She said that Chantry authority supercedes the crown in the matter of Anders being a Grey Warden. That means the Chantry condoned her actions despite the King/Queen allowing Anders' conscription.
Why doesn't Meredith take issue with a mage Arl of Amaranthine?
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#27
Posté 19 mai 2011 - 11:07
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Or it means she thinks they would condone it.
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 11:08
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That's just her justification for her plan. That doesn't mean that anyone higher up in the Chantry orchestrated the trap. I don't see why anyone would either, she was only trying to recapture one Grey Warden mage. That doesn't sound like a big enough deal for anyone much higher than her to concern herself with.
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 11:12
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when the mage in question had escaped the Circle several times and was viewed as a murderer by Rylock, it does seem like a big deal. If the Chantry allowed him to stay there, what does that say about other mages who escape the Circle? That if they go to the Grey Wardens they'll be free of the Chantry forever.
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#30
Posté 19 mai 2011 - 11:15
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If the Wardens accept them, yes. Wardens aren't known for recruiting stray cats.
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#31
Posté 19 mai 2011 - 11:18
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EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Wardens aren't known for recruiting stray cats.
Well, there was that one time...
#32
Posté 19 mai 2011 - 11:20
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Sush! That is never to be spoken about.BigEvil wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Wardens aren't known for recruiting stray cats.
Well, there was that one time...
#33
Posté 19 mai 2011 - 11:21
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EmperorSahlertz wrote...
If the Wardens accept them, yes. Wardens aren't known for recruiting stray cats.
They don't recruit out of pity.
They do take on volunteers when they line up. I never said the mage had to make it known to the Wardens that they escaped the Circle. They could just say "I want to be a Warden!" and just say yes to living a life fighting darkspawn.
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 11:24
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Again. Not all Warden-Commanders recruits anybody willing to join. Duncan didn't for instance. He travelled to different tournaments and only recruited the best fighters, or most talented mages. So again. Wardens don't recruit stray cats, even if the cat wants to be recruited.The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
If the Wardens accept them, yes. Wardens aren't known for recruiting stray cats.
They don't recruit out of pity.
They do take on volunteers when they line up. I never said the mage had to make it known to the Wardens that they escaped the Circle. They could just say "I want to be a Warden!" and just say yes to living a life fighting darkspawn.
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 11:26
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I'm sorry, what? the only tournaments I know Duncan witnessed were Jory's and the Dwarf Commoner's.
IIRC, the Jory one wasn't about being a GW recruit. and neither was the DC one.
IIRC, the Jory one wasn't about being a GW recruit. and neither was the DC one.
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 11:32
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Neither of them were. But they were both in the Grey Wardens' honor. Likewise with Alistair's recruitment. The point is that the Grey Warden don't recruit just about anyone who wants. They are a selective bunch.
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 11:33
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They generally don't recruit even volunteers unless they feel they have a reason to. Ducan needed new recruits to combat a Blight and Stroud only relented and recruited Bethan or Carver as a favor to Anders.
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 11:37
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They were fairly desperate to repopulate the ferelden wardens.
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 11:43
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That's debatable really. A dozen Wardens were sent over, and we had both the WC and Oghren. That's 13 Wardens and one recruit who wouldn't leave. That's a fair enough number for starting out.
They do recruit volunteers. They just don't recruit volunteers out of pity like Bethany or Carver (until Anders persuades Stroud).
But I doubt we're going to agree on this.
They do recruit volunteers. They just don't recruit volunteers out of pity like Bethany or Carver (until Anders persuades Stroud).
But I doubt we're going to agree on this.
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 11:43
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EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Neither of them were. But they were both in the Grey Wardens' honor. Likewise with Alistair's recruitment. The point is that the Grey Warden don't recruit just about anyone who wants. They are a selective bunch.
Alistair didn't even win that tournament, so actually it shows Wardens don't always recruit the best fighters.
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 11:45
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But yes, they recruit volunteers. But they do not recruit ALL volunteers. They certainly wouldn't accept all mage volunteers as that would garner the dislike from the Chantry.
