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[idiot2222]

Disclaimer: This is kind of a rant. I wrote it after having played the game for roughly 10 minutes.  So if you fear you might react negatively or if you are bored by these kinds of posts it might be best to skip this.

So... I recently bought this game, knowing about the negative vibe. A friend of mine recommended to skip it and i have seen many opinion pieces by people i respect suggesting the same. But since i am not generally opposed to change and could live with a little "mainstreaming" (I had no problem with fallout 3, even though i loved the original games too, for example), i bought it when it was on discount. Sadly i did not bother to watch a video beforehand :/.

Immediately after pressing the "New Game" button i got a huge disappointment. I  knew there are just 3 characters to choose from, but the way this was presented reminded me of a very bad diablo clone. I dont see how having this look so bland and boring adds any mainstream appeal. It is basically 6 samey looking guys, every second one supposed to be female, with 2 lines of description each. I chose one of them, but it didnt feel like it would make any difference.

Then there was a short cutscene and then the tutorial. I really should have watched a video of the game beforehand, maybe then i wouldnt have had such a negative emotional reaction to it. As it is, i was astonished how the aesthetics of the game are so hugely different from the first part! I knew about some changes but i still wasnt prepared for the game to suddenly feel like some bland ps2 action game. The movement is comically fast and the way you just rush up on things and they explode is just silly.

At that point the feeling that "i would like to not be playing this right now" made me quit. Somehow I felt insulted that someone could think that i could enjoy something like this.

I will probably play this game and enjoy it somewhat. And of course my opinion on these things might change. Or it might even be a great game despite these issues. But for the moment i have the strong desire to express my discontent with the aesthetics and feel of the game. I dont like this and i hope future games will not be made like this.

With this post I hope to put your limited information about my preferences -that you got from
me buying the game in the first place- into the proper perspective.

[AtreiyaN7]

*rolleyes*

[lobi]

I ate a chiken sandwich yesterday. I put mustard on it. Adventurous I am.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

*in after two people contributed their valuable points of view*

@idiot2222 - unforunately the RPG elements take a little while to kick in. You don't get much in the tutorial (which I wish we could skip--how many times do you really need to repeat an action sequence?), and you get little more from the next scene (which I'm guessing you haven't reached yet?). The aesthetic and gameplay is quite different to Dragon Age: Origins, so if you're comparing the two...yeah. DA2 is a lot more combat and fast-action oriented, and at the start of the game there's really not much to look at besides exploding bodies. The scenery's pretty dreary IMO (well-rendered dreary, but still).

Hopefully you'll enjoy it more once you get past the start of the game. DA2 wasn't what I was hoping from an RPG sequel of DA:O's calibre, but I still enjoyed it and didn't think I'd wasted my money. Pretty impressive for the short production time it got, too.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 19 mai 2011 - 08:41 .

[Addai]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

*in after two people contributed their valuable points of view*

@idiot2222 - unforunately the RPG elements take a little while to kick in. You don't get much in the tutorial (which I wish we could skip--how many times do you really need to repeat an action sequence?), and you get little more from the next scene (which I'm guessing you haven't reached yet?). The aesthetic and gameplay is quite different to Dragon Age: Origins, so if you're comparing the two...yeah. DA2 is a lot more combat and fast-action oriented, and at the start of the game there's really not much to look at besides exploding bodies. The scenery's pretty dreary IMO (well-rendered dreary, but still).

Hopefully you'll enjoy it more once you get past the start of the game. DA2 wasn't what I was hoping from an RPG sequel of DA:O's calibre, but I still enjoyed it and didn't think I'd wasted my money. Pretty impressive for the short production time it got, too.

(husband)

If the game designers could have heard my best friends reaction to the tutorial.   I was actually seriously plugging the Ultimate Edition of Origons, because of the great bang for the buck return he would get (Has very little money to spend on games).   But in passing I mentioned the free DA2 demo and guess what game DA2 reminded him off...?    He said the game is essentially an upgraded Diablo II.   Now how is that for a back fire!?

Modifié par Addai67, 19 mai 2011 - 08:52 .

[lionalio87]

@idiot2222: That's just a point of view. If you are bored with the game, so you don't need to waste your time with it anymore. If you are expecting some kind like Dragon Age: Origins 2, so this game definitely get you disappointed. But if you want to seek another adventure or storyline beyond DA:O, I don't think you've wasted your money. DA2 has its own impression, keep playing and you'll see.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Addai67 wrote...

