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[TheBlackBaron]

Is anybody else getting really sick of the superiority complexes and condescending attitude of the fanboys when it comes to CDR vs Bio?

[Paraxial]

hoorayforicecream wrote...
I've not played it myself

Should probably do that then.

Geralt is not meant to be a selfless character. Though there are quite a few selfless actions which he can perfom, they are limited compared to any game with a morality score. He demands payment for any duty he does to remain as neutral as he can. If it is percieved that he is a champion for poor humans, or non-humans it could cause a lot of trouble and unwanted attention from outside sources.

Lenimph wrote...
ORLY [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

Yes.

Modifié par Bible Doctor, 19 mai 2011 - 04:09 .

[hoorayforicecream]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Is anybody else getting really sick of the superiority complexes and condescending attitude of the fanboys when it comes to CDR vs Bio?

There is always a proper place for both fanboys and complainers. The place for fanboys is on their competitor's forums. The place for complainers is on their chosen game's official forums.

[88mphSlayer]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Bible Doctor wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...
Sorry. I think they encourage  people to embrace their inner ***hole. Better?

If the game 'encourages' you to do anything, it's to be neutral. Witchers are the epitome of 'True Neutral', they are meant to do their job and not meddle in the affairs of the common people or politics. Geralt is the exception to this as he has numerous ties with people that he shouldn't, still he is a Witcher and old habits die hard. The game more or less benefits a neutral point of view over any of the other two, trying to do the right thing will set you at odds with the people who can do the most to help you advance in life and health, and ignoring the common folk makes it difficult to function and pick up contracts. 

So no, I don't think it encourages people to be play 'evil' just because they don't give you the option to be a paragon of humanity.

Being an ***hole is not being evil. Being an ***hole is being extremely selfish to the point of potentially alienating others. Evil people can certainly be ***holes, but it doesn't require someone to be evil. I've not played it myself, but the reviews I've read have repeatedly stated how difficult it is to actually be selfless in the game. That certainly sounds like it is encouraging ***holery.

seriously dude, play the games before you start making judgments lol

[Mr.House]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Is anybody else getting really sick of the superiority complexes and condescending attitude of the fanboys when it comes to CDR vs Bio?

Yes.

[Zjarcal]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Is anybody else getting really sick of the superiority complexes and condescending attitude of the fanboys when it comes to CDR vs Bio?

There is always a proper place for both fanboys and complainers. The place for fanboys is on their competitor's forums. The place for complainers is on their chosen game's official forums.

THIS.

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[hoorayforicecream]

Bible Doctor wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...
I've not played it myself

Should probably do that then. Geralt is not meant to be a selfless character. Though there are quite a few selfless actions which he can perfom, they are limited compared to any game with a morality score. He demands payment for any duty he does to remain as neutral as he can. If it is percieved that he is a champion for poor humans, or non-humans it could cause a lot of trouble and unwanted attention from outside sources.

[hoorayforicecream]

88mphSlayer wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...
Sorry. I think they encourage  people to embrace their inner ***hole. Better?

seriously dude, play the games before you start making judgments lol

I see no judgments. I see a statement of opinion.

[naughty99]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Is anybody else getting really sick of the superiority complexes and condescending attitude of the fanboys when it comes to CDR vs Bio?

There is always a proper place for both fanboys and complainers. The place for fanboys is on their competitor's forums. The place for complainers ALL OF THE ABOVE is on their chosen game's official forums.

Fixed that for ya 

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Bible Doctor wrote...

DrunkDeadman wrote...
Sorry, but if a game is filled with a**hole characters just to show you how grimdark the world is without offering at least a few major characters to counter that be being fairly nice human beings then it is really hard to relate to those characters. Take Kratos for example, great character, I like him, but due to him being a giant phallus 95% of the time I find it a lot harder to connect to him on a deeper level than, say, Merrill. True, you can enjoy characters that aren't relatable, but not nearly as much as those that are.

Your opinion is not fact, it's important to keep that in mind. It's more difficult for some than it is for others.

I never said every single person in the game is an '****', you can be a bitter douche and still be a fairly decent person. Their personalities are cold because the world they are set in is meant to be horrid, if you don't like a 'horrid world' then that is your issue, don't read or play anything that is classified as dark fantasy. Because that is all it is.

Also implying that any of the characters in either of The Withcer games are as shallow and transparent as the Kratos from God of War is hilariously idiotic. Kratos isn't meant to be a deep characters, he is meant to be an icon for the blood and gore in the games which he 'stars' in. He is more of a fitting avatar than he is a character.

