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[Computer_God91]

Soahfreako wrote...

That's one way to completely own a troll.

I like how any opinion that disagrees with your own is considered trolling. I'm with these "trolls" ME2 was a complete disappointment shot out at the masses who drool themselves to bed with every $60 update they pay for  CoD. Of course it'll be the highest rated when the masses tend to have a low intelligence level or just like the kind of game that is a cut and paste from every other one on the market.

Was this post solely to ****** people off? Yes. Would I openly debate my opinion in a non-insulting mannor? Yes.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 20 mai 2011 - 03:51 .

[rmann]

Then properly debate your opinion. Calling people who like a game you don't idiots just makes it more likely people aren't going to bother reading your posts. Responding to immaturity with immaturity doesn't help your argument in the slightest.

[Computer_God91]

rmann wrote...

Then properly debate your opinion. Calling people who like a game you don't idiots just makes it more likely people aren't going to bother reading your posts. Responding to immaturity with immaturity doesn't help your argument in the slightest.

No, but it is so annoying when all these people have to say is "ME2 is the best thing that ever happened and it is flawless in everyway possible. You are elitest, extreme, a troll, subjetive, or stupid for thinking overwise." I mean who is really being subjective and glued to a wall here?

[Dark_Caduceus]

This is really good news, assumedly it gives Bioware some profit buffer, cause, let's be honest, the Bioware franchises aren't money-machine COD titles. They're still getting EA the awards though.

[Soahfreako]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

That's one way to completely own a troll.

I like how any opinion that disagrees with your own is considered trolling. I'm with these "trolls" ME2 was a complete disappointment shot out at the masses who drool themselves to bed with every $60 update they pay for  CoD. Of course it'll be the highest rated when the masses tend to have a low intelligence level or just like the kind of game that is a cut and paste from every other one on the market.

Was this post solely to ****** people off? Yes. Would I openly debate my opinion in a non-insulting mannor? Yes.

That is what trolls do, good sir.

[Soahfreako]

falco117 wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

theSteeeeeels wrote...

how can this game be rated so highly ?

it lacks everything that made the first game good and instead went the simple shooter route. problem is, the games not a shooter, and compared to other shooters the combat sucks. why would i play mass effect when its 90% shooting but done badly when i could play cod or gow which actually has good combat.

the game doesnt even have a story

i'd be embarrased if this was my companies highest ever rated game.

It was more maintsream which is one of the bigger reasons why it was highest rated. It was also over-hyped.

Soahfreako has an awesome display pic XD archons, sad u got nerfed in SC2 XD
anyways i still think ME 2 is a good game. When it comes to ME, Newton doesn't differentiate 

Thanks bro.

[rmann]

Computer_God91 wrote...

No, but it is so annoying when all these people have to say is "ME2 is the best thing that ever happened and it is flawless in everyway possible. You are elitest, extreme, a troll, subjetive, or stupid for thinking overwise." I mean who is really being subjective and glued to a wall here?

To be fair, Gatt9's post was subjective and extreme.  Claiming the reviewers praising ME2 are collectively being dishonest will naturally raise a few eyebrows.

[javierabegazo]

rmann wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

No, but it is so annoying when all these people have to say is "ME2 is the best thing that ever happened and it is flawless in everyway possible. You are elitest, extreme, a troll, subjetive, or stupid for thinking overwise." I mean who is really being subjective and glued to a wall here?

To be fair, Gatt9's post was subjective and extreme.  Claiming the reviewers praising ME2 are collectively being dishonest will naturally raise a few eyebrows.

Especially when paired up with comments like "trying to be Gears of War" and "lacks the RPG the box claimed was inside", it's very easy to mistake such comments as just blind rage and easy to write the person off as a troll if he doesn't present a well detailed balanced argument to support such a scathing tone.

I hate seeing comments that are so snarky and subjective because there are flaws with every game, but by glossing over everything done right and only focusing on what was done wrong, there isn't much balance for debate and worse, no room to learn and to improve on what was done and brainstorm for more creative ways to make games and implement desired features.