(husband)

If the game designers could have heard my best friends reaction to the tutorial.   I was actually seriously plugging the Ultimate Edition of Origons, because of the great bang for the buck return he would get (Has very little money to spend on games).   and guess what game it reminded him off...?    He said the game is essentially an upgraded Diablo II.   Now how is that for a back fire!?

Heh, well having played and finished Diablo II and its expansion, I really can't agree that the two games are compara--

Oh wait, the *turorial* is like a revamped Diablo II? *considers* Ok, yeah, I'll give him that. XD

Fortunately I'd played the demo so I knew what to expect (a craptonne of combat).

[huwie]

You get to customise your character after the compulsory tutorial is finished, seems like an odd choice but I guess it's to avoid deterring the players who want to get straight to the action.

[Dubya75]

OP, you really don't know what you're talking about, do you!

[Elhanan]

He came. He Saw. He went home. Epic.....

Found this again. Some may find it informative; others entertaining, as it gave me a chuckle:

http://pbskids.org/a.../factsopinions/

Modifié par Elhanan, 19 mai 2011 - 09:43 .

[idiot2222]

Elhanan wrote...

He came. He Saw. He went home. Epic.....

Found this again. Some may find it informative; others entertaining, as it gave me a chuckle:

http://pbskids.org/a.../factsopinions/

I dont understand? Clearly, saying "i dont like this" is a statement of opinion and not a statement of facts. Is it not allowed to post opinions here ?

The game might get better for me or it might not. My thanks to the one poster for pointing out that the RPG elements might make up for it. I will probably check it out and if it turns out that it is the greatest game ever i will be sure to correct myself here.

[Siegdrifa]

idiot2222 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

He came. He Saw. He went home. Epic.....

Found this again. Some may find it informative; others entertaining, as it gave me a chuckle:

http://pbskids.org/a.../factsopinions/

I dont understand? Clearly, saying "i dont like this" is a statement of opinion and not a statement of facts. Is it not allowed to post opinions here ?

The game might get better for me or it might not. My thanks to the one poster for pointing out that the RPG elements might make up for it. I will probably check it out and if it turns out that it is the greatest game ever i will be sure to correct myself here.

You sure are welcom to express you opinion, but don't you think your opinion would be better and get more credit if it was more fom just a few minutes of gaming?
Just my opinion here  : )

[Aargh12]

Don't worry. It only get worse - the beginning doesn't recycle environments that much and there are less bugs there.

[Lumikki]

Many games it does take a while to get in, so people should not judge so hard after few tries. Example I had really hard time to learn Jade Empire combat system, but when I finaly did, game wasn't bad at all.

Now, OP did make one point what I agree. Cool factor is fine as little bit over done animation, style and graphics, but it gets down if it's too much used and too much over done. Meaning, game doesn't really get better just from over done graphics effects, styles and actions. Graphics effects has to be used right, so that it makes little bit sense.

Modifié par Lumikki, 19 mai 2011 - 10:52 .

[idiot2222]

Siegdrifa wrote...

You sure are welcom to express you opinion, but don't you think your opinion would be better and get more credit if it was more fom just a few minutes of gaming?
Just my opinion here  : )

You are of course right that i shouldnt judge the game by the first 10 minutes. But i dont. As i said, it could still be a good game. But i do think that the things i find bland or annoying will not suddenly become interesting. I mean, how long am i supposed to stare at a character selection screen of 6 identical twins before it becomes beautiful and interesting?

There might be an interesting story with great characters and whatever. Maybe there will even be some interesting or challenging fights. But i dont think there will be a different user interface or general combat gameplay/feel. Or are you saying there is ?

EDIT: And again, if i play the game more and my opinion indeed changes (maybe after some time i will see how incredibly interesting and cool rushing up on things and watching them explode is), i will be happy to write this here, too. .

Modifié par idiot2222, 19 mai 2011 - 11:09 .

[Firefeng]

Addai67 wrote...
But in passing I mentioned the free DA2 demo and guess what game DA2 reminded him off...?    He said the game is essentially an upgraded Diablo II.   Now how is that for a back fire!?

