Zanallen wrote...
Lol, four armies. You have the remnants of the Redcliff army that has been decimated by weeks of fighting against summoned creatures, a dwarven army weakened by a civil war, a single Dalish tribe/werewolf group that has also been decimated by fighting and either a small handful of mages or a group of Templars who were also no were near full strength. Also, said armies are not under your command. They are helping the Warden against the Darkspawn, not his personal forces for threatening the human nobility.
It's still more than what Loghain actually has, remember Ferelden is also fighting a civil war over the succession at the same time and half the Bannorn (
and consequently their armies) is opposed to Loghain. The "lol armies" situation applies to pretty much every one in the country, no one is actually in good shape.
As to "threatening the human nobility" that's not what the Warden is doing, s/he's putting an end to the civil war so they can concentrate on the blight and in that those 4 armies are following his/her lead and are effectively under his/her command. When you have four armies backing your cause, it kind of forces people to pay attention whether you threaten them or not.
Suffice to say, the codex and lore within the game says that elves are widly hated and looked down upon.
Yes they're widely oppressed and discriminated against, that doesn't change the fact that some can and do rise above it, the elf from the HN origin, the elf from the warden supporter quest in the brothel is one of "Howe's Elite", the Fake Beggar in the Alienage, Anora's attendant. Just because a group as a whole is discriminated against doesn't mean that every member of that group suffers equally or at all.
In Exile wrote...
You don't actually any armies to lead. You don't walk in with them. Eamon believes you, because Eamon believes you are a Grey Warden. But all you have then is your word that you're a Warden (and potentially old looking treaties). That's it.
Garahel is very different. The Wardens claim Garahel is a hero, and everyone takes the Warden's word for it. It's a very different social dynamic.
In DA:O, it's silly enough they believe you when you say you are a Grey Warden; that they'd respect a Warden irrespective of the prejudice of the day is silly.
You also don't have the sole claimant to the throne. You have an alleged claiman (a bastard whose patronage was never recognized by Marric; the only person vouching for him being Arl Eamon, who was recently poisoned by Loghain in a power struggle). Loghain contests your claim (thoug he weirdly admits you're a Warden) and Anora could as well.
All of it comes down to someone's word versus another, and I am telling you that unless you wanted to believe either Eamon or the Warden, you had no imperative to.
A few things, for one you're famous Loghain put a bounty out on your head, with the official line that you're a Warden and has even been circling your picture around, so people have plenty of imperative to believe you. Secondly given the political climate with Loghain in charge, how many people do you honestly think would
actually be tempted to impersonate a Warden? It's really not a he said she said situation from the get go.
As for leading the armies who prey-tell if not you does it? After the landsmeet you're officially annointed as "the leader", just because Bioware didn't see fit to include an RTS section in the game doesn't mean you don't lead armies.
Why are you being so hostile? And why would you think I need anything spelled out for me? I don't see how this sort of personal accusation is relevant to anything.
Because you're arguing with facts that aren't correct and you're making misleading statements to support your "case".
Your point is ridiculous: that I can't imagine different tones doesn't mean I can't imagine what's going on in a book. Or day dream. Or otherwise imagine secret or special content.
My point is you willingly gloss over differences and then claim it's "all the same". It's not "secret content" it's fairly plain to see but you simply decide to gloss over it and proclaim it doesn't exist. Just look at your arguments for "why should people believe the elf is a warden any ways".
But DA:O didn't have that. I also notice that you dodged the actual point: how much unique content did the Origins have, and when was it ever that a conversation played out differently for a different origin (from start to finish) or locked you out of quest content?
Basically, never.
More than the Hawke-centric content in DA2 for one. But let's see off the top of my head.
Kastor at Lake Calenhand, Shiani in the Alienage during the slaver quest and once again during the siege, your father during the Alienage quest is unique to the CE, others get the Haren instead. The dwarf noble can father a child. You never meet or see Bhelen's mistress unless you're a DC. Becoming King/Queen is HN only. The Dalish treat you differently, even between normal and dalish elf wardens. Rescuing Connor has mage only branch. There's also plenty of dialogue that changes the implications of a quest or your out look on it, even some of the ambient dialogue you get when you click on non-convo NPCs is different based on your character. The quests themselves aren't "locked out" because they're fairly broad in their scope but there's plenty of differences.
Just because there's not a big neon sign pointing out differences between origins, like a human get shot full of arrows when he shows up at the dalish camp or an elf running from a lynch mob in the denerim market doesn't mean they're not there. Would even more have been nice? Yeah sure but given you had 6 (
and a half, given elf/human mage is largely similar with a few exception) different characters to choose from Bioware did a lot to make each character different.
Modifié par Drasanil, 26 mai 2011 - 05:54 .
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