"_____ sucked and ______ is now forever ruined" isn't remotely constructive in the least. It sounds like a disappointed child who didn't get what he wanted.

"______ was very ineffective, and not fun, and _______ could have been done like this way, etc" is far more condusive to an environment where people can contribute to a discussion without including immature and irrational emotion to cloud reason.

[Computer_God91]

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Roger that, its cool though cause we're buds at school and do that sort of thing all the time. I can take a hint though, I'll take it somewhere else.

rmann wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

No, but it is so annoying when all these people have to say is "ME2 is the best thing that ever happened and it is flawless in everyway possible. You are elitest, extreme, a troll, subjetive, or stupid for thinking overwise." I mean who is really being subjective and glued to a wall here?

To be fair, Gatt9's post was subjective and extreme.  Claiming the reviewers praising ME2 are collectively being dishonest will naturally raise a few eyebrows.

None the less he raises good points buried in hate. Although it may seem like I was intentionally standing up for him/her I wasn't. I was speaking generally. Everytime someone so much as looks a ME2 wrong they are branded with any of those labels. I think when someone is so glued, so blindfolded to one side of something, no matter what side it is, is just as bad as someone saying something extreme like Gatt9. We all know no game deserves a perfect rating because no game is perfect, just like people. I wont stand by and say that ME2 is 100% a piece of crap but I feel the positives are massively out weighed by the negatives.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 20 mai 2011 - 05:27 .

[javierabegazo]

@Computer_God91
The thing is, the announcement had to do with ME2 being the "highest rated game". But Highest rated never means "Flawless" and no where did it say it was flawless.

[Computer_God91]

javierabegazo wrote...

@Computer_God91
The thing is, the announcement had to do with ME2 being the "highest rated game". But Highest rated never means "Flawless" and no where did it say it was flawless.

No, you're right. I just get irratated with all the ME2 praise. It seems like every one just ignores its flaws.

[CroGamer002]

Computer_God91 wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

@Computer_God91
The thing is, the announcement had to do with ME2 being the "highest rated game". But Highest rated never means "Flawless" and no where did it say it was flawless.

No, you're right. I just get irratated with all the ME2 praise. It seems like every one just ignores its flaws.

Well mining isn't bad, it's just boring.

[CroGamer002]

Gatt9 wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...
That's one way to completely own a troll.

You seem to be confused,  what he posted is what is known as honest debate.  I'll politely counterpoint him tomorrow when I have more time.

Hey sir!

Mesina2 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

But Mass
Effect 2, a game that tries to be Gears of War but ends up just being alinear walk from one waist-high wall to the next, that lacks the RPG the box claimed was inside, and has huge consistency problems with it'sstory is the greatest game of the year?

I challenge you to play Mass Effect 2 for 30 minutes and then Gears of War for 30 minutes and say to me same thing again.

Do my challenge!

Modifié par Mesina2, 20 mai 2011 - 05:34 .

[Soahfreako]

I do believe I have won this arguement! Mwuahaha! 

Modifié par Soahfreako, 20 mai 2011 - 05:37 .

[Nashiktal]

I always chuckle when people say ME is trying to be gears.

Personally I think its more that ME is using the shooting mechanics that Gears (and killswitch before it, and the game Gateway before that) introduced to the game industry at large. Which is the cover system of course. ME honestly doesn't use anything else from gears, not that its copying gears at all. Just using an introduced mechanic.

[Apollo Starflare]

Computer_God91 wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

@Computer_God91
The thing is, the announcement had to do with ME2 being the "highest rated game". But Highest rated never means "Flawless" and no where did it say it was flawless.

No, you're right. I just get irratated with all the ME2 praise. It seems like every one just ignores its flaws.

