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[Halfdan The Menace]

The Alliance Navy responsible mostly for naval operations in space, though they still operate in the oceans with their terrestrial arm. Its roles include ship-to-ship combat; orbital bombardment; the deployment of atmospheric and space fighters,and the delivery of Alliance Marines into combat.


Specialized branch of the Alliance military, the Alliance Marines is responsible for ground operations, using the mobility provided by the Alliance Navy to rapidly deliver forces. It is also responsible for the protection of Alliance Naval vessels and installations from attack.


The Alliance Army is primarily responsible for land-based military operations. Much of the Army's operations are currently unknown. Unlike the Alliance Marines, which is frequently used in offensive operations and often in conjunction with the Navy, the Army is used largely as a defensive force. The Army shares many matériel assests with the Marines.


The Alliance Air Force is a division of the Alliance military along with the Alliance Army, Navy and Marines. It serves as an aerial defense and support force. Much of the Air Force's operations are currently unknown. It is likely that it is tasked with organizing aerial operations, conducting tactical strikes and bombing runs, providing close-air-support for infantry forces, and transportation of Alliance personnel.

What is your opinion?

Modifié par ModestmeNTaLmogul, 19 mai 2011 - 06:36 .

[Shepard Lives]

I'm kinda partial to the Navy.

Modifié par Shepard Lives, 19 mai 2011 - 06:37 .

[Cheesy Blue]

Sounds good, Fits the doctrine for a military.

[JRCHOharry]

I can dig it.

[Black Raptor]

I have always wondered why the Navy get the spaceships. It would make more sense if they belonged to the Air force, what with all the flying.
You find that a lot of science-fiction just makes planets into countries/islands and space into sea and then goes along with a naval analogy towards everything.

[CroGamer002]

Army.

Because I'm sick of Marines.

[AlanC9]

Black Raptor wrote...

I have always wondered why the Navy get the spaceships. It would make more sense if they belonged to the Air force, what with all the flying.
You find that a lot of science-fiction just makes planets into countries/islands and space into sea and then goes along with a naval analogy towards everything.

Sure, but why not? Space travel isn't much like flying in the first place.

[Emelligos]

There's no air in space. Can't be an air force without air!

[ItsFreakinJesus]

AlanC9 wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...

I have always wondered why the Navy get the spaceships. It would make more sense if they belonged to the Air force, what with all the flying.
You find that a lot of science-fiction just makes planets into countries/islands and space into sea and then goes along with a naval analogy towards everything.

Sure, but why not? Space travel isn't much like flying in the first place.

This.  The Alliance Navy operates in space.  The Air Force would operate in the sky on any given planet.

The army would be the typical ground forces for the planets, and the Marines would be the typical force for space colonines, ship boardings, so on and so forth. 

[Black Raptor]

AlanC9 wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...

I have always wondered why the Navy get the spaceships. It would make more sense if they belonged to the Air force, what with all the flying.
You find that a lot of science-fiction just makes planets into countries/islands and space into sea and then goes along with a naval analogy towards everything.

Sure, but why not? Space travel isn't much like flying in the first place.

Don't know if it's much like sailing either...
You have to fly to get to space in the first place. 

 

[jamesp81]

Black Raptor wrote...

I have always wondered why the Navy get the spaceships. It would make more sense if they belonged to the Air force, what with all the flying.
You find that a lot of science-fiction just makes planets into countries/islands and space into sea and then goes along with a naval analogy towards everything.

Because the air force is not trained or equipped to operate a vehicle in a hostile environment for months at a time without returning to base.

Furthermore, safe operation of a spaceship shares a number of similarities to operating certain naval vessels, most especially submarines.  Submarines and space ships operate in a three dimensional environment that is hostile to the crew, both must be able to provide breathable air and drinkable water in a closed environment for months at a time, both are built on a pressure hull, and both require crew that are mentally able to live in close quarters with others for extended periods of time.

Air Forces lack the institutional mentality or basic operational concepts to effectively operate a spaceship as well as a Navy could.

Modifié par jamesp81, 19 mai 2011 - 07:25 .

[Halfdan The Menace]

jamesp81 wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...

I have always wondered why the Navy get the spaceships. It would make more sense if they belonged to the Air force, what with all the flying.
You find that a lot of science-fiction just makes planets into countries/islands and space into sea and then goes along with a naval analogy towards everything.