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Posté 19 mai 2011 - 11:46
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They recruit the ones with the best qualities to become a Grey Warden. That's the long and short of it.erilben wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Neither of them were. But they were both in the Grey Wardens' honor. Likewise with Alistair's recruitment. The point is that the Grey Warden don't recruit just about anyone who wants. They are a selective bunch.
Alistair didn't even win that tournament, so actually it shows Wardens don't always recruit the best fighters.
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Posté 20 mai 2011 - 12:24
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The Chantry already dislikes how mages are free in the Grey Wardens. They just don't act on their dislike.
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Posté 20 mai 2011 - 12:31
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Do you think the Chantry would allow the Grey Wardens' existance if they recruited every single mage who wanted to be recruited?
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Posté 20 mai 2011 - 12:57
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Do you honestly think the Chantry would be able to track all mages who escaped? If the mages planned their escape by destroying their phylacteries then it becomes almost impossible to track them down.
#47
Posté 20 mai 2011 - 01:16
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EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Do you think the Chantry would allow the Grey Wardens' existance if they recruited every single mage who wanted to be recruited?
They kind of have to. Without the Wardens, the next Blight ends the world.
Edit: I feel that I should clarify here. The Wardens have a symbiotic relationship with the governments of the world. As long as they don't abuse the right of conscription, and they get their pick of anyone they want. The governments and powers may lose their best and brightest to the Wardens, but in return, the world doesn't end due to the next Blight. There is no reason to recruit all of the mages that want to be recruited, since you don't want the crappy ones, and you get all of them anyway when you need them (a Blight).
There's no reason for the Wardens to ever get politically involved and potentially alienate other allies, because their neutrality guarantees them to have the best choices available - they get all of the _______ (mage, templar, elf, soldier, whatever) if they need them for a Blight, and their choice of the best ________ if they want them. As long as they stay impartial, everyone gives them everything they want. Breaking that neutrality would hinder their ultimate goal of darkspawn eradication.
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#48
Posté 20 mai 2011 - 01:38
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If they all ran to the Wardens it wouldn't be hard...The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Do you honestly think the Chantry would be able to track all mages who escaped? If the mages planned their escape by destroying their phylacteries then it becomes almost impossible to track them down.
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Posté 20 mai 2011 - 02:44
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EmperorSahlertz wrote...
They recruit the ones with the best qualities to become a Grey Warden. That's the long and short of it.erilben wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Neither of them were. But they were both in the Grey Wardens' honor. Likewise with Alistair's recruitment. The point is that the Grey Warden don't recruit just about anyone who wants. They are a selective bunch.
Alistair didn't even win that tournament, so actually it shows Wardens don't always recruit the best fighters.
Except Duncan recruited Alistair because he was impressed with the latter's sense of honor or somesuch, not his physical strength or willpower or anything else. Don't recall where I read that, but it's apparently an in-game source, iirc. That was Duncan's prerogative, but it's also been made clear time and again by the game that the Wardens don't give much of a damn about honor. Take it for what you will, there seems to be more than a little evidence to conclude that Duncan did indeed recruit Alistair out of pity.
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Posté 20 mai 2011 - 03:04
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...Huh?
It's strongly suggested Duncan recruited Alistair because he saw the kid was miserable and had talent (Alistair brings up "maybe he felt sorry for me." and "he saw my talents against mages could be useful against darkspawn." Not due to any sense of honor. (And of course Alistair is Maric's kid). It takes far more than just combat skill to be a Warden. You need to be wiling to get the job done. Honor can be counterproductive to that.
It's strongly suggested Duncan recruited Alistair because he saw the kid was miserable and had talent (Alistair brings up "maybe he felt sorry for me." and "he saw my talents against mages could be useful against darkspawn." Not due to any sense of honor. (And of course Alistair is Maric's kid). It takes far more than just combat skill to be a Warden. You need to be wiling to get the job done. Honor can be counterproductive to that.
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