Most people I see talk about the game do anything but ignore it's flaws, lol. Seriously, most (decent) critics for example have criticised where appropriate and explained why they still gave the game a high score/praise, if anything it is more often ME2's major detractors who outright refuse to accept any of it's good points, or push them to one side claiming they don't make up for all the (percieved) bad.

No game is flawless, ME2 was certainly no exception. But in my opinion it is certainly worthy of the praise placed upon it by level headed folks, and I can completely understand why it has achieved this position in the EA (and gaming) hall of fame.

I do wonder if ME3 can knock it off it's pedastal though, I find sequels in gaming tend to get looked at in harsher and harsher terms. ME2 avoided some of that by reinventing a bunch of things, but ME3 might end up being similar enough to ME2 in terms of mechanics that enough reviewers don't go overboard on the scores (and make no mistake, most games rated as highly as ME2 have their share of arguably over zealous scores that help bump them further up the chart).

RE: The Gears comparison. It amuses me no end that some people thesedays can't seem to get their head around the idea that some games have similar gameplay mechanics, occasionally outright emulating or borrowing elements of gameplay from another game. This is how it has always been, and it by no means indicates that said game is a copy of the other or anything similar. It is one aspect of a larger whole, take in the whole picture and not just one facet of it, if you are capable of course.

Modifié par Apollo Starflare, 20 mai 2011 - 05:44 .

[goofyomnivore]

Congrats to the Mass Effect team!!! That is an impressive accomplishment considering.. the giant that Electronics Arts is.

[Soahfreako]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

@Computer_God91
The thing is, the announcement had to do with ME2 being the "highest rated game". But Highest rated never means "Flawless" and no where did it say it was flawless.

No, you're right. I just get irratated with all the ME2 praise. It seems like every one just ignores its flaws.

Most people I see talk about the game do anything but ignore it's flaws, lol.

Gotta love 95% of the threads on BSN.

[SilentNukee]

I have absolutely no idea why Black Ops got the top sales of all time...When it isn't even as good as MW2...I think the media plays a big impact. "Must buy new COD game to be COOL!"
I'm glad ME2 got the attention it deserves. Some people don't even want to try it out because they're just so media-influenced and strickly stick to stuff like COD/Gears. Not that they're bad games, but they just lack in certain departments. Or maybe I just like the RPG aspect of things... I work at EB Games and we were talking about how it would be nice to have a platform game go big for a change, it's been a while. Anything but a shooter, really.

[Nashiktal]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

@Computer_God91
The thing is, the announcement had to do with ME2 being the "highest rated game". But Highest rated never means "Flawless" and no where did it say it was flawless.

No, you're right. I just get irratated with all the ME2 praise. It seems like every one just ignores its flaws.

Most people I see talk about the game do anything but ignore it's flaws, lol. Seriously, most (decent) critics for example have criticised where appropriate and explained why they still gave the game a high score/praise, if anything it is more often ME2's major detractors who outright refuse to accept any of it's good points, or push them to one side claiming they don't make up for all the (percieved) bad.

No game is flawless, ME2 was certainly no exception. But in my opinion it is certainly worthy of the praise placed upon it by level headed folks, and I can completely understand why it has achieved this position in the EA (and gaming) hall of fame.

I do wonder if ME3 can knock it off it's pedastal though, I find sequels in gaming tend to get looked at in harsher and harsher terms. ME2 avoided some of that by reinventing a bunch of things, but ME3 might end up being similar enough to ME2 in terms of mechanics that enough reviewers don't go overboard on the scores (and make no mistake, most games rated as highly as ME2 have their share of arguably over zealous scores that help bump them further up the chart).

RE: The Gears comparison. It amuses me no end that some people thesedays can't seem to get their head around the idea that some games have similar gameplay mechanics, occasionally outright emulating or borrowing elements of gameplay from another game. This is how it has always been, and it by no means indicates that said game is a copy of the other or anything similar. It is one aspect of a larger whole, take in the whole picture and not just one facet of it, if you are capable of course.

