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[Skyplant]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

Ariella wrote...


Really, I, personally happened to enjoy the trials and tribulations of Hawke and how she dealt with her situation. She was as real to me as any character I've written or played. I got to find out the real story behind the myth of "the Champion of Kirkwall", who turned out to be not some chosen one, but someone who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and ended up a hero despite it.

You may feel that way, but I felt like I was reading a story of Hawke, not influencing or directing the story of Hawke, which was rather what I was promised as a game. I like the story on its own, but as a game story, and a Bioware story, I was pretty disappointed that I was on the kiddie wheels throughout.

I do find that odd, but this is a your mileage may vary type of situation. Then again I always have played RPGs like they were choose your own adventures. I play on casual, I'm not a big fan of combat (but amazingly I enjoyed it more in DA2 than most fantasy games), I like to get on with the story, where it's just me and the Dev team and what we come up with together.

Ha...that explains a lot, you play on Casual. No wonder you find DA2 better than DA:O, given that DA2 is a lot more brainless button bashing. Nevermind the other GLARING faults.

Man, from the replies since last night it's clear they could forcefeed you crap and you'd just guzzle it down.
Such a paperweight defense you've tried to construct as well...can't actually rebuff my arguments so you question what I'm doing here. N00b.

And yes, thats Leet speak, and no, I don't care if you critique it. I've played enough CSS and SC2 at near competition level justify it's use.

Dragon age 2 was an rpg for people that don't like rpgs.

[Morroian]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

If I remember right, I think Edgar Allen Poe once something to the effect of (paraphrased) the hazards of trying to create two different moods in literature at once. If you're going to write a horror story, then write a horror story. If you're going to write a comedy, then write a comedy. But comedy and horror do not mix like peanut butter and jelly. If you try and write both simultaneously you're going to fail.

The Evil Dead series of movies says Hi.

[Realmzmaster]

Skyplant wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

Ariella wrote...


Really, I, personally happened to enjoy the trials and tribulations of Hawke and how she dealt with her situation. She was as real to me as any character I've written or played. I got to find out the real story behind the myth of "the Champion of Kirkwall", who turned out to be not some chosen one, but someone who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and ended up a hero despite it.

You may feel that way, but I felt like I was reading a story of Hawke, not influencing or directing the story of Hawke, which was rather what I was promised as a game. I like the story on its own, but as a game story, and a Bioware story, I was pretty disappointed that I was on the kiddie wheels throughout.

I do find that odd, but this is a your mileage may vary type of situation. Then again I always have played RPGs like they were choose your own adventures. I play on casual, I'm not a big fan of combat (but amazingly I enjoyed it more in DA2 than most fantasy games), I like to get on with the story, where it's just me and the Dev team and what we come up with together.

Ha...that explains a lot, you play on Casual. No wonder you find DA2 better than DA:O, given that DA2 is a lot more brainless button bashing. Nevermind the other GLARING faults.

Man, from the replies since last night it's clear they could forcefeed you crap and you'd just guzzle it down.
Such a paperweight defense you've tried to construct as well...can't actually rebuff my arguments so you question what I'm doing here. N00b.

And yes, thats Leet speak, and no, I don't care if you critique it. I've played enough CSS and SC2 at near competition level justify it's use.

Dragon age 2 was an rpg for people that don't like rpgs.

In your opinion, I like CRPGs all the way back to Wizardry 1. I like Dragon Age 2. So no Dragon Age 2 is not just for people who do not like CRPGS. Yes I have played most of the big and many little CRPGs in the past 30 years.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Laidlaw, thanks for making everyone not care about a Dragon Age sequel anymore. I don't know how, but you did it.

[neppakyo]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Laidlaw, thanks for making everyone not care about a Dragon Age sequel anymore. I don't know how, but you did it.

Probably care more about if there was a Jade Empire Sequel now than a DA one

..wait a sec.. maybe that was laidlaw's plan all along! That evil genius! 

[Realmzmaster]

I will be pre-ordering my copy!

[erynnar]

neppakyo wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Laidlaw, thanks for making everyone not care about a Dragon Age sequel anymore. I don't know how, but you did it.

Probably care more about if there was a Jade Empire Sequel now than a DA one

..wait a sec.. maybe that was laidlaw's plan all along! That evil genius! 

Like those Guiness commercials...BRILLIANT! If the, grab a larger audience is what they are still saying, it means more of the same mediocre gameplay. I'll pass.

I wasn't going to pre-order again (once bitten, twice shy), but I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt, wait a bit and see what people said about it. I hold no hope that DA3 will go back to what worked in DAO, and what worked in DA2 and combine them. I see us getting more of the same-o.

