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[idiot2222]

Elhanan wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Cute.

Thanks! Many do not get past the whole age difference thing....

Though he's wrong. Something can be factual even if you can't 'show' it. "I feel sad" is a fact, but there's no way for me to prove that it's true.

The OP may not like it, and is entitled to an opinion. However, if one seems fit to place it out there in a public forum, I would advise making it an informed opinion; something worth defending. As far as I can tell, the OP simply kills Varric for telling a whopper, and bypasses the story and actual game mechanics altogether.

My minor post simply reflects the same amount of effort that went into the original review.

Quite clearly i didnt write a review.

I wrote my opinion about very specific design decisions, which i dont happen to support, on this forum. Not to defend this opinion against anyone, but to make it clear that I, as a customer, would like to have them make a different decision in the next game.

I intentionally made it very clear that i only played the game 10 minutes because this makes clear just how much i  dislike these specific decisions.

Im quite surprised at the amount of people who feel the need to post silly or random stuff, put words in my mouth to burn a strawman or amuse themselves or whatever.

That being said, thanks again to those who remained sensible and respectful and pointed out some remedies, especially the mod to remove the explosions.

[Firefeng]

idiot2222 wrote...

I intentionally made it very clear that i only played the game 10 minutes because this makes clear just how much i  dislike these specific decisions.

Really, the only problem I have with your comment is this:

I once read Voltaire's Candide for 10 minutes and thought it boring.  

Then I read the rest of the book and found it terribly likeable.  Do you honestly believe that your opinion of a product holds much merit given your limited amount of contact with it?  Your post deals less with DA2, and more with your own personal inclination towards certain thematic elements, which holds no bearing towards the quality of any given entertainment.  

About the only thing that can be derived from your comment is this:  "Bioware needs to work on its opening hook to immediately interest the player, rather than expecting that they will continue playing in the hopes that said product becomes entertaining."  

[idiot2222]

Firefeng wrote...

idiot2222 wrote...

I intentionally made it very clear that i only played the game 10 minutes because this makes clear just how much i  dislike these specific decisions.

Really, the only problem I have with your comment is this:

I once read Voltaire's Candide for 10 minutes and thought it boring.  

Then I read the rest of the book and found it terribly likeable.  Do you honestly believe that your opinion of a product holds much merit given your limited amount of contact with it?  Your post deals less with DA2, and more with your own personal inclination towards certain thematic elements, which holds no bearing towards the quality of any given entertainment.  

About the only thing that can be derived from your comment is this:  "Bioware needs to work on its opening hook to immediately interest the player, rather than expecting that they will continue playing in the hopes that said product becomes entertaining."  

I read a book once and didnt like the font after ten minutes. I continued reading for a whole month. The book was good, but i still didnt like the font then.

Modifié par idiot2222, 21 mai 2011 - 04:17 .

[Elhanan]

idiot2222 wrote...

Quite clearly i didnt write a review.

I wrote my opinion about very specific design decisions, which i dont happen to support, on this forum. Not to defend this opinion against anyone, but to make it clear that I, as a customer, would like to have them make a different decision in the next game.

I intentionally made it very clear that i only played the game 10 minutes because this makes clear just how much i  dislike these specific decisions.

Im quite surprised at the amount of people who feel the need to post silly or random stuff, put words in my mouth to burn a strawman or amuse themselves or whatever.

That being said, thanks again to those who remained sensible and respectful and pointed out some remedies, especially the mod to remove the explosions.

Described as kind of a rant, it was not clear at all to me as to what the OP would be defined.

I once quit Hillsfar after nearly spending the same amount of time; then tried again later. It was indeed as bad as I thought. What was not done was publically post a Kind of a Rant to air my feelings; simply replayed it on my own to better gain insight, and to form an informed opinion.

What the OP has done is to either indicate the lack of effort described in the post, or reinforce the negative opinions already held.

For myself, this link now seems to be spot on:

http://en.wikipedia....nfirmation_bias

[idiot2222]

Elhanan wrote...

idiot2222 wrote...

Quite clearly i didnt write a review.

I wrote my opinion about very specific design decisions, which i dont happen to support, on this forum. Not to defend this opinion against anyone, but to make it clear that I, as a customer, would like to have them make a different decision in the next game.

I intentionally made it very clear that i only played the game 10 minutes because this makes clear just how much i  dislike these specific decisions.

Im quite surprised at the amount of people who feel the need to post silly or random stuff, put words in my mouth to burn a strawman or amuse themselves or whatever.

That being said, thanks again to those who remained sensible and respectful and pointed out some remedies, especially the mod to remove the explosions.

Described as kind of a rant, it was not clear at all to me as to what the OP would be defined.

I once quit Hillsfar after nearly spending the same amount of time; then tried again later. It was indeed as bad as I thought. What was not done was publically post a Kind of a Rant to air my feelings; simply replayed it on my own to better gain insight, and to form an informed opinion.

What the OP has done is to either indicate the lack of effort described in the post, or reinforce the negative opinions already held.