Because the air force is not trained or equipped to operate a vehicle in a hostile environment for months at a time without returning to base.

Furthermore, safe operation of a spaceship shares a number of similarities to operating certain naval vessels, most especially submarines.  Submarines and space ships operate in a three dimensional environment that is hostile to the crew, both must be able to provide breathable air and drinkable water in a closed environment for months at a time, both are built on a pressure hull, and both require crew that are mentally able to live in close quarters with others for extended periods of time.

Air Forces lack the institutional mentality or basic operational concepts to effectively operate a spaceship as well as a Navy could.

Exactly. Air Forces not trained for space warfare and they operate aircrafts not spacecrafts...

[jamesp81]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...

I have always wondered why the Navy get the spaceships. It would make more sense if they belonged to the Air force, what with all the flying.
You find that a lot of science-fiction just makes planets into countries/islands and space into sea and then goes along with a naval analogy towards everything.

Because the air force is not trained or equipped to operate a vehicle in a hostile environment for months at a time without returning to base.

Furthermore, safe operation of a spaceship shares a number of similarities to operating certain naval vessels, most especially submarines.  Submarines and space ships operate in a three dimensional environment that is hostile to the crew, both must be able to provide breathable air and drinkable water in a closed environment for months at a time, both are built on a pressure hull, and both require crew that are mentally able to live in close quarters with others for extended periods of time.

Air Forces lack the institutional mentality or basic operational concepts to effectively operate a spaceship as well as a Navy could.

Exactly. Air Forces not trained for space warfare and they operate aircrafts not spacecrafts...

To be fair, modern navies aren't trained to operate spacecraft either, but there are a number of very relevant similarities between some naval vessels (submarines in particular) and spacecraft.  Thus, a Navy already has a grounding in many of the needed concepts, where an Air Force would have to come at it from scratch.

[Emelligos]

jamesp81 wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...

I have always wondered why the Navy get the spaceships. It would make more sense if they belonged to the Air force, what with all the flying.
You find that a lot of science-fiction just makes planets into countries/islands and space into sea and then goes along with a naval analogy towards everything.

Because the air force is not trained or equipped to operate a vehicle in a hostile environment for months at a time without returning to base.

Furthermore, safe operation of a spaceship shares a number of similarities to operating certain naval vessels, most especially submarines.  Submarines and space ships operate in a three dimensional environment that is hostile to the crew, both must be able to provide breathable air and drinkable water in a closed environment for months at a time, both are built on a pressure hull, and both require crew that are mentally able to live in close quarters with others for extended periods of time.

Air Forces lack the institutional mentality or basic operational concepts to effectively operate a spaceship as well as a Navy could.

Exactly. Air Forces not trained for space warfare and they operate aircrafts not spacecrafts...

To be fair, modern navies aren't trained to operate spacecraft either, but there are a number of very relevant similarities between some naval vessels (submarines in particular) and spacecraft.  Thus, a Navy already has a grounding in many of the needed concepts, where an Air Force would have to come at it from scratch.

The Alliance navy isn't exactly modern.

[Halfdan The Menace]

Mesina2 wrote...

Army.

Because I'm sick of Marines.

You think the Alliance Army got their own special forces unit similiar to the N7 Marines,like "Special Service Group" or something?

[Clonedzero]

i find it weird that the navy took over the space command instead of the airforce.

[Black Raptor]

It's my understanding that being an astronaut is a physically demanding. As it stands, most astronauts and cosmonauts come from their respective air forces. I'd imagine it'd be a lot easier to teach these people, who are able to become long term space men, to work together on a boat than it would be to train a whole load of seamen to become astronauts.

Modifié par Black Raptor, 19 mai 2011 - 08:51 .

[Someone With Mass]

Don't really care what they are, as long as they can do their damn job when needed.

[Arrow70]

Emelligos wrote...

There's no air in space. Can't be an air force without air!

so it's just the force?

Wait... since when has the alliance had jedi?
ME3 Spoiler- Jedi is new class in ME3

[jamesp81]

Black Raptor wrote...

It's my understanding that being an astronaut is a physically demanding. As it stands, most astronauts and cosmonauts come from their respective air forces. I'd imagine it'd be a lot easier to teach these people, who are able to become long term space men, to work together on a boat than it would be to train a whole load of seamen to become astronauts.

