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[idiot2222]

Elhanan wrote...

idiot2222 wrote...

I do realize that. Maybe I should have been more clear on that. It is the same nice editor as always, i like it. But i dont see how it improves anything about the things i dont like.

Cause you don't have to play the samey six people anymore? Works for me, though I used default Male & Female Hawke once each.

Well, as i said... when choosing my character i didnt feel like it made any difference. Choosing a different beard for him didnt change that feeling.

[Wozearly]

idiot2222 wrote...

You are of course right that i shouldnt judge the game by the first 10 minutes. But i dont. As i said, it could still be a good game. But i do think that the things i find bland or annoying will not suddenly become interesting. I mean, how long am i supposed to stare at a character selection screen of 6 identical twins before it becomes beautiful and interesting?

There might be an interesting story with great characters and whatever. Maybe there will even be some interesting or challenging fights. But i dont think there will be a different user interface or general combat gameplay/feel. Or are you saying there is ?

EDIT: And again, if i play the game more and my opinion indeed changes (maybe after some time i will see how incredibly interesting and cool rushing up on things and watching them explode is), i will be happy to write this here, too. .

The tutorial doesn't show you anything from the RPG side, which does get better (although not, IMO, to Origins levels). However, the action and 'feel' of the battle sequences doesn't change. Some bits get more technically challenging, but what you get shown in the tutorial is what you'll see repeatedly throughout.

I was relatively disappointed in the early stages, but the game grew on me to an extent - although during Act 2, I was already starting to find the minor grumbles becoming more and more notable by sheer dint of repetition. It was a markedly different experience to Origins, where by the end of the origin sequence I was completely hooked on all of the game's aspects that far in...and even in replays, taking the character down different path had a markedly different feel to the visible outcomes even where the overall journey was the same.

DA2 hasn't made that connection and, arguably, gave up trying to given the limited time available for development. Massive opportunity wasted. I also wasn't over enamoured of the new combat system, which dulled my interest in further playthroughs since the RPG-lite approach meant that most of the unique elements in character progression are drilled down into your talent build...and the only way that impacts the game is in the combat sequences.

[Elhanan]

idiot2222 wrote...

Well, as i said... when choosing my character i didnt feel like it made any difference. Choosing a different beard for him didnt change that feeling.

er... you can change the Pre-set face, too. Personally, I made my Warrior Hawke look much like one of my Warden's from DAO.

[Dubya75]

idiot2222 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

He came. He Saw. He went home. Epic.....

Found this again. Some may find it informative; others entertaining, as it gave me a chuckle:

http://pbskids.org/a.../factsopinions/

I dont understand? Clearly, saying "i dont like this" is a statement of opinion and not a statement of facts. Is it not allowed to post opinions here ?

The game might get better for me or it might not. My thanks to the one poster for pointing out that the RPG elements might make up for it. I will probably check it out and if it turns out that it is the greatest game ever i will be sure to correct myself here.

Sure everyone is entitled to their opinion of the game. But after playing 10 minutes? You did not even understand why there were 6 characters displayed where you choose your class and gender. You've clearly not given the game a fair chance which is why your opinion is somewhat questionable. Your avatar name may also reveal something about you...so don't expect too many people to take your "opinion" of the game seriously.

Modifié par Dubya75, 19 mai 2011 - 02:42 .

[idiot2222]

Sure everyone is entitled to their opinion of the game. But after playing 10 minutes? You did not even understand why there were 6 characters displayed where you choose your class and gender.

What about it did i not understand ?

[SmokeyTheBear]

Alright. My only comment is: Play the game more, and level up a bit.

The tutorial has you set at a high level, with six abilities. You will eventually get more.

The movement is so fast because the console version of DA:O was sluggish, and Bioware had to compensate between PC and console. I haven't played either on a computer, but have played both on X-Box, and I enjoy DA2's combat a bit more.

You have to play more than ten minutes to be able to correctly judge a game. That's like playing Halo: Combat Evolved for the first time, never hearing about it, and just playing the part when Master Chief doesn't have a gun and can't do anything to fight.

