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[AreleX]

I'm thinking 48...or maybe 54? The font size. For the text at the beginning of your videos, I mean.

Still waiting on your run, by the way.

[mr_afk]

...I don't think it's possible to beat 28seconds with a warrior.
I'll still attempt it a few more times later but as it is, I think the best speed I can get will be around the high 40s. Also, I'm not using many maker's sighs/special weapons/poisons this time so am losing out on quite a bit of potential damage.

If it annoys me too much I might just go respec all my companions and buy decent staves (staff of the primal order). All i'm aiming for atm is to beat my mage playthrough time as it's embarrassing to lose to the crapper and less experienced version of 'the worse player' haha

If you're really impatient I could upload one of my runs for you to laugh at or alternatively you could try beat the minute mark with a warrior. (as it is, your best that I know of sits at 3minutes...)

And if I made it that big I might as well incorporate it properly..
Imagine big words across the top going "The Worse Player presents.." or maybe down the bottom "a Worse Player production".

haha I think that could work

Modifié par mr_afk, 19 mai 2011 - 11:05 .

[Jack-Nader]

mr_afk wrote...

Depends how you define 'boss' fights. For all the fights with one or two rogue/mage 'bosses' a S&S will be just as fast or faster than a rogue.

Incorrect

[mr_afk]

AreleX wrote...

I'm thinking 48...or maybe 54? The font size. For the text at the beginning of your videos, I mean.

Still waiting on your run, by the way.

I decided to respec etc. Just got 43 seconds and could have got faster.. 
I'll try it again. Maybe I'll be able to break the 40 barrier if I get a brittle-archer's lance in this time. 

I forgot to get poisons as well! :/
But as that would probably potentially cut down ~3-4seconds max I think I'll forget about it for now.

update: wooo, got 37, no archer's lance.
It's actually quite easy to get yourself down to next to no health and get ~500% damage off assaults. Paired with a hex of torment and you do some pretty serious damage.
I'll see if I can do better but I doubt it/need to sleep soon.

Modifié par mr_afk, 19 mai 2011 - 06:27 .

[Jack-Nader]

How much damage are you doing?

Hang on a minute.. you've been talking about the deep roads dragon and not night lies :S 

Modifié par Jack-Nader, 19 mai 2011 - 06:54 .

[mr_afk]

At almost dead+sacrificial frenzy+cleave but no hex of torment I was doing ~1000 each hit from assault. I saw 5 of these numbers (even though assault is only meant to do 3 hits).. So basically 5000 dmg. Each basic attack did ~400dmg. It died soon after that so I don't have too many other numbers to give you.

The ~half health+sacrificial frenzy+cleave+hex of torment also did ~1000 each hit.

I've respecced Varric into pure dps (as his archer's lance sucks atm) and will attempt to pull off an almost dead hex of torment. That should be interesting.


and yep, deep roads dragon. I gave up on night lies. I had a headache and it was making it worse so I just moved on. I did that templar thing outside the act of mercy quest pretty fast.
That's the great thing about my current build. Even things I'm not really trying to speed run are done really fast. I really like S&S warriors now. More than mages infact. Can't wait till I can setup disorient CCCs!

edit: I watched it again and saw 5 hits. Not sure what the deal is with that. Maybe each 'hit' uses both a sword and a shield like a DW?

Modifié par mr_afk, 19 mai 2011 - 07:00 .

[Jack-Nader]

Ahhh. I am almost finnished putting my deep roads dragon video together. Rogue does have a huge advantage over warrior in that fight. I think you will be suprised by just what it can do. I will wait until after you and Arelex have finnished your cat fight before giving him the link to post tho

[mr_afk]

Ahh! the potential! I managed to finally get in a proper almost dead combo and knocked the dragon to half health in just over 10seconds....before getting eaten <_<


If I manage to pull this off properly (e.g. almost dead for the whole fight) I might be even able to match Arelex's DW time!! Screw sleep, I'm going to figure this out!! ahaha


Edit: Eurghhh I give up. This is bulls***. The dragon hardly ever breathes fire when you want it to - and after going completely out of your way to get injured it suddenly starts doing stupid wing/force push abilities (which you can't dodge) which somehow deals a teeny bit of damage but enough to kill off my almost dead hawke. laaame.

