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[Gotholhorakh]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Wikipedia divides role playing video games into the following sub-genres:

Action role-playing game
Role-playing shooter
Adventure role-playing game
Dungeon crawl
Japanese-style role-playing game
Roguelike
Massively multiplayer online role-playing game
Role-playing eroge
Online text-based role-playing game
MUD
Strategy role-playing game
Tactical role-playing game
Turn-based role-playing game

So role playing video games has a very wide definition which cam encompass many games that some people on this forum would not consider CRPGS. So DA 2 is a CRPG. Wizardry 1 is a CRPG. Heroes of Might and Magic blurs the line between genres and could be regarded in some aspects as a CRPG.
What DA III will be is up to Bioware.

Wikipedia's breakdown of what constitutes an RPG is just done by some person. Probably someone who has
an account here or on rpgcodex.

It is of no more or less value than simply asserting "these things are/aren't RPGs" yourself in a post, and IMO it muddies the waters a bit to introduce it.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 21 mai 2011 - 07:04 .

[YohkoOhno]

Not necessarilly. WP has been edited by dozens of people, and if you look at the history they have done a lot of research on the subject. The genre has gone through so many changes that's why you see a lot of subcategories. It's also well sourced, which makes it easier to verify.

[Drachasor]

I don't know why people would say DA2 isn't an RPG. It clearly is. It just isn't a good RPG.

[Esoj16]

 But I liked DA2......*Hides behind cover*

In all seriousness, and on topic, I really hope they will make great improvements to DA3

1.  Merge the DA:O and DA2 companion system where you have a more in depth relationship with your companions such as in DA:O but with more dynamic converstations such as in DA2
2.  Have a more cohesive storyline, I personally liked the darker tone of DA2 but I miss some of the humor of DA:O
3.  Please oh please have UNIQUE and interesting environments instead of reusing the same three caves throughout the whole game
4.  Bring back the decision making from DA:O, I honestly felt like my choices in DA2 had absolutely no impact on the world, no matter what I chose there was still Mage v. Templar war, meanwhile in DA:O I chose the king of Ozrammar, the King of Ferelden, the fate of a holy relic, wether to annul the circle, etc., DA:O was just much much better with giving me choices
5.  New engine please, one with improved graphics but that can handle the overhead camera from DA:O, pretty please?

My top 5 wishes for DA3 

[Ariella]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ha...that explains a lot, you play on Casual. No wonder you find DA2 better than DA:O, given that DA2 is a lot more brainless button bashing. Nevermind the other GLARING faults.

Man, from the replies since last night it's clear they could forcefeed you crap and you'd just guzzle it down.
Such a paperweight defense you've tried to construct as well...can't actually rebuff my arguments so you question what I'm doing here. N00b.

And yes, thats Leet speak, and no, I don't care if you critique it. I've played enough CSS and SC2 at near competition level justify it's use.

So I play on causal, so do a lot of people, so what? I played DAO on casual as well. And please don't put words in my mouth. I like DAO, I cheered when we got the cameos of certain characters and one in particular happened to mention my Cousland. I thought the whole conversation was very funny since it was from a different point of view.

Just because I'm not a fan of combat in RPGs I'm a "newbie", that's just funny. And I have rebuffed your argument, you just don't accept it since you seem to have annointed yourself the maven of all great things. And considering the fact you've avoid HUGE parts of my argument to nit pick.

And I do question what you're doing here. After you left, I had great coversations with people who disagreed with me. It wasn't an attempt to "win" anything. We just conversed like adults about what we liked, what we didn't. You seem to be here to be the specter at the banquet. The one who wants to ruin the fun for everybody. The doom sayer. Even Everwarden, while I disagree with his tactic and his position, is able to articulate his problems when engaged, and he doesn't try to turn it into a contest.

You, James, aren't interested in DA2, are interested in winning, in being right, no matter what. You have no evidence to back you up. You claim 9/10 people disliked the game yet you can't prove that in any factual manner.

