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[Grumpy young man]

I've played the first one and its appeal is of a different sort than the Bioware's products, by that meaning no company style gameplay for that feeling of fluidity. I don't judge but at least I'm hopeful that TW2 will be a serious wake up call for Bioware, more so if the mega milking cow of TOR flops.

*imagines DA dev team as heavy alcoholics stumbling through streets of Edmonton cursing everything Polish.

[Shallina]

TW2 is everything a Modern 3D RPG should be, it's really awesome. They didn't compromise on any thing.

DA2 is a full letdown.

TW2 is PC only they didn't bother with any consol restriction and it's showing hard next to DA2.

Let's hope Bioware react and make ME3 even more awesome than TW2.

TW2 give you a idea of what the DA serie could have been if they made those game without streamlining or console in mind.

Competition is a good thing, but with TW2, CDPROJECT took the crowd of the RPG king, now it's up to BIOWARE to take it back with ME3.

But Awakening, the last ME2 DLC arrival, and DA2 are clearly not worth the glory of a AAA product.

Well if BIOWARE don't fight back for quality and continue to sink, at last there is still someone making really good RPG.

But what i'd love is to have Bioware to get back on their feet, and release future RPG game that would improve the genre, and not half assed and full bugged game like DA2, and Awakening.

That would awesome to have more compagnie that does awesome RPG games, instead of having 1 or 2 awesome game every 3 years, we could have 3 or 4.

The rise of cdproject is great, let's hope that Bioware didn't sunk, and that Awakening and DA2 were only accident.

Modifié par Shallina, 19 mai 2011 - 10:05 .

[Maladismal]

Suprez30 wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Absolutely not. I haven't played either Witcher game, but while I'm sure they're great at what they are, the simple truth is that they're much more action-RPGs than DAII could ever be. Every complaint people have thrown at how DAII changed from Origins is even more true of the Witcher. The difference is just that that's what people expect from the Witcher.

ehm... except for that part where the witcher lets you have more say in the story itself, and how the witcher 2 basically works off of everything the first witcher did well rather than throwing almost everything out and starting over like DA2 did

So you prefeer rpg with pre-made character(Geralt)  , no class , no character builder ,no tactical view , no different gender , 2 type of weapon (sword and sword) and 3-4 type of armor . QTE in RPG and fighting a la heavy rain?
Press w ... good press d .. good !!!I Those cutscene are awesome!

Gerald can't be homosexual either.Triss only. So much hypocrisy right here.I could continue but man ... I`m not a troll.
All the QQ'ING about the voice over in DA2 .. Oh come on.

Gamer  that really appreciated the first Witcher  in 2007  did not cry and spam .
Why are any developper going to take you seriously?

The graphic are nice and so are the spec .I really doubt they will sell  more copies than DA2 .
The Witcher2  seem to have a lot technical problem . Gamer don't want their new I7 2600  crash after 1 hours .

The witcher 2 it's a nice game but i smell hypocrisy.

Because My female mage hawke totally seduced Cullen to keep him from trying to imprison her when he noticed she was a mage?

Or that my warrior male hawke decided to join the Qun when the arishock rebelled?

Oh wait, the game plays out almost identically regardless what you play, how you play, or what choices you make.



He wasn't being hypocrital. You on the other hand were being ignorant.

[Drake Sigar]

I thought that mantel passed to Bethesda, but it depends if you’re the kind of RPG fan who prefers total freeform over a linear narrative. Don’t forget Piranha Bytes! They’re still in the game despite suffering major setbacks and having their premium franchise pinched. Maybe Radon Labs will come back with another Drakensang. Cyanide studios have their fingers in a few pies, their rebellious tale ‘Of Orcs and Men’ has an interesting premise (although it’s rather close to Warcraft lore). We’ve also got a smattering of independent titles coming which are set to take RPGs all the way back to their isometric roots. Dead State for example.

Yep, it’s a good time to be an RPG Gamer. I half expect Troika to rise from the dead and start cleaning house.

Modifié par Drake Sigar, 19 mai 2011 - 10:16 .

