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[Aaleel]

There are things I think both do better than the other.

For example Bioware is better at voice acting, and facial expressions on the characters, which makes them seem more alive.

But CDPR is vastly better at bringing a world to life. The forests, the cities, the day knight cycle. Anyone seen the rain at night, downright creepy. If Kirkwall had been like any village, city I've seen so far in the Witcher, man, but I digress.

[PaulSX]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

No, but they are now vying for it.

Personally, as I said before, The Witcher 2 can be great, like TES and Fallout games, and even Fable, but I still enjoy tactical party-based RPGs where I can enjoy the story for hours, enjoy really good NPC interaction and get a buzz out of managing my party in combat with planning and tactics and all that good stuff.

That's the niche I'd like to see filled.

Agreed, party-based rpgs are always a win in my book~~

[DragonRageGT]

slimgrin wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

in witcher 2 most time I just click my mouse button as fast as possible or press space bar if needed.

That is completely the wrong way to go about it imo. And AA was fun, but it had classic 'take turns to attack AI' which was predictable and a little simplistic.

He's playing it on Casual, Slim, is he not? I'd love to see how long would he survive in Insane diff. Die and game is over. What you think? Button-mashing click-fest on the Prologue alone... ROFLMAO! He's a Ghost!

[MassFrost]

Aaleel wrote...

For example Bioware is better at voice acting, and facial expressions on the characters, which makes them seem more alive.

I'll give BioWare facial animations, it's one area they've proven that they excel in with their recent games. Voice acting though.. I mean, I know it's just a matter of personal preference on my part, but I thought the voice actor for male Hawke was just plain awful. I wouldn't mind them changing him up if they bring Hawke back for a future DA game.

[Damariel]

RageGT wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

in witcher 2 most time I just click my mouse button as fast as possible or press space bar if needed.

That is completely the wrong way to go about it imo. And AA was fun, but it had classic 'take turns to attack AI' which was predictable and a little simplistic.

He's playing it on Casual, Slim, is he not? I'd love to see how long would he survive in Insane diff. Die and game is over. What you think? Button-mashing click-fest on the Prologue alone... ROFLMAO! He's a Ghost!

well I think he would die just after he will be out of Siege tower... for starters ... first guard in the game

[Khayness]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Is anybody else getting really sick of the superiority complexes and condescending attitude of the fanboys when it comes to CDR vs Bio?

I'm not. I troll them both on occasion (although you have to be a really ignorant ****** to do that to the Witcher ones, the BioWare crew are more defensive about their waifu, a different opinion will suffice just as well).

They are so asking for it.

[PaulSX]

RageGT wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

in witcher 2 most time I just click my mouse button as fast as possible or press space bar if needed.

That is completely the wrong way to go about it imo. And AA was fun, but it had classic 'take turns to attack AI' which was predictable and a little simplistic.

He's playing it on Casual, Slim, is he not? I'd love to see how long would he survive in Insane diff. Die and game is over. What you think? Button-mashing click-fest on the Prologue alone... ROFLMAO! He's a Ghost!

I played it on normal, most battles can be done by purely sword play with some use of signs. I did die a lot at prologue but in chapter one, I never died except Kayran fight

[marshalleck]

MassFrost wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

For example Bioware is better at voice acting, and facial expressions on the characters, which makes them seem more alive.

I'll give BioWare facial animations, 

That was just undone by Rockstar with LA Noire. 

[astrallite]

It also helps Witcher 2s cause that it was $45 and DA2 was $60.

[wildannie]

I'm only on chapter 1, and I do like TW2 but as yet, I don't like it anywhere near as much as ME 1, 2 and DAO and I don't for foresee that changing.
I don't enjoy playing a male protagonist as much so that is one problem. The general depiction of women still seems a bit chauvinistic which doesn't help. I also find the combat movement to be a bit clunky, no doubt due in part to my skill (or lack thereof) but for me it's not very intuitive, oh and I'm not a fan of qtes... bit tedious.

While I was disappointed with DA2 I doubt that I will enjoy TW2 more than I enjoyed DA2 Playthrough 1 and I seriously doubt that I will play TW2 more than once, it's just not charmed me in the way a Bioware game can... so I guess I'll not be moving over to CDPR any time soon.

[FlintlockJazz]

MassFrost wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

For example Bioware is better at voice acting, and facial expressions on the characters, which makes them seem more alive.

I'll give BioWare facial animations, it's one area they've proven that they excel in with their recent games. Voice acting though.. I mean, I know it's just a matter of personal preference on my part, but I thought the voice actor for male Hawke was just plain awful. I wouldn't mind them changing him up if they bring Hawke back for a future DA game.

I wouldn't actually give Bioware facial animations either personally.  Not hating on them but Yahtzee did refer to them once as the 'Bioware Face' after all.  I'd maybe give the award of best facial animations to Obsidian actually based on how alive the characters often looked in Alpha Protocol (the expression Scarlett gives you if you tell her that you're a spy is classic eye roll) or perharps Troika for V:tM Bloodlines.