So you play CSS and SC2, big deal. DA2 isn't a strategy game one tries to win.

I was just pointing out that one who claims someone else's writing is purile tripe then uses leet speak as a way to insult a person he is talking to, maybe should look in the mirror.

And as for a real foreign language here's to you, James:

A broch tsu dayn lebn, farshtinkener :innocent:

Modifié par Ariella, 21 mai 2011 - 08:46 .

[Ariella]

simfamSP wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

You two on this page are pretending that this hasn't always been the case.

Baldur's Gate 2 had a short dev period. BG, KOTOR, NWN, and the like were all work for hire jobs where they got only a tiny portion of the profits and did the lion's share of the work. They shelled out games as quickly as possible to make any kind of money to stay afloat.

Mass Effect 1 was another clearly rushed game.

Hell, I can't think of a game of their's that wasn't rushed....possibly ME2 which was really polished when it came out.

<_<... atleast they were finished.

I tend to give NWN a small pass because of all the litigation and crazy that surrounded it, but NWN wasn't really a finished game. If anything it probably stands, to me at least, as the least polished OC they've ever created. The two expansions made up for that, but the first NWN was buggy, loot found in every barrel that was little better than junk. Fed Ex quests made up the majority of the main storyline. Henchmen, and only one at that, who were barely more than an extra body. The original NWN could have used a LOT more dev time and storywork.

I will give that a part of it was Atari (irony that they later published TW and TW2 while having problems with the brothel in the city,) and on interplay, but Bioware really could have used another six months to a year to get the game out and smooth the story.

[Everwarden]

Drachasor wrote...
It just isn't a good RPG.

This.

[Faust1979]

I say bring it on! I look forward to just about all their games, well except for the new star wars game and the sonic one. Don't care to play them

[foogoo]

All they need to do for DA3 is to make it like Origins, guaranteed it won't fail, but make it better. Keep the fast paced combat and the stylish combat animations of DA2. All DA3 needs is effort, quality and length which Bioware hardcore gamers and non-bioware gamers can appreciate. But priority is don't diss bioware gamers!

[Realmzmaster]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Wikipedia divides role playing video games into the following sub-genres:

Action role-playing game
Role-playing shooter
Adventure role-playing game
Dungeon crawl
Japanese-style role-playing game
Roguelike
Massively multiplayer online role-playing game
Role-playing eroge
Online text-based role-playing game
MUD
Strategy role-playing game
Tactical role-playing game
Turn-based role-playing game

So role playing video games has a very wide definition which cam encompass many games that some people on this forum would not consider CRPGS. So DA 2 is a CRPG. Wizardry 1 is a CRPG. Heroes of Might and Magic blurs the line between genres and could be regarded in some aspects as a CRPG.
What DA III will be is up to Bioware.

Wikipedia's breakdown of what constitutes an RPG is just done by some person. Probably someone who has
an account here or on rpgcodex.

It is of no more or less value than simply asserting "these things are/aren't RPGs" yourself in a post, and IMO it muddies the waters a bit to introduce it.

Yes it is done by some person, but all of history is recorded by some person. If they can verify their sources and there is a long list of primary sources then the information can be vaildated. Also the book Desktops and Dungeons by Matt Barton takes note of the different sub-genres and different  "ages".  (Good book if a little outdated now)..

[Morty Smith]

Too bewitched to care right now. Keep streamlining.

[Ariella]

Skyplant wrote...

Dragon age 2 was an rpg for people that don't like rpgs.

Care to justify that, Sky? Considering I've probably been playing RPGs in general and cRPGs for quite some time, I have to wonder where you can make that assumption. And you know what happens when you make assumptions.

[Merced652]

Ariella wrote...

Skyplant wrote...

Dragon age 2 was an rpg for people that don't like rpgs.

Care to justify that, Sky? Considering I've probably been playing RPGs in general and cRPGs for quite some time, I have to wonder where you can make that assumption. And you know what happens when you make assumptions.