[Deathwurm]

I think it's premature to dub CDProjeckt as the new "savior" of RPG Fans.
They have a total of ONE successful IP at this point. They produce one bad Game and they'll be on the "Hate List" along with many other Companies.
I think if they deserve high praise right now for anything, it's GoG.com, they are doing a great service to Fans and the Industry by re-introducing Games at such low prices.
I think CD has a lot of potential, but as of now it's only potential.

[Rockworm503]

I'm washing my hands of all of this (not that I was involved that much). I by no means am defending DA2 but this whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. There was a point where I was somewhat interested. Even bought Witcher 1 enhanced off steam not too long ago. Could not get it to work right and the tiny moments when it did the combat felt retarded and pissed me off. Enjoy Witcher 2 I hope its better than sex as you all seem to think it should.

[Seagloom]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally don't really understand consumer loyalty to anything except quality and their money being put to good use. So I am not really "loyal" to Bioware, nor to Cd projekt, nor to any other company. I am loyal to my wallet. So I was never in Bioware's arms for me to feel I was abandoned.

And at the end of the day, I think there is only one winner I care about. Myself.

I buy any good RPG that fits my criteria. BioWare just happened to be one of the few companies to consistently impress me with their past work. There are precious few worthwhile PC RPG releases to be snobbish about where they originated from. If CDPR makes BioWare employees decide to step up their game with future releases, then I benefit. If CDPR takes their place and inspires a smaller developer to create an oustanding game, I benefit.

What matters is not who sits in the big chair, but what they can do to entertain me. Gaming is a hobby that is best enjoyed with a mercenary attitude. Loyalty to a brand or developer is a needless self imposed limitation.

[HoonDing]

Drake Sigar wrote...

Don’t forget Piranha Bytes! They’re still in the game despite suffering major setbacks and having their premium franchise pinched.

Piranha Bytes got the Gothic license back from JoWood now. They also seem to be doing pretty well for themselves, considering Risen 2 is in the works. 

Modifié par virumor, 19 mai 2011 - 11:57 .

[Mercuron]

I've been following TW2 for awhile now and I'm pretty impressed by what I've seen so far, so I plan to pick it up once it gets released in the local brick and mortar store where I live.

That said, while CDP may be the golden boy of RPG developers according to some, I'll wait and see what their future releases are like before I ascribe them the same status BioWare has widely held pre-DA2. I like to see studios last long enough to produce a range of successful titles before anyone proclaims 'the crown' is theirs.

Also, it doesn't do the Witcher 2 any favours if you think DA2 was awful and then go on to use it as a short yardstick that you measure off TW2's virtues against. It just makes it look like you're creating as big a perceived quality gap as you can in order to exaggerate TW2's good features - as if to say that they wouldn't be as good in isolation, or contrasted with a game you respect. Surely the game deserves more respect from one than that?

[Vanaer]

Perhaps I'm not hardcore enough, but the Witcher 2 didn't really impress me. Neither did DA2 for that matter. So no... I'm kind of anxious for ME3 though, I've had enough of the Middle Aged fantasy ****. Perhaps that's my problem with the Witcher... it just doesn't really feel grabbing me by the throat.

[xCirdanx]

If they can stay true to their fanbase, yes. They seem to just love RPGs. And want to do the best for the fans of that genre. Unlike...some others...who are more interested into getting new, non-rpg fans into their customer base.

I don´t think they are done now with the witcher, a third part is very possible. What i really would like to see is a party based RPG from them, maybe even in the D&D setting. They love these kind of games and Atari is their publisher. It could be possible.

However, it´s also possible that Dragon Age 3, which i think they will make, could be a great game, but i have doubts considering they lead of DA2 and the engine and movie-like presentation. I doubt they will go aways from this.

[veramis]

From what I've seen, witcher 2 delivers a good story, and that's all I care about in a game. Don't really see the reason in comparing da2 vs witcher 2, or cdpr vs bioware.

Speculating on the quality of future games is pointless. Many things can change in the long periods between game releases, and CDPR is ultimately at the mercy of its investors, just as BW is at the mercy of EA. If the investors were to say to dumb down the game and cater to a larger market, that is exactly what CDPR will do or else they will lose their investors.