Anyway, I'll go fix up one of my recordings (had several around the 40sec mark) and link it. I really need to sleep though.
Bleh, oh well, it's not like Arelex's 2H warrior can get close to that anyway. hahaha 

Modifié par mr_afk, 19 mai 2011 - 07:37 .

[SmokeyNinjas]

mr_afk wrote...

Eurghhh I give up. This is bulls***

Come on man you can do it! cut its ****ing head off!

[mr_afk]

Haha thanks..The hard part is cutting its head off in under 28secs. That requires somewhat unorthodox methods (i.e. half killing yourself) - and when the dragon doesn't want to participate properly or consistently it gets tougher..

Oh well, I'm pretty happy with 36secs:


It's just that I'm pretty sure that if I could still go faster..
Maybe I'll have another go in the future, but until Arelex gets under 3minutes for a warrior i'm pretty happy hahaha

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btw; probably not worthy of a new topic and I don't if there's a fun facts thread (though there really should be!), but if you use confusion on those golem statues in the deep roads they'll spring to life and start beating each other up/enable you to kill them.
As you can only cast confusion during combat i'm not sure if the 6 or so golems (probably critter rank based on health) will add anything to the xp gained.

It's just amusing to bring them to life/watch them beat up each other

Modifié par mr_afk, 20 mai 2011 - 02:14 .

[AreleX]

36 seconds? I'm disappointed in you.

[mr_afk]

Well, what can I say...I am the 'worse player' after all 


btw, it won't bother you if i beat your ARW time right?
Because it is a lot easier to beat it with S&S..
So i'm not sure if I can be bothered recording it (as that reduces half the fun.. )
I just did it ~2-3minutes with my unoptimised no maker's sighs party so am tempted to try it again with an optimised party.. actually what the hell, I'll try and beat Jack-Nader even though everybody knows that's impossible. haha

update: Did it in 1:26 first try. didn't feel or look very nice though so I'll see if I can cut it down some more (had a huge period of autoattacking before I realised I was out of stamina and that was why I wasn't able to assault it..)

Modifié par mr_afk, 20 mai 2011 - 09:56 .

[Catalol]

I just managed to do under 3 mins, guesstimate from looking at the save file time, with a Zerker Vanguard build vs the ARW, unintentionally lol. Only noticed that it was going pretty fast when he ended up skipping his 2nd phase! Though I didn't have enough sustained damage to drop him after the second explosion poop (sub 10% hp mark), and had to endure him do the whole explosion thing for a third time.

1:26 with a warrior is pretty hot

[Jack-Nader]

He is weak to spirit so you really should be able to pull a decent time. DW rogue will still be able to do it faster tho IMO. Best time i've gotten with a DW rogue is 54 seconds but it is very hit and miss in replicating. I am working on a method that is more guaranteed.

[Catalol]

Yeah, I was using a 2hd so no option for a spirit weap :<. Though I haven't tried a 3 ranged DW rogue setup yet I can imagine what you mean. Looking forward to hopefully seeing that vid once you get the method cracked down.

I imagine a 3 mage 1 archer setup would be pretty good too, if not one of the best?

[AreleX]

I'd most certainly hope you could beat the times I had on my first and second playthroughs of the game!

Edit: ESPECIALLY considering that you can have full electricity resistance as SnS, as well as a weapon that the ARW is weak to. However, this IS the worst player I am talking to...

Modifié par AreleX, 20 mai 2011 - 11:18 .

[mr_afk]

Oh my god my companions are retarded. I've lost track of the times I've told them to run away to a corner and they stand there basking in the damage. Anders is the worse. He'll casually do a martyr in the middle and get fried.

