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[AdmiralCheez]

@Kogaion: By offensive, you mean another person expressed romantic interest in you and then got miffed when you turned them down? Oh, boo hoo. Additionally, bisexual =/= ******/lesbo. I should know because I am one. Oh, and after the asari shenanigans, I think you fellas have it coming. At least once.

Personally, I want to know why you have a problem with giving people the option to make Shepard gay or bisexual when you can swap genders with the click of a button and screw aliens. I mean, really, what's more unsettling: a man that loves another man or this... thing that can change between male and female that runs around boning dinosaurs in space?

Romance is Bioware's trademark. Deal.

[Sylvanpyxie]

and looking at how lesbian action was forced on female players in ME1 (consort..Liara) <- I've played many Renegade/Paragon Ladies through ME1 and 2 and never have I once fallen into a "romance trap" with any Asari.

I have no problem with Shepard getting some man-love, personally. Just as long as the entire cast/crew personalities don't get shafted (pardon the pun) with a Bi-Sexual label.

[sevalaricgirl]

SennenScale wrote...

I feel punked. I thought you were going to ask about how changing Shepard's class or face would work in ME3 without the dying thing...

Those of us who want the S/S don't want your personal Shepard to be forced into an M/M scene if you don't want it. Believe me, as someone who got unwillingly sexed by the consort just because I felt snappish.

And we are cool will making a new character gay or bisexual if that's the way it goes.

No but if they change existing characters to be bi/gay, then they're doing the same thing.  They're changing them to suit 3% of the target audience.  I agree with the OP completely.

[AdmiralCheez]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

No but if they change existing characters to be bi/gay, then they're doing the same thing.  They're changing them to suit 3% of the target audience.  I agree with the OP completely.

I don't think you have to worry.  Kaidan will still very much like girls, and even if he started liking guys, too, it'd only be if you played a male Shepard and actively pursued him as a love interest.

Although I'd prefer it if the new m/m options actually came from a new character.  To avoid the fan-rage since, you know, allowing the other gender of Shepard to romance your favorite LI is akin to them cheating on you or something...

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 19 mai 2011 - 12:41 .

[Fdingo]

I actually don't see how they've changed Shepard. It can be easily argued that If Shepard didn't get together with a male character in the previous games it just means that the other male characters are not interested. Also, romancing female characters does not necessarily mean that Shepard is not bi. As for changing other characters...hmm, it would need some good writing.

[sevalaricgirl]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

No but if they change existing characters to be bi/gay, then they're doing the same thing.  They're changing them to suit 3% of the target audience.  I agree with the OP completely.

I don't think you have to worry.  Kaidan will still very much like girls, and even if he started liking guys, too, it'd only be if you played a male Shepard and actively pursued him as a love interest.

That's NOT how DA2 was written and the ME team is already going the DA route.  So no, it will be obvious that Kaidan was picked as bi if the writers make it so,  You can't pick Shepard is straight on setup and the writers are not going to write different scripts for Kaidan being straight/Kaidan being gay and have it clearly defined.  And not only that, this forum will complete go ape sh*t when the s/s romances are announced and it will ruin the game for me which is why I'm not pre-ordering it.  I will not blindly buy this game like I did DA2.

[AdmiralCheez]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

That's NOT how DA2 was written and the ME team is already going the DA route.  So no, it will be obvious that Kaidan was picked as bi if the writers make it so,  You can't pick Shepard is straight on setup and the writers are not going to write different scripts for Kaidan being straight/Kaidan being gay and have it clearly defined.  And not only that, this forum will complete go ape sh*t when the s/s romances are announced and it will ruin the game for me which is why I'm not pre-ordering it.  I will not blindly buy this game like I did DA2.

There have been a lot of complaints about ninjamances, so that will probably be fixed.

I also find it humorous that you are scared of teh gai but advocate polyandry in your signature.

[Bearcut]

Leave Shepard alone! LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!

[ElitePinecone]

I'm mystified about the ruining thing.

