and again and again and....
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 02:18
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pfft you still have to pay. Win for PC. I
Steam.
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 02:51
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Ringo12 wrote...
J0HNL3I wrote...
WIN FOR XBOX!!!!!!
pfft you still have to pay. Win for PC. I
Actully Silver is Free. Minus extra contenet which you have to buy. Which is also true of Steam. I have Steam Myself, don't use it much though. Good deals on it at times though.
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 02:54
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Puff, my oh my, I'm going to get the PS3 console but i'm still wondering which console is better, PS3 or XBOX 360, now I have only 1 candidate: XBOX. Never heard XBOX has anything like this before. Screw you, PS3, better luck next time!!!
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 03:03
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Puff, my oh my, I'm going to get the PS3 console but i'm still wondering which console is better, PS3 or XBOX 360, now I have only 1 candidate: XBOX. Never heard XBOX has anything like this before. Screw you, PS3, better luck next time!!!
LOL
Pretty much depends on what type of games you like, though I find the X-box to be better, though I'm cheap.
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 03:52
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Let me quote you a quote from CelrathFiery Phoenix wrote...
It's not a hack.
Celrath wrote...
Actualy your wrong Sony is not admitting they where hacked again but there was a scam going around before they took it down again
Read about it Here
So facepalm to you Mister Lightning.
And for the the record exploting and explot is a hack.
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 04:11
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Ops, hadn't noticed that one. Thanks, GI.
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 05:35
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GreedIgnored wrote...
And for the the record exploting and explot is a hack.
No, it is not.
This was a terriblly stupid oversight on Sony's part, but it was not a hack. See, hacking is the act of forcing your way into a computer or a network. An exploit made possible by a hack is not a hack in and of itself.
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Godak wrote...
GreedIgnored wrote...
And for the the record exploting and explot is a hack.
No, it is not.
This was a terriblly stupid oversight on Sony's part, but it was not a hack. See, hacking is the act of forcing your way into a computer or a network. An exploit made possible by a hack is not a hack in and of itself.
hack 1 (h
k)v. hacked, hack·ing, hacks
v.tr.
1. To cut or chop with repeated and irregular blows: hacked down the saplings.
2. To break up the surface of (soil).
3.
a. Informal To alter (a computer program): hacked her text editor to read HTML.
b. To gain access to (a computer file or network) illegally or without authorization: hacked the firm's personnel database.
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I hate Hackers, those no lifers. x.x I am Okays though I am more of a single player and Offliner. I have both Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. I hope they fix and do everything safely and secured. 
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Celrath wrote...
[/b]b. To gain access to (a computer file or network) illegally or without authorization: hacked the firm's personnel database.
The hackers used compromised information that they gained from the previous hack. Entering that compromised information is not a hack, as they had all the information Sony required for authorization.
Question: if someone found my online banking information on a piece of paper and they proceeded to use that information to access my online banking account, are they a hacker?
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Answer: Hell Yes they are!Godak wrote...
Celrath wrote...
[/b]b. To gain access to (a computer file or network) illegally or without authorization: hacked the firm's personnel database.
The hackers used compromised information that they gained from the previous hack. Entering that compromised information is not a hack, as they had all the information Sony required for authorization.
Question: if someone found my online banking information on a piece of paper and they proceeded to use that information to access my online banking account, are they a hacker?
In fact that is the main source of identity theft in the US
But that is besides the point, other hackers not the ones from the original hack also used other means of obtaining that information, like phishing scams. So yeah that's clearly a hack
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The are not authorized to use the information that they have illegally obtained and are therefore hacking by definiton.Godak wrote...
Celrath wrote...
[/b]b. To gain access to (a computer file or network) illegally or without authorization: hacked the firm's personnel database.
The hackers used compromised information that they gained from the previous hack. Entering that compromised information is not a hack, as they had all the information Sony required for authorization.
Question: if someone found my online banking information on a piece of paper and they proceeded to use that information to access my online banking account, are they a hacker?
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Celrath wrote...
Answer: Hell Yes they are!
In fact that is the main source of identity theft in the US
Identity theft is not hacking. It is fraud.
Celrath wrote...
But
that is besides the point, other hackers not the ones from the original
hack also used other means of obtaining that information, like phishing
scams. So yeah that's clearly a hack
No, that is clearly fraud.
Strangely Brown wrote...
The are not authorized to use the information that they have illegally obtained and are therefore hacking by definiton.
The only information required to make use of this exploit is one's birthdate and email address. There are many legal ways to obtain that data, though it is especially worrying because of the recent hack that allowed that information to get into the wrong hands.
"Sony's Senior Director of Corporate Communications & Social Media,
Patrick Seybold, told 1UP that it did indeed take down the PSN and
Qriocity password reset page as a result of the issue. 'We temporarily
took down the PSN and Qriocity password reset page,' Seybold said. 'Contrary to some reports, there was no hack involved. In the process
of resetting of passwords there was a URL exploit that we have
subsequently fixed.'"
If a company actually comes out and says "There was no hack, we f'd up," I'm tempted to agree with them.
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Godak wrote...
Strangely Brown wrote...
The are not authorized to use the information that they have illegally obtained and are therefore hacking by definiton.