Oh boy, here we go.

Fairly decent people do not contain douches within their ranks by my definition. As a matter of fact, I do like dark fantasy and other genres, but being dark doesn't mean just 'bout everyone has to be cold, negative, and generally an ass. Even in the worst of times thare are positive people who are able and willing to help out and be nice to others.

NOR did I imply anything about Witcher characters being anything like Kratos. All I said, that characters who are giant anuses make it harder to enjoy them than those with nicer qualities. I'm speaking from my point of view, and I'm sure there are many people who agree on that. Also, Kratos is deeper than many think. He may not be as deep as Bioware characters but he's fairly deep alright. Far form the avatar you paint him as.

[TheBlackBaron]

I will say this, as far as the Witcher's writing goes - yeah, it's grimdark, CDR plays the Dark Fantasy label to the hilt. Anybody who more or less exclusively plays the sort of Paragon, Light Side, Lawful Good archetypes we've grown use to over the years of playing Bio RPGs is probably not going to like it, simply because those options aren't there. But they doesn't mean it's bad, or that it's not enjoyable, it's just different.

To use a comics example, Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns are all considerably darker and grittier than the Silver Age comics that preceded them, but they're widely considered among the greatest ever written.

[88mphSlayer]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...
Sorry. I think they encourage  people to embrace their inner ***hole. Better?

seriously dude, play the games before you start making judgments lol

I see no judgments. I see a statement of opinion.

an ignorant opinion <_<

[Paraxial]

DrunkDeadman wrote...
Fairly decent people do not contain douches within their ranks by my definition. 

Wat?

I would have responded to the rest of your post, but the way that you implied that Kratos was at all 'deep' and that you are such a big fan of the dark fantasy sub genre, irks me. So i'm not going to respond, no you win.

You win.

hoorayforicecream wrote...
I see no judgments. I see a statement of opinion.

You haven't played the game. You're basing your opinions on the opinions of others. Which is as ridiculous as it sounds. You're like the people who troll these forums and rag on DA2 without ever having played it, but instead read people raging about it on other forums.

Modifié par Bible Doctor, 19 mai 2011 - 04:23 .

[hoorayforicecream]

88mphSlayer wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...
Sorry. I think they encourage  people to embrace their inner ***hole. Better?

seriously dude, play the games before you start making judgments lol

I see no judgments. I see a statement of opinion.

an ignorant opinion <_<

Bible Doctor wrote...

You
haven't played the game. You're basing your opinions on the opinions of
others. Which is as ridiculous as it sounds. You're like the people who
troll these forums and rag on DA2 without ever having played it, but
instead read people raging about it on other forums.

You're right. I'm reading the same game reviews that thousands read in order to decide whether it's worth spending $50 to buy a game to decide whether to buy the game, and you're totally calling me on the fact that I haven't played it because I haven't decided to buy it yet. You totally got me. I got TOLD. Damn, you should totally go tell everyone that game reviews are a load of crap and you shouldn't listen to them at all. You could enlighten them just like you enlightened me.

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 19 mai 2011 - 04:23 .

[88mphSlayer]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...
Sorry. I think they encourage  people to embrace their inner ***hole. Better?

seriously dude, play the games before you start making judgments lol

I see no judgments. I see a statement of opinion.

an ignorant opinion <_<

hours spent playing DAO: 141
hours spent playing DA2: 90
hours spent playing TW1: 56
hours spent playing TW2: 8-9

getting called ignorant: priceless 

[Paraxial]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

You're right. I'm reading the same game reviews that thousands read in order to decide whether it's worth spending $50 to buy a game to decide whether to buy the game, and you're totally calling me on the fact that I haven't played it because I haven't decided to buy it yet. You totally got me. I got TOLD. Damn, you should totally go tell everyone that game reviews are a load of crap and you shouldn't listen to them at all. You could enlighten them just like you enlightened me.

You certainly shouldn't form your personal opinions based on them, and only them.

88mphSlayer wrote...

hours spent playing TW2: 8-9

How far are you in with eight hours clocked? I'm still in Chapter one. Game is ****ing huge.

Modifié par Bible Doctor, 19 mai 2011 - 04:28 .

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

You know what, I ain't gonna bother to respond further either. Since "deeper than you think" is "ALL DEEP" nowadays and I'm "such a big fan of dark fantasy" due to just mentioning LIKING it...

Selective reading at it's best.