[SilentK]

Give it a try =) I have seen 3 Hawkes through the game and love it to bits. But you haven't seen your future companions yet. There are lots left to do. Well, you might not come to love it like I did but you will have seen the game a bit more then.

I have tried to get my husband to play ME1. He only did got to the part when Shep, Ash and Kaidan gets on the train to follow Saren. I would give you the same advice that I gave him, give it a little more time =)

It might not be your game but who know, it could be really really fun.

[TaHol]

I'm not a huge fan of DA2, but I find it quite amusing that you rant about bland looking character, when you never got so far as to character creation screen, and if you got so far, you didn't understand what it is.

I demand a *facepalm* emoticon here.

Modifié par TaHol, 19 mai 2011 - 05:47 .

[oldmansavage]

Go with your gut feeling and quit while you're ahead because it only gets worse.  Hopefully you didn't get it on PC because all you have now is a 60 dollar coaster.

[TheTranzor]

Tears on the OP's pillow.  Srsly. 
Ahem... play the game, then make up your mind.  I would recommend playing through until at least Act 1.  If you still majorly cry-into-my-pillow dissapointed, then stop playing there.  Through Act 1 tells you what you need to know about story direction and such.

[Nashiktal]

Well here is my opinion.

I liked DA2.

It needed more dev time.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Save yourself. And don't look Lacklaw in the eyes on your way out. If you ever gaze in his eyes, he will suck all the talent out of you -- so it is written.

You... you wouldn't want that to happen. After he sucks your talent entirely from your soul, you will become a husk, a shadow of your former self, and worst of all, you might start liking Dragon Age 2.

It is said that those who roam the forums in adoration for this terrible sequel have all had their souls drained of talent by Lacklaw. *shudder*

Modifié par JabbaDaHutt30, 20 mai 2011 - 05:37 .

[Halo Quea]

Here's the issue. Many of us have played DA2 and already KNOW that the OP is going to be disappointed if he continues to play.

While it is amusing that he didn't make it to the character screen, I won't be hypocrite and tell him to keep playing so that he can formulate a better informed opinion. If he hates this thing even before character customization, it's not going to get any better for him after he creates his character's face.

Spoken completely in hindsight, I need more than 10 minutes to make up my mind about a game, but the OP is right to move on and spare himself any further frustration. lol

[idiot2222]

Halo Quea wrote...

Here's the issue. Many of us have played DA2 and already KNOW that the OP is going to be disappointed if he continues to play.

While it is amusing that he didn't make it to the character screen, I won't be hypocrite and tell him to keep playing so that he can formulate a better informed opinion. If he hates this thing even before character customization, it's not going to get any better for him after he creates his character's face.

Spoken completely in hindsight, I need more than 10 minutes to make up my mind about a game, but the OP is right to move on and spare himself any further frustration. lol

That is quite a negative opinion of the game. I still hope that some of the other changes and problems will not be such a big problem for me.

Where did you get the notion that i didnt make it to the character customization ?

Modifié par idiot2222, 20 mai 2011 - 06:41 .

[Drachasor]

Halo Quea wrote...

Here's the issue. Many of us have played DA2 and already KNOW that the OP is going to be disappointed if he continues to play.

The game is severely lacking in story, meaningful decisions, and environmental design.  Combat design is rushed and messy too.  Hard to point to anything good about the game that doesn't have significant problems.  Oh, the voice acting is good (rather mitigated by the story being awful).  Companion banter is good too (same problem though).

[Kidd]

Keep playing. Once you get out of the tutorial then things will feel that much better =)

I really think BioWare screwed up bad by the introduction sequence. And I'm saying this as a person who likes DA2 better than DA:O. Having Varric's exaggerated gameplay is a nice story mechanic that's absolutely hilarious in the game, wish there was more of it. *But* it really shouldn't have been the very first thing a player sees when playing the game. The game seems so much more like an action game with bad controls instead of an rpg with responsive controls in that intro.

What's more, not choosing your looks until later sucks bad too. Makes you feel distanced to Hawke, as if she wasn't your character. Sticking a helmet on the character until later worked in ME2 and I wonder what you could do in a fantasy setting to get a similar effect really - can't see any class but warrior fitting with a tutorial helmet that covers the entire face.

