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[JabbaDaHutt30]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally don't really understand consumer loyalty to anything except quality and their money being put to good use. So I am not really "loyal" to Bioware, nor to Cd projekt, nor to any other company. I am loyal to my wallet. So I was never in Bioware's arms for me to feel I was abandoned.

With that in mind, I welcome the rise of new RPG companies that are going to bring in competition. Competition is generally positive and Bioware (EA) needs to understand that if it's going to thrive, it needs to up the quality and devote resources and development time properly (cuts in funding to make a quick buck, while profitable in the short run, is not a wise long term policy).

I welcome The Witcher 2 as a new (and pretty strong) competitor, and I'll have to wait till I finish it to decide if it beats DA2 (it's very promising for now).

And at the end of the day, I think there is only one winner I care about. Myself.

I think most are strictly referring to quality.

[Anathemic]

Zanallen wrote...

To bring this back on track...

No, I don't think CDProject is the go to company right now. At least, not for me. I played the first Witcher. It was alright, but I got bored about halfway through and haven't bothered to play it again. Been about a year now. The sequel interests me, but my video card can't handle it and I don't feel like throwing down cash for a new card and a game. So...I suppose I'll keep playing console RPGs for now. Good thing Bioware makes those.

I believe CDPR has good future ahead of them. And what's the deal with people not willing to spend money on their rig? It's not that expensive. Around 600-700 at most, not the 1000+ everyone's saying.

And besides, you don't need to cole multiplatform or console-only to be a successful in the gaming industry. Example 1: Blizzard Entertainment.

[KnightofPhoenix]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally don't really understand consumer loyalty to anything except quality and their money being put to good use. So I am not really "loyal" to Bioware, nor to Cd projekt, nor to any other company. I am loyal to my wallet. So I was never in Bioware's arms for me to feel I was abandoned.

With that in mind, I welcome the rise of new RPG companies that are going to bring in competition. Competition is generally positive and Bioware (EA) needs to understand that if it's going to thrive, it needs to up the quality and devote resources and development time properly (cuts in funding to make a quick buck, while profitable in the short run, is not a wise long term policy).

I welcome The Witcher 2 as a new (and pretty strong) competitor, and I'll have to wait till I finish it to decide if it beats DA2 (it's very promising for now).

And at the end of the day, I think there is only one winner I care about. Myself.

I think most are strictly referring to quality.

I am starting to doubt that. On both sides.

[addiction21]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Yes.  From both sides.  They're games, and CDP and BioWare are not playing each other in the semifinal of cRPG Developer League Playoffs with the winner going on to play the victor of Bethesda vs. Eidos Montreal in the final.

I'd pay good money to see this... maybe a single elimination rugby tourny.

[Zanallen]

Anathemic wrote...

I believe CDPR has good future ahead of them. And what's the deal with people not willing to spend money on their rig? It's not that expensive. Around 600-700 at most, not the 1000+ everyone's saying.

And besides, you don't need to cole multiplatform or console-only to be a successful in the gaming industry. Example 1: Blizzard Entertainment.

I'm sure CDPR is doing fine and will continue to do fine in the near future. I just didn't much like the Witcher 1 and I am not willing to spend money to upgrade my video card just to play the sequel. My current job pays slightly more than minimum and I have to worry about paying for nursing school in a few months. Six or seven hundred dollars for a gaming rig isn't in my budget. A hundred bucks for a new graphics card while relying on my AMD Phenom 8400 Triple-Core and my 6 GB of ram isn't really in my budget. Not if I have to shell out another 50 bucks or so for the game.

Also, using Blizzard as an example isn't terribly accurate since real time strategy games are terrible on the console and Blizzard's big money comes from WoW.

[Boiny Bunny]

I view Bioware as a lifetime favorite. A company whose games I've loved since the very first. One exceptionally average release (DA2) is not going to destroy my relationship with Bioware - just tarnish it a little.

It's kind of like being the kid who always gets A+ at school, then one day gets a C- and doesn't know how to deal with it - even though it's hardly the end of the world as far as that kid's academics are concerned.

CDPR on the other hand, to me, are currently a glittering pot of unbelievable potential. A smallish European company which isn't utterly corrupted by corporate greed? A business plan that revolves around making money through extremely high quality games rather than the bare minimum? Distaste for heavy handed DRM?