I've almost figured it out. Would have killed it sub-minute if I didn't suddenly lose the ability to target it..

Ah, finally: 53 seconds.
Once i should be able to get even faster once I don't take as long microing bethany for a bit.
I'll see if I can get faster
52. This is somewhat sucky.. I should be able to get even faster if my companions weren't as stupid. meh i'll try again

@Arelex hahaha yeah, pretty much. S&S is pretty much designed to kill the ARW. I managed to kill it after one weird blast thing. I'm thinking that I shouldn't have got such high electrical resistance as it's hard to get injured now but I think i've worked out a way around

Modifié par mr_afk, 20 mai 2011 - 11:25 .

[Jack-Nader]

If you're able to kill him in the first cooldown phase, which certainly sounds like that is what you are doing, then there is absolutely no reason your companions should be taking any damage at all.

[mr_afk]

After the first few hits it instantly warps to the middle and does the ray thing?
So that's approx...~10% or less of its heath?
So what I mean is that in the period after that phase I kill him so I still have to go through one ray..
And my companions are ridiculously glassy, especially anders. He has 115 health and vengeance on. So a few seconds in the open kills him. And as he casts a martyr and lags behind everyone else...

you see what I mean? haha. I'll try and crack the 50sec mark

[Jack-Nader]

Cooldown phase = him sitting in the middle of the map doing nothing but getting hit.

[mr_afk]

Ah okay. I wasn't sure what you meant.
My main problem is that I'm limited by the cooldowns of claymore and sacrificial frenzy. I seem to be hitting a ceiling at around 50seconds.. but I'll see if I do everything perfectly it'll work better..

Modifié par mr_afk, 20 mai 2011 - 11:39 .

[Jack-Nader]

tell me how you've specced your companions. I may be able to help you bleed some more DPS out of them.

[mr_afk]

Varric = full dex. 49dex 13cun
Atm he's dumping fatiguing fogs (which are pretty useless as it's not getting disoriented) so maybe I might respec him.

Bethany = full magic. 50mag, 16will
She's a debuffer (horror, hex of torment etc) and cold elemental. It's not as effective as I hoped as the debuffs wear off so fast but if I manage to get in an assault while it's hexed it does considerably more damage. I don't really think I can respec her as I've only got one maker's sigh on the nearest (viable) save. And i am not going through the deeproads again - done it three times on this playthrough haha.

Anders = pure magic, 54mag, 15will.
He's the haste buffer and cold elemental.

But yeah, the only thing I might do is spec Varric differently because atm he's doing crap all.
I'll try that now.

[Jack-Nader]

You're party sounds like it has been specced bad

Varric should be autoattacking only. Full specialist line for speed, blindside, nothing in the archer line, bianca, well oiled, nameless grace.

Bethany should NOT be casting anything other than winters grasp and hex of torment. Hex of torment last like 2 seconds on that ARW. It's actually better to have her haste + winters grasp +autoattack

Anders can be specced multiple ways. Either as a marty spamming caster or a clone of bethany's spec.

Sounds to me like breaking 50 seconds should be very doable for the S&S warrior, entirely due to its DLC spirit weapon. Remove the spirit weapon and it's a safe bet that s&s warrior's time would lag poorly. Actually that might be an interesting thing to test. Record an optimized video with and without the DLC and compare the two times.

[mr_afk]

Hey, it wasn't a 'bad' spec.as in varric still had all the relevant marksman and specialist abilities and was mainly autoattacking. the fog was in there because I was attempting to see if you could inflict statuses/CCCs on it then forgot about it.

Bethany and anders only really do that anyway. Do hastes stack? I would have thought theres no point having two..

and if you really want I could do it with desdemona's...but it'll really suck. 

Update: Yay, I got 50 exactly. I think i could have gone even faster though as I made another mistake. It's really annoying how if you move too close to it (while it's in cooldown) you can't target it properly.
I think I got 49....meh.

Modifié par mr_afk, 20 mai 2011 - 12:22 .