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[DDK]

So hard to decide on this one.

On the one hand, having reduced recharge time is awesome for renewing shields and doing another charge but then again, just how much does 6% recharge time actually equate to? It can't be more than 1 second can it? Does 1 second really make any difference? Power damage and duration are pretty useless. Does the weapon damage and health offset the reduced power recharge time?

[Nicator]

In my experience it's only useful with a Scimitar, as with the extra damage standard enemies routinely go down after two instead of three shots.
Also, afaik I know power damage also applies to your ammo powers, so it isn't as useless as you might think.

[goofyomnivore]

Really really small difference. I've been using Destroyer. Since I like the small increase in overall dps compared to the .45 second quicker charge.

Honestly you will hardly notice either. I use to go Champion just for the renegade/paragon boost, but with Gibbed I can just give my own boost to persuasion .

Modifié par strive, 19 mai 2011 - 09:02 .

[naledgeborn]

I prefer Destroyer in Claymore builds. Increases the number OSOKs. These are the Destroyer builds I've been using

Inferno Ammo
Heavy Charge
Heavy Shockwave
Heavy Pull

or

Inferno
Squad Cryo
Heavy Charge
Heavy Slam

[termokanden]

Have used both. My current Vanguard is a Destroyer.

Haven't noticed a difference at all.

[RGFrog]

Either works fine. Only real choice on Vanguard is if you want time dilation at the end of charge or not.

I prefer not.

[IMNWME]

Champion, all day, every day, and twice on Sundays.

.45s can save your life. To put .45s into perspective, think of how much time reload canceling shaves off the Claymore's fire rate, and then ask whether this is noticeable in-game.

[Ahglock]

termokanden wrote...

Have used both. My current Vanguard is a Destroyer.

Haven't noticed a difference at all.

Which thankfully it sounds like they are changing.  It is lame that the different evolutions frequently don't feel any different.  

[PrinceLionheart]

Ahglock wrote...

termokanden wrote...

Have used both. My current Vanguard is a Destroyer.

Haven't noticed a difference at all.

Which thankfully it sounds like they are changing.  It is lame that the different evolutions frequently don't feel any different.  

Yeah, I think Sentinel is really the only class where the passive can make a noticable difference in gameplay.

[DNRB]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

termokanden wrote...

Have used both. My current Vanguard is a Destroyer.

Haven't noticed a difference at all.

Which thankfully it sounds like they are changing.  It is lame that the different evolutions frequently don't feel any different.  

Yeah, I think Sentinel is really the only class where the passive can make a noticable difference in gameplay.

And that's the reason why I would always take the one with the best paragon/renegade bonus. Only thing that really might help you out in the end.

Modifié par BRND, 19 mai 2011 - 10:31 .

[Leiseflehen1]

i picked destroyer for my third vanguard (champ for first 2)
just because i thought the damage boost would let me kill shielded mercs with one claymore shot as i wasnt able to pull that off with champ (in same condition: no dmg boost from armor & 2 shotgun upgrades with shield piercing at lvl 30 new game plus)

but still i could not do it....
there's still that tiny bit of red bar left

[termokanden]

IMNWME wrote...

.45s can save your life. To put .45s into perspective, think of how much time reload canceling shaves off the Claymore's fire rate, and then ask whether this is noticeable in-game.

If the difference is 6% of 6 seconds, that would be a 0.36 second difference. Not that this ruins your argument or anything.

I don't feel that difference. You're probably right, it'll save your life at some point. And then that one enemy you would have only killed with 6% more damage could kill you another day.

Modifié par termokanden, 20 mai 2011 - 12:19 .

[DDK]

Do people not choose the Geth Shotgun instead of the Claymore?

I realise the Claymore does more damage but I find the versatility of the Geth Shotgun far more useful, not to mention it's significantly higher accuracy.

[IMNWME]

GPS is terrible for the Vanguard b/c of its low ammo proc capabilities. All other SGs will proc ammo powers through protections if the shot damages their health. The GPS will not.

[DDK]

Proc ammo powers? Huh?

[RGFrog]

Nah, I use the GPS. Just have to do a little more planning with it. Charge the GPS first then use the Charge power, let go mouse button and target dies.

Unless you're twitchy like me and let go before the target is in the crosshairs... meh.

[Simbacca]

Champion always.  Tried Destroyer for a few missons once, but having played through with Vanguards multiple times already the only way for me to get somewhat back to the fun thrill of the first playthrough is by playing stupidly aggressive.  I'm always in trouble.  I want my heavy charge available asap.

Rein viens all the way

[Kronner]

Destroyer. Sounds cooler. No difference in gameplay at all.

[MELTOR13]

Malisin wrote...

Proc ammo powers? Huh?

They mean that most shotguns, at close range, are able to quickly destroy shields/barriers/armor with one or two shots. As soon as the protections are gone, if there are any pellets that hit the enemy, those pellets start the ammo power ability (cryo = freezing, inferno = fire dance, etc.). The GPS doesn't have pellets, only those 3 plasma balls, and therefore doesn't work near as well with ammo powers as the other shotguns do. 

[DDK]

MELTOR13 wrote...

They mean that most shotguns, at close range, are able to quickly destroy shields/barriers/armor with one or two shots. As soon as the protections are gone, if there are any pellets that hit the enemy, those pellets start the ammo power ability (cryo = freezing, inferno = fire dance, etc.). The GPS doesn't have pellets, only those 3 plasma balls, and therefore doesn't work near as well with ammo powers as the other shotguns do. 

Ah. Wish they'd use a more proper term than 'proc' (which means something wholly different to what they're using it to describe) then :/

Also, is this something that has been confirmed? It would seem to me to be a fairly complex method of determining the applicability of ammo powers based on multiple shots from a single firing instance. Something that seems out of character for Bioware's general methodology.

[HTTP 404]

termokanden wrote...

Have used both. My current Vanguard is a Destroyer.

Haven't noticed a difference at all.

same here.  Ive done 3 vanguard playthrough and numerous respecs.  I don't notice any difference between the two.  The numbers shown in a previous post kind of confirms that.

[Ahglock]

Malisin wrote...

MELTOR13 wrote...

They mean that most shotguns, at close range, are able to quickly destroy shields/barriers/armor with one or two shots. As soon as the protections are gone, if there are any pellets that hit the enemy, those pellets start the ammo power ability (cryo = freezing, inferno = fire dance, etc.). The GPS doesn't have pellets, only those 3 plasma balls, and therefore doesn't work near as well with ammo powers as the other shotguns do. 

Ah. Wish they'd use a more proper term than 'proc' (which means something wholly different to what they're using it to describe) then :/

Also, is this something that has been confirmed? It would seem to me to be a fairly complex method of determining the applicability of ammo powers based on multiple shots from a single firing instance. Something that seems out of character for Bioware's general methodology.

Actually proc works great.  Each pellet has a chance to activate a ammo power, the % chance per pellet is the same no matter the shot gun.  Most shotguns fire 8 shells, the GPS fires 4.  8 pellets just give me you chances to proc the ammo power.  And yes it was confirmed.  But hey just take the claymore and you don;t have to worry about it since the target is dead instead of doing a fire dance.  Death is the ultimate CC.