The only information required to make use of this exploit is one's birthdate and email address. There are many legal ways to obtain that data, though it is especially worrying because of the recent hack that allowed that information to get into the wrong hands.
"Sony's Senior Director of Corporate Communications & Social Media,
Patrick Seybold, told 1UP that it did indeed take down the PSN and
Qriocity password reset page as a result of the issue. 'We temporarily
took down the PSN and Qriocity password reset page,' Seybold said. 'Contrary to some reports, there was no hack involved. In the process
of resetting of passwords there was a URL exploit that we have
subsequently fixed.'"
If a company actually comes out and says "There was no hack, we f'd up," I'm tempted to agree with them.
That doesn't matter. Even if they obtained your information legally, unless you personally authorized them to use the information it is fraud and is also hacking (accessing a computer through illegal means and without authorization).
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It wasn't hacked...
*UPDATE* To clarify, Sony's Patrick Seybold explains on the PlayStation Blog that there was no hacking or hackers involved here. "We temporarily took down the PSN and Qriocity password reset page," he writes. "Contrary to some reports, there was no hack involved. In the process of resetting of passwords there was a URL exploit that we have subsequently fixed."
He recommends that anyone still needing to change their password do so through a PS3 console. It can be done through web-related means once the websites go back up.
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That doesn't matter.
What a rousing argument.
Strangely Brown wrote...
Even if they obtained your information legally, unless you personally authorized them to use the information it is fraud and is also hacking (accessing a computer through illegal means and without authorization).
They are not accessing a computer or a computer network illegally, they are pretty much going to Sony and claiming that they are someone they are not. Access to the network itself is not illegal, but claiming to be someone on the network who you are not IS illegal. Fraud.
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asindre wrote...
It wasn't hacked...*UPDATE* To clarify, Sony's Patrick Seybold explains on the PlayStation Blog that there was no hacking or hackers involved here. "We temporarily took down the PSN and Qriocity password reset page," he writes. "Contrary to some reports, there was no hack involved. In the process of resetting of passwords there was a URL exploit that we have subsequently fixed."
He recommends that anyone still needing to change their password do so through a PS3 console. It can be done through web-related means once the websites go back up.
They were informed of the exploit through a web site who had someone who use the exploit demonstrate it for the website. So as much as Sony likes to say they weren't hacked, like any company would at this point. That doesn't make it true. Plus the web site the originally broke the story isn't that big so it will most likely get buried by the Sony PR machine.
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They were informed of the exploit through a web site who had someone who use the exploit demonstrate it for the website. So as much as Sony likes to say they weren't hacked, like any company would at this point. That doesn't make it true. Plus the web site the originally broke the story isn't that big so it will most likely get buried by the Sony PR machine.
Sony would love to say that they got hacked again. Pointing their fingers at the big bad crackers is the only thing that has kept any of their uber-fans even somewhat calm.
It is far worse for a company's PR to have to admit to lax security measures after suffering an malicious cyber assault due to...lax security.
I bet this does nothing but make the outraged rage even harder.
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I love it when sentences are isolated and removed from context. Although I guess it was vague. I was referiing to the means by which they obtained the information.Godak wrote...
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That doesn't matter.
What a rousing argument.
Yes it is fraud and by pretending to be someone they are not in order to access that persons account is the same as accessing a computer without authorization and therefore is a hack.Godak wrote...
Strangely Brown wrote...
Even if they obtained your information legally, unless you personally authorized them to use the information it is fraud and is also hacking (accessing a computer through illegal means and without authorization).
They are not accessing a computer or a computer network illegally, they are pretty much going to Sony and claiming that they are someone they are not. Access to the network itself is not illegal, but claiming to be someone on the network who you are not IS illegal. Fraud.
Anyways, this topic is now totally derailed.
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Strangely Brown wrote...
I was referiing to the means by which they obtained the information.
I know. And it DOES matter. That's why I found your statement so...odd.
Strangely Brown wrote...
Yes it is fraud and by pretending to be someone they are not in order to access that persons account is the same as accessing a computer without authorization and therefore is a hack.
You are relying so strongly on that dictionary definition of hacking. How about I pull out a definition of my own?
"In computer networking, hacking is any technical effort to manipulate the normal behavior of network connections and connected systems." - Bradley Mitchell
Empahsis added.
No technical manipulation was necessary for this exploit.
Strangely Brown wrote...
Anyways, this topic is now totally derailed.
I think the general consensus is that Sony royally screwed up...again.
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Godak wrote...
Strangely Brown wrote...
I was referiing to the means by which they obtained the information.
I know. And it DOES matter. That's why I found your statement so...odd.Strangely Brown wrote...
Yes it is fraud and by pretending to be someone they are not in order to access that persons account is the same as accessing a computer without authorization and therefore is a hack.
You are relying so strongly on that dictionary definition of hacking. How about I pull out a definition of my own?
"In computer networking, hacking is any technical effort to manipulate the normal behavior of network connections and connected systems." - Bradley Mitchell
Empahsis added.
No technical manipulation was necessary for this exploit.Strangely Brown wrote...
Anyways, this topic is now totally derailed.
I think the general consensus is that Sony royally screwed up...again.
Well then it all comes down to how you define a hack I guess.<_<
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Well then it all comes down to how you define a hack I guess.<_<
My dad works in information security. It is a HUGE point of contention to this very day.