Modifié par DrunkDeadman, 19 mai 2011 - 04:27 .

[88mphSlayer]

Bible Doctor wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

You're right. I'm reading the same game reviews that thousands read in order to decide whether it's worth spending $50 to buy a game to decide whether to buy the game, and you're totally calling me on the fact that I haven't played it because I haven't decided to buy it yet. You totally got me. I got TOLD. Damn, you should totally go tell everyone that game reviews are a load of crap and you shouldn't listen to them at all. You could enlighten them just like you enlightened me.

You certainly shouldn't form your personal opinions based on them, and only them.

88mphSlayer wrote...

hours spent playing TW2: 8-9

How far are you in with eight hours clocked? I'm still in Chapter one. Game is ****ing huge.

Chapter 1, and yeah the prologue was completely over the top and enormous compared to the first game

[Anathemic]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Being an ***hole is not being evil. Being an ***hole is being extremely selfish to the point of potentially alienating others. Evil people can certainly be ***holes, but it doesn't require someone to be evil. I've not played it myself, but the reviews I've read have repeatedly stated how difficult it is to actually be selfless in the game. That certainly sounds like it is encouraging ***holery.

Wait what?

Did the concept of dark fantasy escape you? In the dark fantasy genre it lives on deriving from gritty, dark, harsh, and cruel realism that we see in specific time periods, in TW2's case the medieval period.

And as derving heavily from the realism of the medieval period, the game is obviously going to incorpoate said elements, such as ****ness, corruption, abuse, etc.

It's like your essentially blaming TW2 for having dark fantasy elements, when it's in the dark fantasy genre...

[KnightofPhoenix]

I personally don't really understand consumer loyalty to anything except quality and their money being put to good use. So I am not really "loyal" to Bioware, nor to Cd projekt, nor to any other company. I am loyal to my wallet. So I was never in Bioware's arms for me to feel I was abandoned.

With that in mind, I welcome the rise of new RPG companies that are going to bring in competition. Competition is generally positive and Bioware (EA) needs to understand that if it's going to thrive, it needs to up the quality and devote resources and development time properly (cuts in funding to make a quick buck, while profitable in the short run, is not a wise long term policy).

I welcome The Witcher 2 as a new (and pretty strong) competitor, and I'll have to wait till I finish it to decide if it beats DA2 (it's very promising for now).

And at the end of the day, I think there is only one winner I care about. Myself.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 19 mai 2011 - 04:35 .

[upsettingshorts]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Is anybody else getting really sick of the superiority complexes and condescending attitude of the fanboys when it comes to CDR vs Bio?

Yes.  From both sides.  They're games, and CDP and BioWare are not playing each other in the semifinal of cRPG Developer League Playoffs with the winner going on to play the victor of Bethesda vs. Eidos Montreal in the final.

[Zanallen]

To bring this back on track...

No, I don't think CDProject is the go to company right now. At least, not for me. I played the first Witcher. It was alright, but I got bored about halfway through and haven't bothered to play it again. Been about a year now. The sequel interests me, but my video card can't handle it and I don't feel like throwing down cash for a new card and a game. So...I suppose I'll keep playing console RPGs for now. Good thing Bioware makes those.

[Paraxial]

88mphSlayer wrote...

Chapter 1, and yeah the prologue was completely over the top and enormous compared to the first game

I'm interested to see how the 16 endings differ from one another, and how your imported game actually changes how the world reacts to you. Already saw one with Foltest.

Modifié par Bible Doctor, 19 mai 2011 - 04:45 .

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Ringo12 wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

Sure if you 1

Worship the Witcher like its a damn religion.

and two,

Are a heavy PC gamer with a superiority complex.

So yeah I guess so, go post there, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

^ u mad bro

he mad.

insulting PC gamers is just as stupid as venting your frustration on consolites.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

Sure if you 1

Worship the Witcher like its a damn religion.

and two,

Are a heavy PC gamer with a superiority complex.

So yeah I guess so, go post there, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

^ u mad bro

If I were I would not be posting as the streets would run red >>

Just sick of all the threads for it now, and from before. Some of you act like its some sort of religious book, when its a game that minus a handful no one will touch in 5 years.Dispite all the other good games coming out not hardly ONE thread is up about those. Its a smear not a "Oh I really like this game" type of deal. I'm honestly surpised I haven't seen anyone compairing it to sex, or happy events irl. Or maybe they have I've decided to avoid the witcher thread, so dunno.

How much sex are we talking about?