[Jade Elf]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

CD Projekt is certainly welcoming their money. Whether they'll be good about fixing bugs, pushing DLC, and the like is anybody's guess.

Based on their track record so far - see The Witcher Enhanced Edition - I'd guess that people aren't going to be disappointed.

@Topic - Eh, personally I'll still be buying Bioware games in the future. I've enjoyed DA2 a lot, despite its flaws. I see no reason to favour one over the other exclusively.

[Khayness]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

I'd maybe give the award of best facial animations to Obsidian actually based on how alive the characters often looked in Alpha Protocol (the expression Scarlett gives you if you tell her that you're a spy is classic eye roll) or perharps Troika for V:tM Bloodlines.

Nothing beats the eye rolls of Jade Empire.

[88mphSlayer]

marshalleck wrote...

MassFrost wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

For example Bioware is better at voice acting, and facial expressions on the characters, which makes them seem more alive.

I'll give BioWare facial animations, 

That was just undone by Rockstar with LA Noire. 

i hope somebody does an entire rpg with that technology, don't really care who does it

[Eternal Phoenix]

There's more RPG companies out there you know. Larian Studios for one...

Bioware have made three good games IMO. NWN, Origins and ME2. I didn't enjoy their other games.

Cdkproject? Haven't enjoyed any of their games.

Larian Studios? Enjoyed all of their games.

Signing out.

[Chromie]

Aaleel wrote...

There are things I think both do better than the other.

For example Bioware is better at  facial expressions on the characters, which makes them seem more alive.

Well...Rockstar/Team Bondoi officially win there now.

Let's hope rpg developers come up with something equal to that tecnnology. I can't tell you how many times I have interrogated a suspect and found myself doubting my decision because judging by facial expression may believe either someone was innocent, lying or hiding something. The tech does more then look pretty it makes care more about what a npc has to say or even the character im playing.


CDProjekt does better with the mature and darker feel., Dragon Age Origins was supposed to be dark fantasy it felt nothing like that. I'm not saying Witcher is because the good guys do win but the world feels darker, people are greedy and corrupt right now I'm doing a quest called "Trool Trouble" to kill a troll. So far I have found out the Troll's wife was killed so now he has picked up drinking. The troll used to maintain the bridge and charge a fee and the villagers didn't mind because they don't have to pay a craftsman anymore. A greedy corrupt "leader" decides he doesn't want to pay a toll anymore to a troll who let a bridge fall apart.

There are 3 ways to finish the quest.

Kill the troll.
Get more Vodka thus not solving the problem.
Help the troll give up alcohol.

I don't rememeber DA or ME having any quests like that really. Bioware has the voice acting, cliche story yes but they do it well though they seem to be trying to move away from that, companion based combat.

I like both companies I know I'm buying Mass Effect 3 and The Old Reoublic and I know I'm buying any expansions for Witcher 2.

Modifié par Ringo12, 19 mai 2011 - 11:32 .

[shnizzler93]

So, this is at least the third Witcher 2 thread that is open? Yeah, even though this is the off-topic section, something needs to give.

Modifié par shnizzler93, 19 mai 2011 - 11:27 .

[KilrB]

I wouldn't go so far as to say they are THAT company.

One of the COMPANIES but not THE company.

There are more contenders than Bioware and CDRP in the game you know.

Several have upcoming releases that we are awaiting, let's not crown a king yet.

Bioware's standing has taken a big hit, a really big hit with me.

Their continued inclusion on my "eagerly anticipated" list is contingent on how well they recover this fumble and come up with a game plan that produces a product that is worth my money.

(Edit for spelling)

Modifié par KilrB, 19 mai 2011 - 11:44 .

[MassFrost]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

MassFrost wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

For example Bioware is better at voice acting, and facial expressions on the characters, which makes them seem more alive.

I'll give BioWare facial animations, it's one area they've proven that they excel in with their recent games. Voice acting though.. I mean, I know it's just a matter of personal preference on my part, but I thought the voice actor for male Hawke was just plain awful. I wouldn't mind them changing him up if they bring Hawke back for a future DA game.

I wouldn't actually give Bioware facial animations either personally.  Not hating on them but Yahtzee did refer to them once as the 'Bioware Face' after all.  I'd maybe give the award of best facial animations to Obsidian actually based on how alive the characters often looked in Alpha Protocol (the expression Scarlett gives you if you tell her that you're a spy is classic eye roll) or perharps Troika for V:tM Bloodlines.

Well yeah, there's a number of companies that do facial animations far better than BioWare. I just meant that comparing CDPR and BioWare, BW tends to pull off the better facial animations.

[Nithrakis Arcanius]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

I didn't want to get involved in the base villainy of this thread, but I do feel that I need to clear up a misconception: the characters in the Witcher 2 are not unlikeable douchebags or plain nasty. Sure there are characters that are, but the main good guys are actually well-meaning and good intentioned, they just also happen to have vices and character flaws as well, like normal people.