[88mphSlayer]

Suprez30 wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Absolutely not. I haven't played either Witcher game, but while I'm sure they're great at what they are, the simple truth is that they're much more action-RPGs than DAII could ever be. Every complaint people have thrown at how DAII changed from Origins is even more true of the Witcher. The difference is just that that's what people expect from the Witcher.

ehm... except for that part where the witcher lets you have more say in the story itself, and how the witcher 2 basically works off of everything the first witcher did well rather than throwing almost everything out and starting over like DA2 did

So you prefeer rpg with pre-made character(Geralt)  , no class , no character builder ,no tactical view , no different gender , 2 type of weapon (sword and sword) and 3-4 type of armor . QTE in RPG and fighting a la heavy rain?
Press w ... good press d .. good !!!I Those cutscene are awesome!

Gerald can't be homosexual either.Triss only. So much hypocrisy right here.I could continue but man ... I`m not a troll.
All the QQ'ING about the voice over in DA2 .. Oh come on.

Gamer  that really appreciated the first Witcher  in 2007  did not cry and spam .
Why are any developper going to take you seriously?

The graphic are nice and so are the spec .I really doubt they will sell  more copies than DA2 .
The Witcher2  seem to have a lot technical problem . Gamer don't want their new I7 2600  crash after 1 hours .

The witcher 2 it's a nice game but i smell hypocrisy.

Planescape Torment anybody?

[jack_f]

From what I know, there are no gay romance options in TW2. That fact alone should put off a large portion of Bioware fans. Indeed, I would say in this particular niche Bioware has yet to find its equal.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

88mphSlayer wrote...

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PS:T sucks.

Redding is teh hard.

Seriously though, I posted my thoughts on that part about preset character here.

I wrote...

Well yes, the inflexibility of the character and the limited scope for roleplaying obviously does impact negatively on people's engagement with said character.

Rather than making the character your own, it feels as if you're just watching the story play out a lot of the time.
Some people like that. But for me, it goes against the point of RPGs in the first place.

To play a role and character of your choosing and impact the world and narrative through your character and your choices.

Choices becomes really important in that aspect, because if you give enough choice and consequence, even pre determined protagonists feel like your own. I mean, people say Dragon Age 2 is not much of an RPG and use the
pre determined protagonist as proof. Planescape: Torment forces the Nameless One on you, but I haven't seen anyone argue that PS:T is not an RPG.

I think Hawke suffers from the fact that the "tones" system is the only real form of character development that's been given to him/her in terms of roleplaying. Unlike Shep, or even Geralt, he's not given a strong personality with plenty of choices to further cement or break it and unlike TNO or The Courier, he's not given a "blank slate" type character and given the opportunity to create one.

He's somewhere inbetween. Which is an unhappy medium imo.

The tones is probably not a bad idea (AP had them), but it was far from ideal in Dragon Age 2. Because of the way choice and tones were implemented, Hawke often has to rely on the Bethesda-method of character development. As in, imagine it. Instead of having the game respond to it through choices and consequences.

There are others who disagree obviously and that's just my opinion, but I can't help think that even with the dodgy combat, re-used maps, etc, Dragon Age 2 would've been a much better game had they provided more opportunities to support roleplaying.

jack_f wrote...

From what I know, there are no gay romance options in TW2. That fact alone should put off a large portion of
Bioware fans. Indeed, I would say in this particular niche Bioware has yet to find its equal.

Ugh.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 19 mai 2011 - 02:14 .

[Chromie]

One of the best games ever where you can't create a character Planescape Torment. Deal with it. RPG's with predefined characters can be just as good or better it just depends on the game.

I agree Witcher 2 is much better then Dragon Age 2. I have Alchemy for making potions which is a much better system then in DA2, I can place traps, combat is challenging even on normal, environments are huge and gorgeous.

But if CDProjekt steals Bioware's thunder that only means Bioware has to make the next Dragon Age game not bad or rushed. I'll still buy Mass Effect 3 and The Old Republic.

[slimgrin]

First off, there's no single go-to company for me.

I love Bioware and have whiled away many an hour on their games. Problem is, even in their best titles there are design aspects that can only be described as lazy. They excel in some areas, and others they do by rote. Over and over again. It's bordering on formula.

In contrast, CD red seems to make the extra effort; they simply strike me as being more creative and ambitious. So yeah, I do think Bioware needs to step it up.