Not all astronauts come from the air force.  For example, I am very distantly related to one of the space shuttle pilots, who is a Lt Cmdr in the United States Navy.

[jamesp81]

Emelligos wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...

I have always wondered why the Navy get the spaceships. It would make more sense if they belonged to the Air force, what with all the flying.
You find that a lot of science-fiction just makes planets into countries/islands and space into sea and then goes along with a naval analogy towards everything.

Because the air force is not trained or equipped to operate a vehicle in a hostile environment for months at a time without returning to base.

Furthermore, safe operation of a spaceship shares a number of similarities to operating certain naval vessels, most especially submarines.  Submarines and space ships operate in a three dimensional environment that is hostile to the crew, both must be able to provide breathable air and drinkable water in a closed environment for months at a time, both are built on a pressure hull, and both require crew that are mentally able to live in close quarters with others for extended periods of time.

Air Forces lack the institutional mentality or basic operational concepts to effectively operate a spaceship as well as a Navy could.

Exactly. Air Forces not trained for space warfare and they operate aircrafts not spacecrafts...

To be fair, modern navies aren't trained to operate spacecraft either, but there are a number of very relevant similarities between some naval vessels (submarines in particular) and spacecraft.  Thus, a Navy already has a grounding in many of the needed concepts, where an Air Force would have to come at it from scratch.

The Alliance navy isn't exactly modern.

The Alliance Navy is futuristic.  But I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

I'm simply pointing that some of the issues modern navies of today deal with when operating submarines are quite similar to issues that would have to be dealt with when operating spaceships.  Thus why it doesn't seem strange to me that a naval service would be better adapted to learning the procedures and skills for operating spacecraft.

[KenKenpachi]

Reminds me of whats wrote for HALO's UNSC.

[jamesp81]

Another thing worth considering is that the US space shuttle doesn't face the problems of a long term naval deployment. Those guys are usually in space for a couple of weeks. A submarine, however, may be submerged and away from home port for months at a time.

But anyway, I could be wrong in all suppositions here. Besides, if space exploration ever gets to be a big thing, militaries will start fielding armed spacecraft, and I suspect that eventually a separate service would be formed for the operation of those spacecraft. The flavor that service takes on in its rituals and traditions will depend on whether it's an outgrowth of an air force or of a navy.

[Black Raptor]

jamesp81 wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...

It's my understanding that being an astronaut is a physically demanding. As it stands, most astronauts and cosmonauts come from their respective air forces. I'd imagine it'd be a lot easier to teach these people, who are able to become long term space men, to work together on a boat than it would be to train a whole load of seamen to become astronauts.

Not all astronauts come from the air force.  For example, I am very distantly related to one of the space shuttle pilots, who is a Lt Cmdr in the United States Navy.

I don't doubt it, but it does seem like its very much the USAFs thing atm. As we are probably a long way still from transitioning into space warfare, it just seems more likely to me that the Airforce would be able to adapt quicker to life on board spaceships than it would for the Navy to adapt to all those high Gees and flying.  

[KenKenpachi]

jamesp81 wrote...

Another thing worth considering is that the US space shuttle doesn't face the problems of a long term naval deployment. Those guys are usually in space for a couple of weeks. A submarine, however, may be submerged and away from home port for months at a time.

But anyway, I could be wrong in all suppositions here. Besides, if space exploration ever gets to be a big thing, militaries will start fielding armed spacecraft, and I suspect that eventually a separate service would be formed for the operation of those spacecraft. The flavor that service takes on in its rituals and traditions will depend on whether it's an outgrowth of an air force or of a navy.

Actully some Militaries already do have dedicated Space forces. Not in terms of space ships or what not. Mainly tasked with keeping an eye out for FOBs an to conduct anti-satelite operations. And the US is doing its damnest atm to create a high alt troop transport system. But given international law, plus more importantly budget issues, thats a wet dream for the Joint Chiefs atm. But reguardless will happen.

http://en.wikipedia....an_Space_Forces

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salyut_3 Already have been military units in space, this baby had a 23 mm cannon.

And Orbital Bombardments are allowed under START II http://en.wikipedia....ki/Space_weapon as an add on for more weapons http://en.wikipedia....y:Space_weapons

Short of the Russians, the Chinese and the US are the only nations with any real credable way of weaponizing space at present, or have weapons that can be used in a number of roles right now.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 19 mai 2011 - 09:18 .