Take Dandelion for instance: he is a lech, a cad, a liar and a cheat. He is also loyal to his friends, willing to do the right thing, friendly, charming, wants to do the right thing and more than once has put his life on the line for Geralt.

Then take Triss: she is manipulative and obviously up to something dodgy. She also believes that what she is doing is for the greater good and is deeply in love with Geralt.

And of course Zoltan: there's really nothing that bad about him, he's a dwarf that has an intellect beyond looking for gold, swears a lot but his heart is in the right place and likes to party. Zoltan is probably my favourite to be honest, the guy is just so genuine.

This is what many game companies and indeed many filmmakers and writers don't get: being dark fantasy does not mean that the characters have to be all evil and cold and badass. On the contrary, they should be normal people with normal flaws, and that is what I think CDPR have managed to pull off here.

Oh and Geralt: when I first approached Witcher 1 I thought he was going to be some typical 'dark' badass character like Kratos (who I don't like) who tries to be all hard and broody, but I was pleasantly surprised: he's actually a well-meaning guy who just wants to get the job done and stay out of politics. Sure he charges for his work, but then don't most adventurers in high fantasy also get paid? Witchering is a costly business, as he points out to Siegfried in Witcher 1: not everyone has lands and titles to help pay for their expenses, and Witchers need to eat too.

That's all I wanted to say, other than will the whole lot of you stop your ****iness to each other please? Both sides are as bad as each other here, stop it.

*Sets fire to the thread*

Excellent points. I've been reading through the thread waiting for someone to counter the misprepresentation that all characters in the Witcher games are self centered ****s.

Thanks for restoring my sanity.

I prefer the characters in the Witcher series to what I've seen in recent Bioware games. I also prefer the writing and dialogue. The good thing about BioWare games is they give you a lot of time to get to know a character. Your exposure is a bit more limited in the Witcher series.

[corebit]

No way CDP is going to replace Bioware for me.

The only game the Witcher 2 beats is DA:2, and we all know that is a low point in Bioware's long history of excellent games.

All the other Bioware games: Mass Effect series, Baldur's Gate, KOTOR, and DA:O are leagues above Witcher2.

It's going to take A LOT more than a single game from CDP to replace Bioware for me.

[Boiny Bunny]

corebit wrote...

No way CDP is going to replace Bioware for me.

The only game the Witcher 2 beats is DA:2, and we all know that is a low point in Bioware's long history of excellent games.

All the other Bioware games: Mass Effect series, Baldur's Gate, KOTOR, and DA:O are leagues above Witcher2.

It's going to take A LOT more than a single game from CDP to replace Bioware for me.

Respectfully, I disagree.  I feel that in many ways, TW2 is vastly superior to almost every game Bioware have ever created.

Of course, I have a large amount of nostalgia attached to earlier Bioware games (Baldur's Gate for example), which may make them seem even better than they are from my point of view.

At any rate, these kinds of discussions are mostly subjective.  I love Bioware, and have quickly come to love CDPR.  I hope both companies continue to release top notch games in the future.

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 20 mai 2011 - 02:31 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Deathwurm wrote...

I think it's premature to dub CDProjeckt as the new "savior" of RPG Fans.
They have a total of ONE successful IP at this point. They produce one bad Game and they'll be on the "Hate List" along with many other Companies.

This. I'm waiting to see what CDP does after The Witcher. That's going to be the real test. 

[Anathemic]

corebit wrote...

No way CDP is going to replace Bioware for me.

The only game the Witcher 2 beats is DA:2, and we all know that is a low point in Bioware's long history of excellent games.

All the other Bioware games: Mass Effect series, Baldur's Gate, KOTOR, and DA:O are leagues above Witcher2.

It's going to take A LOT more than a single game from CDP to replace Bioware for me.

Disagree, TW2 so far, just the prologue, surpasses DA:O's plot entirely. DA:O didn't feel dark fantasy, it was more of a Tolkien-esque (save world from evil) high fantasy if you think about it. TW2 is dark fantasy, and perfectly shows that.

Animation is far better in TW2. Throughout ME, ME2, DA:O, and DA2 they all have the 'Bioware stance' and the 'Bioware face' where two figures stand still and stare each other down. In TW2 the dialogue has superb animation, people walk around, roll there eyes, cross arms, excellent animation.

In relation to animation, the gameplay. TW2 blends action rpg without sacrificing the rpg elements superbly. With the Demon Souls-inspired combat it isn't a hack n' slash, tactics are involved, and what's more it is real time, almost RTS (Real time strategy [AKA StarCraft 2]) style.

Graphics? I don't think we need a discussion here.

[AlanC9]

Boiny Bunny wrote...
Of course, I have a large amount of nostalgia attached to earlier Bioware games (Baldur's Gate for example), which may make them seem even better than they are from my point of view.

Sometimes I wonder if maybe Bioware was never the company some folks think it was.