Are people so insecure that a hint of homosexuality in their video games sends them literally insane?

Ignore it, deal with it, get over it, whatever, and enjoy a wonderful game. A few minutes of dialogue shouldn't define a 40-hour video game. Taking umbrage over an option given to other players that you aren't forced to encounter is both pretentious and unreasonable.

[Bearcut]

The fact that people can change or can develop a sexual interest overtime destroys the OP's entire argument.

[Fault Girl]

Unlike in real life, you can choose your sexuality in Mass Effect. So one persons Shepard may be gay but yours is not. No harm done.

3% is still a number and even as a straight girl I still like to play S/S in games due to me liking the characters.

The only issue I'm worried about is them mkaing everyone bi such as DA2 or characters in my mind who wouldn't fit my perception of being bi/gay.

I would prefer new PC's to fit the bill.

Modifié par ZombieGeisha, 19 mai 2011 - 12:59 .

[Nohvarr]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

That's NOT how DA2 was written and the ME team is already going the DA route. 

 
Prove it, how exactly is ME 3 writing going the DA 2 route?

  And not only that, this forum will complete go ape sh*t when the s/s romances are announced and it will ruin the game for me which is why I'm not pre-ordering it.  I will not blindly buy this game like I did DA2.

Good, you shouldn't blindly buy any game. There are plenty of popular, well done games that hold little interest for me. Diablo, Borderlands, and Uncharted: Drakes Fortune to name a few. You should always research a game and decide if you want what's offered.

I've pre-ordered Infamous 2 because the game looks like something I'd enjoy, I haven't pre-ordered Deus Ex: Human Revolution because I still have questions about the level design, characters and augmentations.

I do take issue though with comparisions to DA 2. ME 3 is getting more dev time than DA 2, they're putting back in some of the RPG elements people lamented the loss of, they're offering a wider variety of areas that include a verticle element (ladders to reach those sniping positions), they've increased weapon custimoization (It modifies the weapons stats, and how it looks), and it's made by a different team (see Prince Of Persia: Forgotten sands vs. Assassins Creed 2 for an example).

Will the boards go crazy, yeah but they always do. Will the game be any good, yes because the ME team has generally done good work (see ME 2 and Lair of the Shadow Broker for examples). Will you like it, don't know, but I doubt it'll cause as much trouble in the long run as people fear.

[Ozzelll]

Gaaah. Why don't people understand that Shepard is NOT PREDEFINED! If you want to make Shepard gay/lesbian then he/she is. If you don't, then he/she is not.

Modifié par Ozzelll, 19 mai 2011 - 01:03 .

[Fyk0]

I guess everyone remembers the tone how female Shepard starts a conversation with Jacob in Normandy.

Not that I didn't mind myself at all, but now I can't get out of my mind a thought male shep will talk to guys with that same winky tone for now.

Oh well, gonna keep playing only female sheps anyway.

Modifié par Fyk0, 19 mai 2011 - 01:05 .

[Kogaion]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

" I've played many Renegade/Paragon Ladies through ME1 and 2 and never have I once fallen into a "romance trap" with any Asari."


wrong.... if you choose the renegade way with Asari Consort after doing her quests you fall into a sex scene with her not romance ...regardless of your gender ..try again i'm not making it up

but the problem is ofc not that shepard will be ****** is that popular chars like Garrus will be tranformed into 1 just to appease the  minority  ...anyway i'm against  more LIs that allready are , since it feels that became the most important thing in ME univers 
 DA2 have so many lows that  i can say is the worse game in the history of gaming BASED on expectations and what they delivered ... BUT  it had  all kind of homosexual "romances"  ..that's so nice 

i will still play ME3 ..for closure ( i will not buy it  before playing it ) i woun't make the same mistake as i did with DA2

Modifié par Kogaion, 19 mai 2011 - 03:26 .