For myself, this link now seems to be spot on:

http://en.wikipedia....nfirmation_bias

I dont need to play the game for longer than 10 minutes to see that i dont like the interface and the way the combat feels. Just as i dont need to read  a book for a long time to know that i dont like the font that is being used.

Your link regarding "Confirmation Bias" is interesting. Confirmation Bias is something all humans are more or less subject to. The gist of it is that humans are likely to judge and process new information in a way that reinforces opinions they have already formed. Are you aware that this suggests that "gathering more information" by playing more would be very unlikely to change my opinion and as such this link invalidates your own advice ? That is quite funny .

But probably the point of this link, just as the last link you posted, where you wrongly tried to imply that i was stating opinion as facts, is to somehow try to discredit my opinion. Why do you feel the need to do that? It is really not a nice thing to do, even if you do it by posting links.

[Aetika]

Actually I disliked the game at first sight and I also thought there will be no character customization. I was very angry about that cause I thought I will be stuck with some short haired default Hawke. But then I just...got used to new style and certain things didn´t bother me anymore. I still think that Origins are much better game, but I like DA2 too. I would also recommend to play longer as there is almost no interesting content in prologue, just preview of battle style.

[Elhanan]

idiot2222 wrote...

I dont need to play the game for longer than 10 minutes to see that i dont like the interface and the way the combat feels. Just as i dont need to read  a book for a long time to know that i dont like the font that is being used.

Your link regarding "Confirmation Bias" is interesting. Confirmation Bias is something all humans are more or less subject to. The gist of it is that humans are likely to judge and process new information in a way that reinforces opinions they have already formed. Are you aware that this suggests that "gathering more information" by playing more would be very unlikely to change my opinion and as such this link invalidates your own advice ? That is quite funny .

But probably the point of this link, just as the last link you posted, where you wrongly tried to imply that i was stating opinion as facts, is to somehow try to discredit my opinion. Why do you feel the need to do that? It is really not a nice thing to do, even if you do it by posting links.

Agreed; one does not need to play for longer than 10 minutes to form an opinion. However, one might need to do so to form an informed opinion.

As the OP suggests, pre-formed opinions were already made before actually starting the game. And other than the tutorial - an exaggerated version of the game (unless one actually believes they will go fron a single Talent to half a dozen, instant Stamina and Health Regen, etc) - very little could be seen.

As for the OP, you seemingly have no facts to post, and I am becoming rather apethetic to the notion whether you continue to play or not. But if you wish to form an opinion of worth, try again for your sake.

Modifié par Elhanan, 21 mai 2011 - 07:20 .

[idiot2222]

Elhanan wrote...
As for the OP, you seemingly have no facts to post, and I am becoming rather apethetic to the notion whether you continue to play or not. But if you wish to form an opinion of worth, try again for your sake.

What is it with you and "facts"? This is a thread about opinions. Please read your own links.

Furthermore, whether i continue to play or not has never been the issue here. I wrote in my very first post:

I will probably play this game and enjoy it somewhat. And of course my
opinion on these things might change. Or it might even be a great game
despite these issues.

I repeated this all through the thread. Is it because of "confirmation bias" that you didnt notice it  ?

[HTTP 404]

just return the game. its obviously not for you, idiot (thats your name, not calling you a name)

[Elhanan]

The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions. - Leonardo da Vinci

[idiot2222]

"He wrapped himself in quotations- as a beggar would enfold himself in the
purple of Emperors."


-- Rudyard Kipling

[Elhanan]

A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams

[oldmansavage]

idiot2222 wrote...


"He wrapped himself in quotations- as a beggar would enfold himself in the
purple of Emperors."


-- Rudyard Kipling

Haha, love it.

[catofnine]

idiot2222 wrote...


"He wrapped himself in quotations- as a beggar would enfold himself in the
purple of Emperors."


-- Rudyard Kipling

So have you gotten any further in the game? 

[idiot2222]

catofnine wrote...

So have you gotten any further in the game? 

Yeah, a little.
I am now at a point shortly after meeting Varrick. So still not really much farther into the game. I like Varrick and some of the inside references i have noticed. The skill trees look interesting to play with. I will have to explore them.


But (probably due to confirmation bias) i still dont like the pace and style of the whole combat part of the game, even though there is a little less exploding. And I am really sad that they didnt just keep the tried-and-true interface of the first part and instead went with the console look&feel there, too (shops, etc.). It seemed more practical to me (on a PC). Maybe that is just nostalgia though .

Modifié par idiot2222, 21 mai 2011 - 08:23 .

[elearon1]

You played it for ten minutes and decided it was Diablo 3? Despite the fact that I actually had fun in the tutorial, (not roleplaying fun, but kill kill fun) I would really recommend playing the game into Act 1 a bit before you decide you don't like it. There were a lot of things done right in this game, even if you don't like the combat, new art style and limited map design. The characters are fun and interesting, the stories (yes, there is one story per chapter basically) are mostly good - though Act 3 is a bit of a let down after the awesome of Act 2 - and the more personal focus of the game really got me into the character more. The first time I'd played through Act 2 I was amazed at how awesome the game was up to that point.