Of course, it doesn't help that the whole Blightlands sequence is somewhat lackluster when you do get into the game, but at least it's a lot better than what you were just playing. But when you still feel this is an action game with bad controls, being put in the "real world" with this action game with bad controls and only one skill sucks a lot. It will probably take a while of playing until the player realises "wait, this is almost exactly as DAO, only the animations aren't sluggish and we have some new animations when closing in on enemies".

[anzolino]

I don't like this:
social.bioware.com/uploads_group/5000/4366/27863.jpg

Modifié par anzolino, 21 mai 2011 - 01:46 .

[Marionetten]

The game doesn't get better. If anything, it gets successively worse with each act. By the third act it's a complete and utter train wreck in just about every single department. Forget about exploration, challenging combat and rewarding character progression. None of it exists in this game. You'll spend the entirety of the experience in the exceedingly cramped Kirkwall and its bland surroundings sloshing your way through waves of uninspired opponents and recycled dungeons while getting a skill upgrade here and there. That is the extent of it and boy is it heartbreaking.

Spare yourself the headache and just wait for Dragon Age III. There are far better options available.

Modifié par Marionetten, 21 mai 2011 - 01:50 .

[Radwar]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Keep playing. Once you get out of the tutorial then things will feel that much better =)

I really think BioWare screwed up bad by the introduction sequence. And I'm saying this as a person who likes DA2 better than DA:O. Having Varric's exaggerated gameplay is a nice story mechanic that's absolutely hilarious in the game, wish there was more of it. *But* it really shouldn't have been the very first thing a player sees when playing the game. The game seems so much more like an action game with bad controls instead of an rpg with responsive controls in that intro.

What's more, not choosing your looks until later sucks bad too. Makes you feel distanced to Hawke, as if she wasn't your character. Sticking a helmet on the character until later worked in ME2 and I wonder what you could do in a fantasy setting to get a similar effect really - can't see any class but warrior fitting with a tutorial helmet that covers the entire face.

Of course, it doesn't help that the whole Blightlands sequence is somewhat lackluster when you do get into the game, but at least it's a lot better than what you were just playing. But when you still feel this is an action game with bad controls, being put in the "real world" with this action game with bad controls and only one skill sucks a lot. It will probably take a while of playing until the player realises "wait, this is almost exactly as DAO, only the animations aren't sluggish and we have some new animations when closing in on enemies".

They actually screwed up in almost every aspect of the game.

[kglaser]

lobi wrote...

I ate a chiken sandwich yesterday. I put mustard on it. Adventurous I am.

LOL!

edit:  And IMHO, the game is largely a great big facepalm-inducer, but I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy it somewhat.  Like I enjoy watching "Jerseylicious".  A guilty somewhat-pleasure.  I likes me some button-mashing mindless stuff sometimes, I guess.

Modifié par kglaser, 21 mai 2011 - 04:00 .

[Maria Caliban]

Elhanan wrote...

He came. He Saw. He went home. Epic.....

Found this again. Some may find it informative; others entertaining, as it gave me a chuckle:

http://pbskids.org/a.../factsopinions/

Cute.

Though he's wrong. Something can be factual even if you can't 'show' it. "I feel sad" is a fact, but there's no way for me to prove that it's true.

[tariq071]

Cut your losses and save yourself time by skipping this one.Use your time in more useful manner.

Buy that new RPG game that just came out and enjoy real game.Just first area there has more details then whole DA2 altogether, sadly..difference between those 2 is like between Aston Martin and Yugo.

[Sabariel]

Elhanan wrote...
He came. He Saw. He went home. Epic.....

...DA2 in a nutshell *shot*

[Elhanan]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Cute.

Thanks! Many do not get past the whole age difference thing....

Though he's wrong. Something can be factual even if you can't 'show' it. "I feel sad" is a fact, but there's no way for me to prove that it's true.

The OP may not like it, and is entitled to an opinion. However, if one seems fit to place it out there in a public forum, I would advise making it an informed opinion; something worth defending. As far as I can tell, the OP simply kills Varric for telling a whopper, and bypasses the story and actual game mechanics altogether.

My minor post simply reflects the same amount of effort that went into the original review.