A...back fire?  Diablo II is one of the most popular RPGs of all time.  (Although with the near-insantaneous response to skill usage and almost hack-and-slash gameplay, I can definitely see this relation, even if the top-down camera and addictive loot spawning was absent.  *sigh*)  

Slightly more on-topic, the only problems I had with the game were the recycled areas and the inability to make choices that have a tangible effect on the plot.  Ferelden was quite a bit different at the end depending on your choices, even if the flow of the game still played out the same way.  In DA2, you're pretty much left with the same ending regardless of what you do; the only real changes come from who's left in your party at the final battle.  

The gibbing was...horribly cartoonish, I'll admit.  If Bioware wanted a mature, bloody game, they could have gotten far more creative with the death animations.  I miss being able to stab things in the chest with one sword and lop their head off with the other.  

Modifié par Firefeng, 19 mai 2011 - 11:02 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

idiot2222 wrote...

I dont understand? Clearly, saying "i dont like this" is a statement of opinion and not a statement of facts. Is it not allowed to post opinions here ?

You should probably be warned that the current poster quality here at the BSN forum is such that posting a negative or even positive opinion about DA2 (no matter how valid) will automatically get you flamed or insulted by one or the other side of the 'fanbase'. Or just mocked/'eyerolled' by those who have nothing better to do. It seems to be the 'cool' thing to do right now.

The game might get better for me or it might not. My thanks to the one poster for pointing out that the RPG elements might make up for it. I will probably check it out and if it turns out that it is the greatest game ever i will be sure to correct myself here.

Good luck! IMO the RP kicks in once Hawke meets Varric. Quests open up, and you're not stuck in a small/linear starter area with only one or two objectives.

[Stippling]

@OP - I get the vibe that you don't realize that you get to customize your characters appearance after the tutorial (and that you're not chosing a predefined character, just your class)

Modifié par Stippling, 19 mai 2011 - 11:44 .

[Corto81]

Firefeng wrote...
A...back fire?  Diablo II is one of the most popular RPGs of all time.

Diablo II is one of the most popular games of all time.

However, it's not really an RPG at its core.

[Addai]

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A...back fire? Diablo II is one of the most popular RPGs of all time. (Although with the near-insantaneous response to skill usage and almost hack-and-slash gameplay, I can definitely see this relation, even if the top-down camera and addictive loot spawning was absent. *sigh*)
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(husband)

It's a back fire because while Diablo II was enormously popular there are some "RPGs" that really have no business being called "RPGs", because the only thing they have in common is "making a character, and leveling up". I don't remember a lot about playing that game 8 years ago, but the role playing aspects I do recall were extremely light. Really if that game could be called a "Role playing game" then a story driven RTS like the old Star Craft much more deserves that title; because there was just more there...

But anway for a Bioware game that suppose to be story and character driven to be compared to one of the epic hack and slash games of all time is, Epic Fail.. Because it's obvious the writers and designers pride themselves as being several cuts above that.


Oh and PS I do like DA2.

Modifié par Addai67, 19 mai 2011 - 12:00 .

[Big I]

Speaking as someone who was disappointed by DA2, I'd still recommend playing through it once if you're a Dragon Age fan. There are some interesting Origins cameos, more information on the qunari, and foreshadowing that sets up future Dragon Age storylines.

[Scottish TaZeR]

idiot2222 wrote...

played the game for roughly 10 minutes.

Its nothing on DA:O but its not that bad... 1 to 3 plays max tho...

[idiot2222]

Stippling wrote...

@OP - I get the vibe that you don't realize that you get to customize your characters appearance after the tutorial (and that you're not chosing a predefined character, just your class)

I do realize that. Maybe I should have been more clear on that. It is the same nice editor as always, i like it. But i dont see how it improves anything about the things i dont like.

[Elhanan]

idiot2222 wrote...

I do realize that. Maybe I should have been more clear on that. It is the same nice editor as always, i like it. But i dont see how it improves anything about the things i dont like.

Cause you don't have to play the samey six people anymore? Works for me, though I used default Male & Female Hawke once each.

[Onkelsander]

idiot2222 wrote...

 But i do think that the things i find bland or annoying will not suddenly become interesting. I mean, how long am i supposed to stare at a character selection screen of 6 identical twins before it becomes beautiful and interesting?

I dont mean to nitpick, I really don't, but I think Stippling  was talking about this statement.... If you already know that the first screen is actually a class picking screen and that you will be able to customize your appearance later on then what I just quoted makes no sense...

Either way everyone has their own taste and opinion, my wife for example can usually tell if she likes something(game, move, book) very early on, I on the other often use alot more time before I can make up my mind... Dont know which camp you are in but I'd say play it some more either way!