If you don't like change, of course, you're not going to like it much ... but give it a chance (certainly more than 10 minutes) and it may well surprise you.

[catofnine]

idiot2222 wrote...

catofnine wrote...

So have you gotten any further in the game? 

Yeah, a little.
I am now at a point shortly after meeting Varrick. So still not really much farther into the game. I like Varrick and some of the inside references i have noticed. The skill trees look interesting to play with. I will have to explore them.


But (probably due to confirmation bias) i still dont like the pace and style of the whole combat part of the game, even though there is a little less exploding. And I am really sad that they didnt just keep the tried-and-true interface of the first part and instead went with the console look&feel there, too (shops, etc.). It seemed more practical to me (on a PC). Maybe that is just nostalgia though .

Eh, the exploding stays.  Took me a while to get used to the combat, what with the waves and assassins that steal all your health potions, oneshot your healer and seemingly to have really short cooldowns on their abilities (playing on nightmare, I don't know how it is on other modes.) 

Yet, I came around to the combat oddly enough.  Learned to associate whistles and shouts with more hostile reinforcements, expect enemies to jump down from rooftops in the worst parts of towns, keep an eye out for the assassins and kill them on sight and so on. 

I played Origins on nightmare, and it was nowhere near the challenge that it is on DA2.   Exception might be the Harvester fight in Golems of Amgacrap.  I find myself playing a much more micromanaged and tactical game here.  Might be due to my dislike of DA2 tactics AI and/or the party I'm running.   I'm playing a two handed warrior and have to be careful with where I swing my sword, but at the same time I finally got to play a two hander that I've always wanted, but never got in Origins.  Execution of moves are faster, but the combat actually feels slower to me because of all the pausing and reassessing I do whenever the battlefield changes.  Hope that makes sense.  I have to be a lot more mindful of party positioning and aoe.  Couple of missteps and I'm looking at hitting the reload button.  Yeah, DA2 is more action oriented, but it's still a tactical game to me. 

There's good, there's bad.  I love, love, love my 2handed warrior.  20 hrs in, I'm still fighting with the locked and limited camera.  I like my new companions and find their party banter hilarious.  Dislike the limited interactions you have with them.  Like the references to Origins and seeing crafty old Flemeth made me smile.  So far there's more good than bad for me.

Like what some of the others have said: the story and characters open up as you go along.  If after a time the combat is still not to your liking, play it on casual and breeze through it for whatever you can get out of the story.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Elhanan wrote...

A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams

Point. Proving it...

[JabbaDaHutt30]

idiot2222 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...
As for the OP, you seemingly have no facts to post, and I am becoming rather apethetic to the notion whether you continue to play or not. But if you wish to form an opinion of worth, try again for your sake.

What is it with you and "facts"? This is a thread about opinions. Please read your own links.

Furthermore, whether i continue to play or not has never been the issue here. I wrote in my very first post:

I will probably play this game and enjoy it somewhat. And of course my
opinion on these things might change. Or it might even be a great game
despite these issues.

I repeated this all through the thread. Is it because of "confirmation bias" that you didnt notice it  ?

You have to realize that Elhunan invades every thread not overwhelmingly positive about the game and insults every person who holds such a view.

Modifié par JabbaDaHutt30, 22 mai 2011 - 02:54 .

[Elhanan]

The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions. - Leonardo da Vinci

[Phaedros]

Elhanan wrote...

The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions. - Leonardo da Vinci

So we've noticed..

[Dee Cazo]

Loved the first Dragon Age and I love the second.

I would gladly buy a Dragon Age Origins remake with this gameplay and the conversation wheel and be twice as happy.

My only complaint was the absurd amount of bugs and glitches that came across. I for one never met Isabella EVER?

[Elhanan]

Phaedros wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions. - Leonardo da Vinci

So we've noticed..

But at least my opinions are formed on my own; not pressed from the same sour grapes to make whine....

[Oloria]

OP - IMO, if you don't like the combat, graphics and interface after the first half an hour to hour of gameplay, you are probably not going to start liking it later on.

There is more to DA2 than just those elements though. I disliked the combat (but then I tend to get bored by combat in most PC games, including the prequel to DA2), so I simply turned the mode down to casual, and burned my way through it as fast as possible. One change in DA2 compared to DAO is that there are no huge, marathon dungeons. You might find this to your advantage if you do dislike the combat as it is broken up with story and RP progress more frequently. If you start to dislike the story also, then well, DA2 probably isn't the RPG for you.

Not sure what to suggest regarding the graphis or interface - perhaps you can find mods to change those more to your tastes?

Summary: persevere, even if you continue to find combat not to your preferences. I didn't like the combat either, but for me, the story, companion dialog and quests, NPC banter, more than made up for it.

Modifié par Oloria, 22 mai 2011 - 05:56 .