But, all of that potential could go to waste. All it would take is one or two greedy individuals willing to accept hefty payments to allow a company like EA or Activision to buy CDPR out - and if that ever happens - it's all over. Zero interest.

I would have lost all interest in Bioware already had they not held my attention for so long.

I can only hope that they learn from DA2, and that ME3 is a truly fitting epic finale to the trilogy.

[TheBlackBaron]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Is anybody else getting really sick of the superiority complexes and condescending attitude of the fanboys when it comes to CDR vs Bio?

Yes.  From both sides.  They're games, and CDP and BioWare are not playing each other in the semifinal of cRPG Developer League Playoffs with the winner going on to play the victor of Bethesda vs. Eidos Montreal in the final.

Although, when you think about it, CDPR vs Bio is kind of reminiscent of Mavericks vs Thunder in the WCF...

Anathemic wrote...

I believe CDPR has good future ahead of them. And what's the deal with people not willing to spend money on their rig? It's not that expensive. Around 600-700 at most, not the 1000+ everyone's saying.

And besides, you don't need to cole multiplatform or console-only to be a successful in the gaming industry. Example 1: Blizzard Entertainment.

Well, it depends. If you know what you're doing and are prepared to build a PC from scratch, you can get some damned good components and still land in the $600-$800 area. But not everybody has the time or the knowhow to do so, and buying similar components in a retail pre-made is going to get you close to the $1000 dollar range. 

And, of course, to hear some PC gamers talk, if you aren't running an Intel Core i7-990X with dual GeForce GTX 590s at 1920x1080 resolution, you're no better than some console-playing retard. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 19 mai 2011 - 05:00 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Anathemic wrote...

I believe CDPR has good future ahead of them. And what's the deal with people not willing to spend money on their rig? It's not that expensive. Around 600-700 at most, not the 1000+ everyone's saying.

And besides, you don't need to cole multiplatform or console-only to be a successful in the gaming industry. Example 1: Blizzard Entertainment.

Blizzard isn't the best example to bring up after complaining about people not being willing to upgrade. All of Blizzard's games are extensively tested to be playable and fun on older computers. They purposely develop with this in mind so that they can be as inclusive as possible to people without the latest and greatest hardware.

[Romantiq]

I still enjoy their mass effect games/dlcs and I might give TOR a shot if I will have time, but I do see that their quality standards is decreasing quite rapidly. Dragon Age continuations are probably dead to me unless they make great improvements and a more complicated overall RPG experience.

Don't really see anything special about the writing in BioWare perhaps its because I read actual good literature so I don't know why everyone is always saying that bioware's writting is zomgsogood. Yeah its quite fine for their games but its definitely far from superb.

CD Project Red have only made two games so far and both of them exceeded my expectations. I am defintely  going to support them. My only regret about Witcher 2 is that I paid them lousy $44.99 instead of $59.99 because this game deserves it and even more.

Modifié par Romantiq, 19 mai 2011 - 05:15 .

[Merci357]

Well, no, not for me. But then again, neither is BioWare, Obsidian, Bethesda or Eidos Montreal.

Honestly, gaming is just a hobby for me, and no reason to start a holy war on any developer that happens to miss my personal expectations. So I'm quite happy there are a few developers out there that try their hands on AAA RPG games. Variety as well as competition is a good thing in my book. TW2 is a great game, no doubt, and I'm enjoying it right now - but I'm looking forward to Deus Ex, Skyrim and ME3.

[Maria Caliban]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Is cd projekt welcoming Bioware fans who have been thrown away with open arms?

"BioWare fans" are a very small minority of people who buy BioWare games. The average purchaser is an RPG fan who'll buy whatever catches their interest.

What most people don't understand is that popular, single-player RPGs don't compete with one another. Enjoying the Witcher 2 makes someone more likely to pick up Mass Effect 3 or Skyrim or Dues Ex, not less.

[Maria Caliban]

Anathemic wrote...

It's like your essentially blaming TW2 for having dark fantasy elements, when it's in the dark fantasy genre...

She's saying that she doesn't like those dark fantasy elements and so has chosen to not pick up the game.

I don't like horror. Saw has a ton of horror elements. I've never watched Saw and I never will, but I know about these elements from the reviews I've read. Can I criticize the film for these horror elements? Yes. I find them sadistic and perverse.