[Friera]

Seriously?! Im I the only one here who trul enjoyed DAII? Ofcourse the envoironmental think is ****, but the rest of it I really enjoyed. And Im gonna get so dissapointed if they don´t release an extenion and properly finished DAII with Hawkes as the protagonist.... Does anyone in here believe they will cut of Hawkes story because it got bad reviews? It still sold gold...
Hawke was allright, I guess. But I truly think the cast otherwise was stronge, like Aveline, Fenris and Isabella. I´d love for them to return...

[LyndseyCousland]

I hope 'looking for new talent' means getting rid of the nutters who ruined DA:2. Though that could mean a whole new mess.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Friera wrote...

Seriously?! Im I the only one here who trul enjoyed DAII? Ofcourse the envoironmental think is ****, but the rest of it I really enjoyed. And Im gonna get so dissapointed if they don´t release an extenion and properly finished DAII with Hawkes as the protagonist.... Does anyone in here believe they will cut of Hawkes story because it got bad reviews? It still sold gold...
Hawke was allright, I guess. But I truly think the cast otherwise was stronge, like Aveline, Fenris and Isabella. I´d love for them to return...

The environments are a symptom of a larger problem: ye olde streamlining. Game lacked substance.

[Drasanil]

Friera wrote...

Seriously?! Im I the only one here who trul enjoyed DAII?

Not the only one but I venture you sort almost qualify as an endangered species

Does anyone in here believe they will cut of Hawkes story because it got bad reviews?

One can only hope, personally I'd love to see the expansion feature Hawke as a lootable corpse.

It still sold gold...

Mostly due to DAO's golden reputation... DAII basically shot that to bits, the devs are going to have to be a lot more cautious in their approach to DAIII.

[Elhanan]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Laidlaw, thanks for making everyone not care about a Dragon Age sequel anymore. I don't know how, but you did it.

One of the reasons I now have for a pre-order; less trolls in the Registered forums.

[Cutlass Jack]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Laidlaw, thanks for making everyone not care about a Dragon Age sequel anymore. I don't know how, but you did it.

'Everyone' seems to have a funny way of showing they don't care. Bordering on obsession.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Ah, lacklaw's cronies, wearing the seal of mediocrity proudly into battle.

[Chromie]

Elhanan wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Laidlaw, thanks for making everyone not care about a Dragon Age sequel anymore. I don't know how, but you did it.

One of the reasons I now have for a pre-order; less trolls in the Registered forums.

Ha right. There are more in the registered then non-registered...

[Elhanan]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Ah, lacklaw's cronies, wearing the seal of mediocrity proudly into battle.

Beats having said mediocity placed above one's neck....

[Drachasor]

Sidney wrote...

Drachasor wrote...

Let's put this another way.  It doesn't matter if the player is there in the game or if you have a randomizer making all the dialogue decisions.  What you do AS A PLAYER barely makes a difference.  That's what makes the RPG element of the game so awful.

Only if you want sword charging middle school fantasy plot. Hawke does a lot of things but Hawke alone isnt enough to save Kirkwall. That is the point. The whole reason Varric is telling the story is that Cassandra wants generic fantasy hero plot #2 to be what happened but what happened isn't as simplistic as she thinks it is nor as you want it to be.

Sometimes people are part of history and don't make it - watch The King's Speech for a guy who also "did nothing" and was just there when something happened - his brother abdicates, WWII begins. He doesn't cause the former nor stop the latter but is he still an interesting character?

I don't care if it is impossible to save Kirkwall or character X.

As a modern RPG though, you should be able to make SOME kind of difference.  Your ability to exert influence is completely non-existent, because it essentially doesn't matter what you say or do during 99% of the dialogue options.  Maybe the city is going to heck and maybe that part is unavoidable, but as a GAME I should be able to exert some influence on events.  Instead the player should take the attitude of the Grand Cleric "eh, what do you expect me to do?" -- at least she realizes that nothing she does can possibly change anything.  She clearly realizes she's on the railroad tracks.

[Drachasor]

Morroian wrote...

erynnar wrote...

Or the three year jaunts of Hawke sitting with their thumbs up their ass or being in a coma while **** plays out. God, Hawke has to be one of the most obtuse, moronic, blind, and boring characters ever. Three year black-outs drinking at the Hanged man til they lie in puddles of their own vomit (I guess I'm not too unimaginative, now am I) while the city falls to ****e for which ever reason depending on the Act your in? I guess Hawke cleans up goes to AA meetings in time for the opening of each Act before falling off the bloody wagon to sit in a corner drooling on herself/himself for three years. Rinse, lather, repeat.

