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[TheChris92]

J. Reezy wrote...

TheChris92 wrote...

Oh, right, a sitar - Guess I forgot since I don't really care for his character or his boss battle.

"DANCE WATER DANCE!"

Ugh! SHUT UP!

Dat boss battle = Proud Mode


Oh, this reminds me - I managed to finally beat Sephiroth! And I killed Xemnas using only Sonic Blade. In fact, I used it throughout the entire battle, while Goofy kept boosting my MP all the time. Hilarious.

Modifié par TheChris92, 02 décembre 2013 - 05:17 .

[TEWR]

ut Axel had the same behaviour he had in KH2 in BBS when he was human

Right, because by that time he's grown a heart again and he could feel genuine emotions.

Does anyone honestly remember every member of Organization XIII's names?

Names, titles, weapons, personality, last lines. I remember them all.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Lexaeus.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Btw luxord was a joke imo.

[TEWR]

Btw luxord was a joke imo.

LIES!

Kingdom Hearts 2 was a joke.

HERETIC!

[Cainhurst Crow]

Honestly the only one weaker then luxord I can think of was zexion, and his whole deal with suppose to be illusionary manipulation and such so he at least gets a pass. But what is it that ****ing master of time did in his fight?

"Imma use my cards like a magician and make giant boxes you can slice through....?

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah...great plan there buddy. I can see why you were so useful to the organization.

[TEWR]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Honestly the only one weaker then luxord I can think of was zexion, and his whole deal with suppose to be illusionary manipulation and such so he at least gets a pass. But what is it that ****ing master of time did in his fight?

"Imma use my cards like a magician and make giant boxes you can slice through....?

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah...great plan there buddy. I can see why you were so useful to the organization.

I can justify him not using his powers over time to give himself an edge -- like say turning the clock back -- because he's partially about fighting fair and no cheating. Even if cheating could give him the edge and win (something his FM dialogue scenes talk about Re: Axel's death) he's not about to go through with it. He's a fair play villain.

Also, considering his friendship with Roxas, I think that might play a part with it. He wanted a one-on-one duel against Roxas, a person he considered his friend, with no cheating of any sort. He even congratulates his opponent on winning, saying "You play the game quite well".

Most of the time, he's able to keep his cool because he has an ace up his sleeve (fitting for the Gambler of Fate) but as the battle ends and he sees that he has nothing left, he raises his barrier (his last defense) and has a very visible look of fear to his face. There was no possible thing he could do, and part of him afterwards can't believe that Roxas did such a thing. He views it like a betrayal.

I think, really, what he wanted was to just test their respective strength (with again, no cheating) and might've let Sora go on ahead afterwards. Adding to this belief is his Days journal, which not only tells you his domain (time obviously) but phrases it in a way that, while we know he's loyal to the Organization even after finding out how little importance they look at him with, implies he really doesn't care how long things take.

Life to him is just a game to be won... and he has all the time in the world to do it.

And it also kinda ties into his name -- The Gambler of Fate. He was throwing his life on the line, just as Axel did, and perhaps it was to gain something out of it.

He lost, but I think he was moved by Axel's sacrifice and it influenced how he acted here, in a way consistent with who he is.

Just my two cents though. Luxord's a character I enjoy immensely. He is an intelligent character -- he has knowledge of literary rhetoric and pirate codes, which is something -- and I honestly hope to see his original persona reborn.

Though I want more literary rhetoric if he appears. I enjoyed his gambling related comments, but I really enjoyed stuff like "whispers of the top of the ladder carried down to the bottom rungs" and "veritable maelstrom of avarice".

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 03 décembre 2013 - 08:34 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

I wish they'd covered that all in the original kingdom hearts 2. I haven;t seen any final mix footage for 2, so I wouldn't know if they expand on the organizations personalities or not.

[TEWR]

It's only a few scenes (most are geared towards Axel and Roxas' relationship) but Luxord gets some dialogue in there that I find adds to his character a bit.

[The Hierophant]

Speaking of Luxord...




 






The resemblance is uncanny.

[TEWR]

The Hierophant wrote...

Speaking of Luxord...




 






The resemblance is uncanny.

http://forum.unity3d...21&d=1377691686

[The Hierophant]

I know, it's eerie.

[TEWR]

Maybe it was deliberate on Nomura's part?

[TheChris92]

Kingdom Hearts 2 is the better game - Good gameplay, fascinating villains for once, fun boss battles and worlds. I have some problems with it though, like Aerith voice actress being horrible. As for Luxord. He's the only Organization member who looks relatively normal and doesn't have a ridiculous hairdo. Robin Atkin Downes voice is awesome.

Right, because by that time he's grown a heart again and he could feel genuine emotions.

While I'm sure that could somehow be a completely valid explanation for why Flynn's acting sucked in Chains of Memories as it did - Regardless, Axel didn't feel flat in the GBA version, there isn't any power to his lines in this remake. Look at Demyx - He seems to already act like how he was as a human, but we can't really tell if he has grown a heart because that's just assumption with nothing to go on. Xigbar acts the same as he did a human -- He even speaks the same. That's the problem with the plot in KH, most of it can only be explained through assumptions that the fans have since come up with. I know Quintinn Flynn is better than this so I'm gonna blame the voice director and writers for changing his lines from the GBA version. 

Modifié par TheChris92, 03 décembre 2013 - 11:12 .

[The Hierophant]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Maybe it was deliberate on Nomura's part?

I wouldn't put it past Nomura. He already stated Squall was inspired by River Phoenix. I'm still trying to figure out who Tidus was inspired by even though at times he looks like a masculine Meg Ryan.

@TheChris92 <theory time> I wouldn't be surprised if Flynn was sick or finished recovering from losing his voice or was on the verge of.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 03 décembre 2013 - 05:19 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Random thought: If or when the xehanorts manage to open/obtain kingdom hearts, I hope it's like the ark of the covenant and kills them all horribly.

[The Love Runner]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Random thought: If or when the xehanorts manage to open/obtain kingdom hearts, I hope it's like the ark of the covenant and kills them all horribly.

We technically already got that with Seeker of Darkness Ansem in the first game.

[AresKeith]

J. Reezy wrote...

Galactic Runner wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Random thought: If or when the xehanorts manage to open/obtain kingdom hearts, I hope it's like the ark of the covenant and kills them all horribly.

We technically already got that with Seeker of Darkness Ansem in the first game.

Pretty much. Then again, was that even THE Kingdom Hearts? Supposedly the χ-blade is needed to find it

I think Xehanort was trying to find a way to get Kingdom Hearts without the X-blade since that got screwed in Birth by Sleep

[Br3admax]

J. Reezy wrote...

Galactic Runner wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Random thought: If or when the xehanorts manage to open/obtain kingdom hearts, I hope it's like the ark of the covenant and kills them all horribly.

We technically already got that with Seeker of Darkness Ansem in the first game.

Pretty much. Then again, was that even THE Kingdom Hearts? Supposedly the χ-blade is needed to find it

It may have been a Kingdom Hearts, but it was really more of a Door to Darkness for me. I think that Kingdom Hearts really lies in Between this space, and what attacked Ansem was only a glimpse of it as the Door opened. Of course I read into a lot of things way too much. 

[Mashiro Yuki]

I didn't even realize that Quinton Flynn was Axel, holy sh*t.

I knew I recognized the voice. I love Raiden. God damn... heh.