[Kogaion]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

@Kogaion: By offensive, you mean another person expressed romantic interest in you and then got miffed when you turned them down? Oh, boo hoo. Additionally, bisexual =/= ******/lesbo. I should know because I am one. Oh, and after the asari shenanigans, I think you fellas have it coming. At least once.

Personally, I want to know why you have a problem with giving people the option to make Shepard gay or bisexual when you can swap genders with the click of a button and screw aliens. I mean, really, what's more unsettling: a man that loves another man or this... thing that can change between male and female that runs around boning dinosaurs in space?

Romance is Bioware's trademark. Deal.

i thought the "trademark" of Bioware was to make an exciting  and epic  storyline ...but maybe you're right  virtual romancing becomes their "trademark" from now on ...you obviosly don't have the DA2 fiasco experience ...cause if you do and still think  that concentrating on MORE LIs!!!!  is the best ...well no comment

[Puzzlewell]

It amuses the hell out of me that so many people baaaawing about the s/s relations automatically assume it's either straight<-->gay. Sexuality is not that black and white. There is a massive amount of grey area. Bisexuality, pansexuality, asexuality, none of those fall under the hard black and white of it.

PS: ShepHARDER. :3 I had to...

Modifié par CalamityRanger, 19 mai 2011 - 03:38 .

[Sylvanpyxie]

How exactly am i wrong?

No offense or anything but all i did was point out that in my opinion, and my experience, there aren't any "sexy traps" and if there are, they are easily avoided.

Yes, the Renegade option with the Asari consort easily leads you into a "sexy time" scene which is *completely* and *utterly* obvious.. Which is exactly why anyone that doesn't want to end up face first between an Asari's legs can choose the neutral option.

Call me crazy but i'm more than willing to give up a whole 10 Renegade points to avoid a "sex scene" that i don't want to see. If you're Earth Born/Ruthless the loss of points won't matter because in the next hour of play-time you'll have maxed out your Renegade anyway.  Infact it doesn't matter even if you aren't. It's such a minor loss.

If you simply can't figure out the para-phrasing, mixed with the fact the Consort basically makes a living off selling sex (and yes, company/companionship) then something is wrong with you, if you simply refuse to give up the Renegade points then it's your own problem.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 19 mai 2011 - 03:52 .

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Depends on how they handle it, honestly.

I'm fine with getting hit on by gay men in the game, but if I have to act like a ****** in order to turn them down, I won't be happy. Bioware should give us three refusals and an option for furthering the romance: "I'm sorry, Not interested," "I don't swing that way," or "That's disgusting!" as your three main dialogue options, and a left-side option that accepts by saying "I really like you." My Shepard may not be gay, but he's not a homophobe either.

Funny how the OP thnks that giving us homosexual options in the game fundamentally changes Shepard's character. By that logic, every Shepard is an A-hole, every Shepard is considerate, kind and liberal, and every Shepard objects to human nationalistic sentiments while hypocritically supporting Terra Firma and distrusting all aliens. Yeah. Every Shepard also believes in both blind idealism and ruthless efficiency, idealism be damned. So every dialogue option is really a direct violation of Shepard's character, because nothing is in-character for him/her. Or maybe everything is? Depends...

[Rm80]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

By your logic, since Shepard can be female, all Shepards are shape-shifting hermaphrodites.

I, however, am quite pleased with the m/m option; it means I didn't give life to Freddie Shepard for nothing:



Roleplaying. Customization. Deal with it.

That is an awsome Shepard, now I want a real Freddie mustache for my Shep im Me3 and ofcourse fat bottomed girls because you make the rockin world go round

[Mr. MannlyMan]

^ Erm...

[Servo to the bitter end]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Depends on how they handle it, honestly.

I'm fine with getting hit on by gay men in the game, but if I have to act like a ****** in order to turn them down, I won't be happy. Bioware should give us three refusals and an option for furthering the romance: "I'm sorry, Not interested," "I don't swing that way," or "That's disgusting!" as your three main dialogue options, and a left-side option that accepts by saying "I really like you." My Shepard may not be gay, but he's not a homophobe either.