First scene: A woman wakes up with a device locked on her face. She receives a phone call telling her the mask is going to explode in 15 minutes. The key to the mask is inside her boyfriend's stomach; if she wants it, she has to cut it out of him.

That's horribly ****ed up. I don't care if I'm criticizing Saw for the horror element. To me, that's a red flag that makes me go, 'No, never in a hundred years would I see this film.'

[Clover Rider]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

It's like your essentially blaming TW2 for having dark fantasy elements, when it's in the dark fantasy genre...

She's saying that she doesn't like those dark fantasy elements and so has chosen to not pick up the game.

I don't like horror. Saw has a ton of horror elements. I've never watched Saw and I never will, but I know about these elements from the reviews I've read. Can I criticize the film for these horror elements? Yes. I find them sadistic and perverse.

First scene: A woman wakes up with a device locked on her face. She receives a phone call telling her the mask is going to explode in 15 minutes. The key to the mask is inside her boyfriend's stomach; if she wants it, she has to cut it out of him.

That's horribly ****ed up. I don't care if I'm criticizing Saw for the horror element. To me, that's a red flag that makes me go, 'No, never in a hundred years would I see this film.'

In that scene it was not the girl's boyfrirnd but some fat guy if it is the first Saw you are taking about I have not seen anything past 5.

[DragonRageGT]

Screw all this! CDPR gave us a truly EPIC game and that's their merit and has nothing to do with Bioware. I've said only good things about Bioware and its games in so many gaming forums and official ones too that I can't remember.

I've always loved their games and had a great time with them, my 5 years online with NWN in some PW's were awesome! When some people bashed Origins in Gothic/Risen forums I was there to defend the game and some actually tried and liked the game after that. If people say **** about BW games in TW official forum I'll surely step in and throw my two cents.

Now, the problem is that Bioware is no longer the same company as I've know for many years. They're now part of a big comporation where some decisions are made by people that knows nothing about games and might not even enjoy them. All they enjoy is the smile of the stockholders, no matter what. And they really showed their teeth in DA2!

Many years from now, Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age Origins and The Witcher 2 will still be remembered. TW2 is setting a new standard for PC and RPG games! Action game my ass. That is RPG at its finest!

88mphSlayer wrote...

hours spent playing DAO: 141
hours spent playing DA2: 90
hours spent playing TW1: 56
hours spent playing TW2: 8-9

getting called ignorant: priceless {smilie}

Here's mine: =)

hours spent playing DAO: over 2,000
hours spent playing DA2: around 300
hours spent playing TW1: over 500
hours spent playing TW2: around 20 and I safely predict another 2,000 at least!

Plus

hours spent playing TES4:over 1,000
hours spent playing ME1: over 500
hours spent playing ME2: over 500

[GodWood]

I've yet to bother with the Witcher series but from what I've gathered its got:
~ A set protaganist
~ A voiced protaganist
~ Actiony combat

Now I'm sure I would more than likely enjoy it for what it is but its hardly where I'd look to get my "RPG fix"

Or at least that's the impression I've been given.

[DragonRageGT]

GodWood wrote...

I've yet to bother with the Witcher series but from what I've gathered its got:
~ A set protaganist
~ A voiced protaganist
~ Actiony combat

Now I'm sure I would more than likely enjoy it for what it is but its hardly where I'd look to get my "RPG fix"

Or at least that's the impression I've been given.

This might help you. Very solid review.

http://www.rockpaper...ssins-of-kings/

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

GodWood wrote...

I've yet to bother with the Witcher series but from what I've gathered its got:
~ A set protaganist
~ A voiced protaganist
~ Actiony combat

Now I'm sure I would more than likely enjoy it for what it is but its hardly where I'd look to get my "RPG fix"

Or at least that's the impression I've been given.

It's not as good a roleplaying game as say Origins, especially in terms of creating your character, but it is a very fine Action RPG. Best I've played in years. It's still roleplay-able. Right now, I'm roleplaying Geralt as someone who's not willing to make a big splash. First and foremost is regaining his memory, hence, he tries to be diplomatic ( Axii) and neutral whenever he can.

In terms of a "pure" RPG fix, alas Witcher 2 does not provide in the same way that Origins did. But it's like everything it aims to do (cinematic, choice and consequence, shaping Geralt, challenging and tactical Action combat, etc), it does superbly well.

Maybe the shine will wear off eventually, but I'm really digging it so far.