Modifié par slimgrin, 19 mai 2011 - 02:29 .

[KenKenpachi]

xCirdanx wrote...

If they can stay true to their fanbase, yes. They seem to just love RPGs. And want to do the best for the fans of that genre. Unlike...some others...who are more interested into getting new, non-rpg fans into their customer base.

I don´t think they are done now with the witcher, a third part is very possible. What i really would like to see is a party based RPG from them, maybe even in the D&D setting. They love these kind of games and Atari is their publisher. It could be possible.

However, it´s also possible that Dragon Age 3, which i think they will make, could be a great game, but i have doubts considering they lead of DA2 and the engine and movie-like presentation. I doubt they will go aways from this.

Wow why is it like a great percentage of this **** I've seen in faovr of W2 is either.

Well its PC only!!!! Damn Console players...I mean guys its not like we stupid unwashed masses didn't have RPGs before we "Stole" Bioware.

Or its this ****   "THEY'S GETTING NEW FANS FOR MORES MONEYIES HOW DARE THEYS!!!!" And if you think all DLC For W2 is going to be free, I've got beach front properity in Kentucky to sell yah. That or it will be very little DLC.

Your (and not just you) acting like ****ing Gollum in Lord of the Rings over bioware.

MY precious! How Dares they get into wider market and try new things!!! AND BRINGS NEW PEOPLES ITS MINE.

Honestly I've seen closed of communities of Hillbillies and Getto Rats less scary than some of you.

[xCirdanx]

jack_f wrote...

From what I know, there are no gay romance options in TW2. That fact alone should put off a large portion of Bioware fans. Indeed, I would say in this particular niche Bioware has yet to find its equal.

Yes he isn´t that is lore as far as i remember the books. If you ask me better stay to the lore, than make almost everyone bi-sexual just to get some horrible wirtten romances like in DA2. And i don´t think this will have an impact. Why? Read all the "we want more gay romances options" threads, it´s not like people are happy how it´s handled in BW games.

I´m all for gay romances, if they make sene and not just there for the sake of it.

[Kaiser Shepard]

As much as I like Dragon Age, the series disappointed me post-Origins by not acknowledging (or rather, the devs not caring to acknowledge) my particular Origins ending (the 'US ending', to avoid spoilers). For me, one such retconning of a rather large and personal decision just makes the house of cards that is the illusion of choice crumbling down, especially in a series that pretty much revolves around choice

Awakening was everything I hoped it would be as a whole, sans the acknowledgement I wanted it to have. DA2 I liked for what it was, in contrast to most of the forumites clinging on to what they wanted it to be.

The Mass Effect series I still like, even having bought and enjoyed the novels and comic, but the plot has lost the subtlety it initially had. Things like *BAM, SHEPARD IS DEAD* - " Oh wait, he's back alive five minutes later" don't do the original (or the rest of the second game itself) justice.

Having just played Alpha Protocol for these last few weeks, I feel that could have become a very special series, similarly to what Firefly is to tv series. Sega doesn't want to publish a sequel, however, due to "low sales". Don't really know what they were expecting, though, but I'd say 700.000 copies sold isn't bad for the first game in a series, especially one as undermarketed as AP was.

As a console exclusive gamer, I throughly regret not being able to play the Witcher series right now. Seems like it is almost everything I want in a good RPG series. But alas, mine is an unlucky fate...

[88mphSlayer]

@mrcrusty

i just think choices that have no bearing are superficial, if they gave you a choice like "choose the color of your character's skin" that's one thing, but when ie: choosing to be a mage has the same bearing on the game as the color of your skin, it's dumb... and almost the entire game is like that, ME2 suffers from treating choice as an aesthetic sometimes as well, if somebody has to sacrifice letting you choose the color of your skin in favor of getting to choose how a story actually plays out... i'll take the latter anyday

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 19 mai 2011 - 02:28 .

[Finiffa]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

Not for me. The Witcher doesn't have 3 major things I enjoy about Bioware.

1) Having the ability to create your own PC.
2) The companions.
3) The writing. Inb4 "I want a sandwitch."