Funny how the OP thnks that giving us homosexual options in the game fundamentally changes Shepard's character. By that logic, every Shepard is an A-hole, every Shepard is considerate, kind and liberal, and every Shepard objects to human nationalistic sentiments while hypocritically supporting Terra Firma and distrusting all aliens. Yeah. Every Shepard also believes in both blind idealism and ruthless efficiency, idealism be damned. So every dialogue option is really a direct violation of Shepard's character, because nothing is in-character for him/her. Or maybe everything is? Depends...

This is a really kickass post.

That said, this conversation is probably better off in the stickied threat.

[Thompson family]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

By your logic, since Shepard can be female, all Shepards are shape-shifting hermaphrodites.

I, however, am quite pleased with the m/m option; it means I didn't give life to Freddie Shepard for nothing:



Roleplaying. Customization. Deal with it.

An excellent rendering there, Admiral.

[Kogaion]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

How exactly am i wrong?

No offense or anything but all i did was point out that in my opinion, and my experience, there aren't any "sexy traps" and if there are, they are easily avoided.

Yes, the Renegade option with the Asari consort easily leads you into a "sexy time" scene which is *completely* and *utterly* obvious.. Which is exactly why anyone that doesn't want to end up face first between an Asari's legs can choose the neutral option.

Call me crazy but i'm more than willing to give up a whole 10 Renegade points to avoid a "sex scene" that i don't want to see. If you're Earth Born/Ruthless the loss of points won't matter because in the next hour of play-time you'll have maxed out your Renegade anyway.  Infact it doesn't matter even if you aren't. It's such a minor loss.

If you simply can't figure out the para-phrasing, mixed with the fact the Consort basically makes a living off selling sex (and yes, company/companionship) then something is wrong with you, if you simply refuse to give up the Renegade points then it's your own problem.

i know i can't write well in english ( i'm not from a english speaking country) but i thought i was crear ...first time you play ME1 you DON"T  know that the renegade option with the Asari Consort  is going to led to a sex scene (aka a forced sex scene) ...and yes i don't choose that  anymore since i find it out of character for my renegade shepard ...i realy don't want to bed the citadel ****...and i don't care for her words either ...so i have to compliment her for what she said  to not get the sex scene ...pfff... too many words for such an important subject .. sry ma bad

[Erani]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Depends on how they handle it, honestly.

I'm fine with getting hit on by gay men in the game, but if I have to act like a ****** in order to turn them down, I won't be happy. Bioware should give us three refusals and an option for furthering the romance: "I'm sorry, Not interested," "I don't swing that way," or "That's disgusting!" as your three main dialogue options, and a left-side option that accepts by saying "I really like you." My Shepard may not be gay, but he's not a homophobe either.

Funny how the OP thnks that giving us homosexual options in the game fundamentally changes Shepard's character. By that logic, every Shepard is an A-hole, every Shepard is considerate, kind and liberal, and every Shepard objects to human nationalistic sentiments while hypocritically supporting Terra Firma and distrusting all aliens. Yeah. Every Shepard also believes in both blind idealism and ruthless efficiency, idealism be damned. So every dialogue option is really a direct violation of Shepard's character, because nothing is in-character for him/her. Or maybe everything is? Depends...

Well said. I believe the best way to implement s/s is to always have Shepard initiate romance with the appropriate (and obvious) flirt/love/romance line. However, if a character were to initiate romance I agree with your original point regarding this.

@OP 
There is already a thread to discuss same-sex romances and all discussion should go there. I'd just like to point out that this is a role playing game, and if I role play my Shepard as gay/bi/asexual/straight or a fish, it doesn't affect your Shepard at all. For those who would be uncomfortable being hit on by a male character, the best way to compromise on this is to have player initiated romance. Therefore, if you want to avoid teh gay, don't pursue a gay romance.
If your point is that just the fact that someone's Shepard COULD be gay in some playthrough somewhere on Earth is going to make YOUR Shepard gay, then I don't know what to say to that.