I don't see why Hawke isn't doing smaller quests unrelated to the Qunari and mage stories in those off periods. We just see it when everything comes to a head in both main stories. The qunari story in particular there would have been nothing to indicate that Hawke should have been doing anything in that period about the Qunari anyway.

Prologue to Act 1 makes sense.  Act 1 to Act 2...I can understand how nothing that important can happen (but it is a little jarring), though Hawke is a little brain damaged to not realize Isabella has something to do with the Qunari.  Act 2 to 3, however, is pretty inexcusable.   The city is literally going to hell in a handbasket and Hawke does nothing over 3 years to stop or impede this, instead suddenly deciding to do stuff when Act 3 starts up and things are already awful.  It really makes no sense.

There are other elements in the story like this.  Someone might try to have you killed to start some kind of war, and when you foil that plot you then for some reason do NOTHING to make sure that person doesn't go and do it again.  There's a lot of bizarre stuff like that, which make sense in the context of the game being rushed so they basically give you zero real choices.

[FedericoV]

It's not surprising that they are developing DA3 allready. I only hope that they will take their time and do the game they want to make without all the restrictions that plagued DA2. Good luck Bioware: you have to do it right or the DA franchise is dead.

[Brilhros]

I just hope that if they promise something epic, that it will actually be epic this time...Something like becoming an Andraste of sorts, something that shakes the foundations of the world, something that changes it forever. Maybe ending the blights alltogether.

Just not some errand boy whose "influence" is centered on a city where he can't even change other people's mind.

I remember how BG2 Throne of Bhaal ended, leting you become a god from the same humble beginings, and that whole experience was epic.

[Persephone]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Laidlaw, thanks for making everyone not care about a Dragon Age sequel anymore. I don't know how, but you did it.

'Everyone' seems to have a funny way of showing they don't care. Bordering on obsession.

It's been over 2 months....aren't there........more important things?

I for one am looking forward to DAIII and hope that Bioware will get the time, resources and team they need to make it a crowning success. And if not....they universe will still go on. Somehow......

[Persephone]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Skyplant wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

Ariella wrote...


Really, I, personally happened to enjoy the trials and tribulations of Hawke and how she dealt with her situation. She was as real to me as any character I've written or played. I got to find out the real story behind the myth of "the Champion of Kirkwall", who turned out to be not some chosen one, but someone who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and ended up a hero despite it.

You may feel that way, but I felt like I was reading a story of Hawke, not influencing or directing the story of Hawke, which was rather what I was promised as a game. I like the story on its own, but as a game story, and a Bioware story, I was pretty disappointed that I was on the kiddie wheels throughout.

I do find that odd, but this is a your mileage may vary type of situation. Then again I always have played RPGs like they were choose your own adventures. I play on casual, I'm not a big fan of combat (but amazingly I enjoyed it more in DA2 than most fantasy games), I like to get on with the story, where it's just me and the Dev team and what we come up with together.

Ha...that explains a lot, you play on Casual. No wonder you find DA2 better than DA:O, given that DA2 is a lot more brainless button bashing. Nevermind the other GLARING faults.

Man, from the replies since last night it's clear they could forcefeed you crap and you'd just guzzle it down.
Such a paperweight defense you've tried to construct as well...can't actually rebuff my arguments so you question what I'm doing here. N00b.

And yes, thats Leet speak, and no, I don't care if you critique it. I've played enough CSS and SC2 at near competition level justify it's use.

Dragon age 2 was an rpg for people that don't like rpgs.

In your opinion, I like CRPGs all the way back to Wizardry 1. I like Dragon Age 2. So no Dragon Age 2 is not just for people who do not like CRPGS. Yes I have played most of the big and many little CRPGs in the past 30 years.

+1

The "You play it on casual = You're a Biodrone who'd buy crap as long as it has the Bioware logo on it" is a new one though.

Rudeness taken to a whooooooooooooole new level.

[CaptainZaysh]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ha...that explains a lot, you play on Casual. No wonder you find DA2 better than DA:O, given that DA2 is a lot more brainless button bashing. Nevermind the other GLARING faults.

Man, from the replies since last night it's clear they could forcefeed you crap and you'd just guzzle it down.
Such a paperweight defense you've tried to construct as well...can't actually rebuff my arguments so you question what I'm doing here. N00b.

And yes, thats Leet speak, and no, I don't care if you critique it. I've played enough CSS and SC2 at near competition level justify it's use.

Wow, what a dick.

[Nattfare]

Yep, and he feels all special because he has to play the hardest difficulty on every game.