Now as for the greater DA2/W2 debate. I don't care. I am an RPG fan. I was disappointed with Dragon Age 2 and extremely pleased with Witcher 2. If Bioware's next games are going to be games that I'd enjoy, they will get my money. Same for CDProjekt.

I don't pass on a good game simply because it's from a company which I'm not supposed to like and I don't buy a game I wouldn't like just because it's from my favourite company.

I like RPGs and will continue to buy good ones according to my own tastes. No more, no less.

[Shirosaki17]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

It's like your essentially blaming TW2 for having dark fantasy elements, when it's in the dark fantasy genre...

She's saying that she doesn't like those dark fantasy elements and so has chosen to not pick up the game.

I don't like horror. Saw has a ton of horror elements. I've never watched Saw and I never will, but I know about these elements from the reviews I've read. Can I criticize the film for these horror elements? Yes. I find them sadistic and perverse.

First scene: A woman wakes up with a device locked on her face. She receives a phone call telling her the mask is going to explode in 15 minutes. The key to the mask is inside her boyfriend's stomach; if she wants it, she has to cut it out of him.

That's horribly ****ed up. I don't care if I'm criticizing Saw for the horror element. To me, that's a red flag that makes me go, 'No, never in a hundred years would I see this film.'

And this is the problem with criticizing things like this. You make a negative comment about a movie that you never saw and that is wrong. The girl was also told the guy she cut into was already dead, but he was just heavily sedated.

It's ok not to like a certain genre or something. Just don't expect people to care what you think or want to hear you speak on the subject when they are talking about liking or disliking something they've experienced.

Example: If I make a thread in off topic for people to discuss horror movies they like and don't like, do you really think I'll care or that it will add to the discussion to make a reply that essentially says you don't like the horror genre?

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 19 mai 2011 - 07:28 .

[Milana_Saros]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Example: If I make a thread in off topic for people to discuss horror movies they like and don't like, do you really think I'll care or that it will add to the discussion to make a reply that essentially says you don't like the horror genre?

An excellent point. One likes apples, the other likes oranges. Why fight about it is beyond me.

I'm getting really jaded towards all this Witcher 2 hyping and bull but since this thread seems at least half-intelligent about the issue, here's my 2 cents:

I'm company loyal in the manner of putting my money on a product that interests me and is nearly quaranteed quality. It's my choice to put the money on a product of my choosing. I buy Bioware games cos' I've played Baldur's Gate in the 90's and I love RPGS. Just as well I've bought Blizzard products, Bethesda products, Gas Powered Games products and of course, CD Projekts Witcher games. Because they are RPGs. And because these games have been on the scale of excellet-decent quality. It really is that simple.

If I started zealoting on a specific company and refusing to buy Bioware's game cos DA2 was a let down...hell, I would sure have far less games to play. It's like shooting yourself on the leg.

As for gaming hours...I played Morrowind for 3 years. So Bethesda wins? Pffffft.

[Corto81]

I don't know if CD Projekt is going to be THE company for RPG fans, but right now, I'm cheering for them.

Along with Origins, TW2 is easily the best RPG I've played in the last 7-8 years.
And much like Origins, you can see the passion the devs worked with, how much love was put into this game.
They set out to make a great game and make money as a bonus. Much like BW and Origins.
And so unlike DA2, which feels it was made to milk some money ouf of the franchise. Gameplay came as an afterthought.

I'm about 10 hours in into Witcher 2, and so far it's been sensational. The attention to detail is mindnumbing.

Couple with the fact the CD won't milk you for 5$ so that you can have a green and not a dark green armor?

Yeah, they've got my attention.
Also, Witcher 2 is also proof you CAN combine action combat and still, at the very core, make a proper RPG
(I'd prefer my own toon and companions, BW-style... But I can easily live without it seeing how much I'm enjoying everything else.).

The ball is in BW's court now.
Depeding on how Skyrim does, they'll have to put out a hell of a game for DA3, and not a half-assed product like DA2 to stay and not lose a share of the RPG market.

...

Bottom line... 
Witcher's getting hyped, yeah.
But mostly because the game was so obviously done with passion and love and dedication and thinking of player-first... In a market where most big companies put out half-finished products and milk away your money via meaningless DLCs.

Modifié par Corto81, 19 mai 2011 - 08:03 .

[JoHnDoE14]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

Not for me. The Witcher doesn't have 3 major things I enjoy about Bioware.