^^ this. Apart from that I'll buy any game that I think I like, regardless of who made it.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Regarding their politics I'd say yes. Not only the company for RPGs but games in general. Pre-order discount, huge package in standard edition including many things only seen in collector's edition, then free DLC and PC exclusivity. IMO they're an example of not only RPG games company, but in general, for every developer/publisher out there. They're on another level on fan support policy, something Bioware's...kind of lacking these days. Their DLC policy give me headaches. Oh well, it's probably due to EA. Can't do a thing about that.

I couldn't be happier to buy The Witcher 2.

Still love Bioware though.

[xCirdanx]

KenKenpachi wrote...

xCirdanx wrote...

If they can stay true to their fanbase, yes. They seem to just love RPGs. And want to do the best for the fans of that genre. Unlike...some others...who are more interested into getting new, non-rpg fans into their customer base.

I don´t think they are done now with the witcher, a third part is very possible. What i really would like to see is a party based RPG from them, maybe even in the D&D setting. They love these kind of games and Atari is their publisher. It could be possible.

However, it´s also possible that Dragon Age 3, which i think they will make, could be a great game, but i have doubts considering they lead of DA2 and the engine and movie-like presentation. I doubt they will go aways from this.

Wow why is it like a great percentage of this **** I've seen in faovr of W2 is either.

Well its PC only!!!! Damn Console players...I mean guys its not like we stupid unwashed masses didn't have RPGs before we "Stole" Bioware.

Or its this ****   "THEY'S GETTING NEW FANS FOR MORES MONEYIES HOW DARE THEYS!!!!" And if you think all DLC For W2 is going to be free, I've got beach front properity in Kentucky to sell yah. That or it will be very little DLC.

Your (and not just you) acting like ****ing Gollum in Lord of the Rings over bioware.

MY precious! How Dares they get into wider market and try new things!!! AND BRINGS NEW PEOPLES ITS MINE.

Honestly I've seen closed of communities of Hillbillies and Getto Rats less scary than some of you.

Because you are not very clever and can not read?

1. Yes it´s PC only? What´s your problem? Chances are good that it will get a console port. What´s your point? I wrote nothing about PC vs. Console.

2. I haven´t written this either idiot. But yeah, DLC is in most cases a ripp off for you unwashed masses as you said it. Oh and it´s very likely the will stay to their claim.

3. Do i? Read the book again and you might understand Gollum better, if you are able to, DA2 is mediocre and i will point that out and it´s also natural to compare a new game with the latest one. Reviewers in fact, do it all the time.

Ah i see your point is all about "staying close to the fanbase"? I´m ok to bring in new people, if it doesn´t mean butchering a game/ip just for the sake of it.

You know what, you call me narrow minded (or at last you imply it) but at the same time you don´t even realise that not only you are  interpreting stuff i have never said ( nor meant) no, you also think that bringing in more people by making less of everything (compared to it´s predecessor) is a good thing. You gain and will not gain anything out of it, not even if DA2 would have been a great success, that wouldn´t make a possible DA3 better.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

88mphSlayer wrote...

@mrcrusty

i just think choices that have no bearing are superficial, if they gave you a choice like "choose the color of your character's skin" that's one thing, but when ie: choosing to be a mage has the same bearing on the game as the color of your skin, it's dumb... and almost the entire game is like that, ME2 suffers from treating choice as an aesthetic sometimes as well, if somebody has to sacrifice letting you choose the color of your skin in favor of getting to choose how a story actually plays out... i'll take the latter anyday

Well, that is essentially what I'm suggesting.

Dragon Age 2 offers plenty of choices, but few of them are really acknowledged by the game through consequences. When I say choices, I imply consequences.

If you want to see a game's story that really feels like it's changing based on your choices, try out either New Vegas or Alpha Protocol. I can only recommend Witcher 2 because it's awesome, not because I've played through it but I've beaten both NV and AP multiple times. Very different results. Good for roleplaying.

AP has also a lot of things done well that Dragon Age 2 poorly imitated imo. Framed narrative, system of tones, influences on NPCs, a pre determined character with a narrative that changes based upon your decisions. There are narrative chokepoints where things still happen no matter what, but they deviate to the point where you feel it's different, like in Origins.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 19 mai 2011 - 02:39 .