If only DA2 had the same courtesy. The game is definately not flawless, but it never deserved a 0/10.

[archurban]

Emelligos wrote...

Not even EA can destroy Bioware.

they can't because two Dr., who founded Bioware, are Vice presidents in EA. EA can't just remove them. they are very effective people in gaming industry today.

[moneycashgeorge]

I do love the series, but I have to agree with the people here saying that ME2 isn't that great, especially when compared to the original. The truth is that is was dumbed down and mass marketed. To the people saying "EA can't hurt bioware", well they obviously already did.

Gameplay was definitely less clunky than the original, but also less ambitious. It stuck too closely to the Gears of War formula, and severely downplayed the Biotics/Tech. While the original had the believable Tech Mines, ME2 has ice blasts and fireballs. And suddenly most Biotic abilities do nothing in most situations. It makes combat simpler and more shooty. Just like, you guessed it, gears of war.

The story was made much less scientific, and also much more episodic. There is hardly any over-arching story in Mass Effect 2, and the end result is basically of no consequence. What good is stopping the creation of one thing when there are "legion" of that same thing right around the corner? The fact is that Mass Effect 2 was very well presented, it has possibly the best story presentation and visual design of any game ever made, but its story has no significance in relation to its predecessor.

I can not know this, but I suspect that the overwhelmingly positive reaction to Mass Effect 2 was for the same reason as the reaction to GTA4. The previous games had cemented a legendary reputation, and the critics were "wow"ed by their initial reactions and gave the games overly high scores without really considering the merit of the game or assessing its flaws.

From an objective perspective, I would have to say that Red Dead Redemption was last year's best game. It knew what it wanted to be and achieved that goal perfectly. Every gameplay aspect was fleshed out perfectly. It took a risky and creative setting and realized it beautifully. It made great strides in random events, horseback riding, large cohesive worlds, realistic fauna and flora, skybox design and thematic depth that are far ahead of both Rockstar's catalog and the entire industry. Mass Effect 2's only stand out features were cinematic camera work (rarely) and aesthetic armor customization (for the player character).

I'd say that Mass Effect 2's scores are far more a reflection of the growing appreciation for Mass Effect 1's conversation innovations, shooter/RPG hybrid approach, lore depth, and realism for a sci-fi setting. Compared to those massive strides, Mass Effect 2 was a relative failure.

[Harmless Crunch]

archurban wrote...

Emelligos wrote...

Not even EA can destroy Bioware.

they can't because two Dr., who founded Bioware, are Vice presidents in EA. EA can't just remove them. they are very effective people in gaming industry today.

Somebody forgotten about the Infinity Ward's heads being fired by Activision...

[JoHnDoE14]

I always thought of Mass Effect 2 as an awesome game. In fact, I will be as bold as to say that it is my favourite game. Let's see if ME3 can get even better!

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Someday I'll finally finish my manifesto about how a really good game can be better than a perfect one.

Hmm.

Actually, I thought of a metaphor that may make the actual manifesto unecessary.

When you dive in the olympics, they score your dive based on it's perfection vs. its difficulty. So if you do a perfect simple jackknife, it'll be rated less highly than a moderately flawed triple somersault.

ME2 was a game company attempting a triple backwards twisting somersault with bacon and cheese... a dive with a difficulty rating so high, nobody had ever attempted it before. Oh there are those who have done the triple somersault, or the backwards dive, or the bacon and cheese, but nobody has put all three of them together and managed to do it right.

Whereas anyone can make a really good game where you drive cars around in an oval or a figure eight. You can even make a perfect game like that. But the difficulty rating on it is lower.

So yes, there's some splash in ME2 and they certainly didn't point their toes and the bacon might be a little overdone. But the sheer ambition of what they were trying to accomplish is so epic that their score is still higher than the person whose pencil dive was so perfectly executed that it caused a reverse splash, creating a mini whirlpool which drew all the surrounding water deeper into the pool.

I think that metaphor may have outlived its usefulness.