1) Having the ability to create your own PC.
2) The companions.
3) The writing. Inb4 "I want a sandwitch."

Simply put, this.

[lobi]

RageGT wrote...

lotsa stuff and

88mphSlayer wrote...

hours spent playing DAO: 141
hours spent playing DA2: 90
hours spent playing TW1: 56
hours spent playing TW2: 8-9

getting called ignorant: priceless {smilie}

Here's mine: =)

hours spent playing DAO: over 2,000
hours spent playing DA2: around 300
hours spent playing TW1: over 500
hours spent playing TW2: around 20 and I safely predict another 2,000 at least!

Plus
hours spent playing TES4:over 1,000
hours spent playing ME1: over 500
hours spent playing ME2: over 500

I ate a chicken sandwich yesterday. I put mustard on it. Adventurous I  am. Took me 5 minutes including crafting.

Modifié par lobi, 19 mai 2011 - 08:37 .

[lobi]

I was very hungry.

[Fishy]

88mphSlayer wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Absolutely not. I haven't played either Witcher game, but while I'm sure they're great at what they are, the simple truth is that they're much more action-RPGs than DAII could ever be. Every complaint people have thrown at how DAII changed from Origins is even more true of the Witcher. The difference is just that that's what people expect from the Witcher.

ehm... except for that part where the witcher lets you have more say in the story itself, and how the witcher 2 basically works off of everything the first witcher did well rather than throwing almost everything out and starting over like DA2 did

So you prefeer rpg with pre-made character(Geralt)  , no class , no character builder ,no tactical view , no different gender , 2 type of weapon (sword and sword) and 3-4 type of armor . QTE in RPG and fighting a la heavy rain?
Press w ... good press d .. good !!!I Those cutscene are awesome!

Gerald can't be homosexual either.Triss only. So much hypocrisy right here.I could continue but man ... I`m not a troll.
All the QQ'ING about the voice over in DA2 .. Oh come on.

Gamer  that really appreciated the first Witcher  in 2007  did not cry and spam .
Why are any developper going to take you seriously?

The graphic are nice and so are the spec .I really doubt they will sell  more copies than DA2 .
The Witcher2  seem to have a lot technical problem . Gamer don't want their new I7 2600  crash after 1 hours .

The witcher 2 it's a nice game but i smell hypocrisy.

Modifié par Suprez30, 19 mai 2011 - 09:32 .

[DragonRageGT]

Suprez30 wrote...

So you prefeer rpg with pre-made character(Geralt)  , no class , no character builder ,no tactical view , no different gender , 2 type of weapon (sword and sword) and 3-4 type of armor . QTE in RPG and fighting a la heavy rain?
Press w ... good press d .. good !!!I Those cutscene are awesome!

Gerald can't be homosexual either.Triss only. So much hypocrisy right here.I could continue but man ... I`m not a troll.
All the QQ'ING about the voice over in DA2 .. Oh come on.

Gamer  that really appreciated the first Witcher  in 2007  did not cry and spam .
Why are any developper going to take you seriously?

The graphic are nice and so are the spec .I really doubt they will sell  more copies than DA2 .
The Witcher2  seem to have a lot technical problem . Gamer don't want their new I7 2600  crash after 1 hours .

The witcher 2 it's a nice game but i smell hypocrisy.

Where exactly is the tactical view in DA2? Removed to save time and money for the devs? The Witcher has 3 classes, very well defined, very specific builds and QTE for mini games are just fun!

And frak it if he's not an homosexual or a woman! That's like wanting to play a female Frodo or a gay Aragorn in a Lotr based RPG!

I have no doubt TW2 will sell a lot more than DA2 over the course of their existence. TW2, DAO and a few others will still be available for sale and selling when the matrix gold dvd of DA2 is already burnt to ashes!

I had no technical problem with my DRM FREE, DLC FREE edition of The Witcher 2 whatsoever and even with my under spec GPU (GF 9600GT) I can run the game on medium-high quality with excellent performance. (Sure, my 2yrs old quad core, 8GB RAM and win7 Ultimate 64-bit helps. Now I can spend only some 150 bucks and run it on maximum settings!) and I had no crash at all after many hours playing... quite different from DA2 where I crash every 5 minutes after freezing and needing control-alt-del to bring taskman.exe up and end the faulty process!

Modifié par RageGT, 19 mai 2011 - 09:55 .