I know what happens. Mike Laidlaw thinks you'll love his game. 

[Ariella]

Merced652 wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Skyplant wrote...

Dragon age 2 was an rpg for people that don't like rpgs.

Care to justify that, Sky? Considering I've probably been playing RPGs in general and cRPGs for quite some time, I have to wonder where you can make that assumption. And you know what happens when you make assumptions.

I know what happens. Mike Laidlaw thinks you'll love his game. 

Really? I like the game, so what. Does that suddenly mean I'm the blood enemy of everyone who didn't? Don't think so. I like RPGs, all kinds of RPGs. I don't see why the sudden assumption I don't because I like this one. 

And no, it makes an **** out of you and me. Take that as you will.

[toggled]

Interesting. Needless to say I won't pre-order Dragon Age III. Already got burned doing that with #2. But, I'll keep my eye out for the reviews (reviews from good sites, like metacritic, and not the paid reviews, mind you).

[Scimal]

Realmzmaster wrote...


Yes it is done by some person, but all of history is recorded by some person. If they can verify their sources and there is a long list of primary sources then the information can be vaildated. Also the book Desktops and Dungeons by Matt Barton takes note of the different sub-genres and different  "ages".  (Good book if a little outdated now)..

It doesn't matter how prominent their sources are, because all of the definitions of RPG except one are up for subjective interpretation.

The only one which must meet the RPG title is a game that has a role to play, thus a Role-playing Game. The belief that just about any game meets that requirement so there must be something "more" to RPGs is just that - a belief.

To put it a different way; You cannot conduct a scientific test between DA:O and DA2 to determine whether or not DA2 is quantitatively "more" or "less" of an RPG than DA:O.

What you can get is consensus and converging opinions - which this board shows in spades. Oddly enough, though, it's not the opinions of the fans that matter so much as the opinions of the game creators that matter. Fans are merely offered a choice between various interpretations of "RPG" and buy from companies whose designers' opinions coincide with their own. The people of these boards could not post loud and hard enough to instigate major design decisions (though it's apparent they're trying). The best fans can do is not buy a product they will dislike, and buy a competitor's product which closely resembles what they want.

And that's why you see people claiming that a "Junk" tab is streamlining, VO protagonist is immersion breaking, and that another game coming out on 11/11/11 is the new Messiah of RPG-dom when they haven't so much as sniffed the box.

[Ariella]

Scimal wrote...


And that's why you see people claiming that a "Junk" tab is streamlining, VO protagonist is immersion breaking, and that another game coming out on 11/11/11 is the new Messiah of RPG-dom when they haven't so much as sniffed the box.

If that's the Messiah of RPG-dom, I want to be left behind. Sandbox games leave me cold.

[NedPepper]

Friera wrote...

Seriously?! Im I the only one here who trul enjoyed DAII? Ofcourse the envoironmental think is ****, but the rest of it I really enjoyed. And Im gonna get so dissapointed if they don´t release an extenion and properly finished DAII with Hawkes as the protagonist.... Does anyone in here believe they will cut of Hawkes story because it got bad reviews? It still sold gold...
Hawke was allright, I guess. But I truly think the cast otherwise was stronge, like Aveline, Fenris and Isabella. I´d love for them to return...

No, there are a lot of us who like it.  We just don't like having to enter a conversation with people who go out of their way to bring every topic into how much they hate one video game.  At this point, nearly three months after the release, it's just sad and pathetic.

[Zanallen]

nedpepper wrote...

Friera wrote...

Seriously?! Im I the only one here who trul enjoyed DAII? Ofcourse the envoironmental think is ****, but the rest of it I really enjoyed. And Im gonna get so dissapointed if they don´t release an extenion and properly finished DAII with Hawkes as the protagonist.... Does anyone in here believe they will cut of Hawkes story because it got bad reviews? It still sold gold...
Hawke was allright, I guess. But I truly think the cast otherwise was stronge, like Aveline, Fenris and Isabella. I´d love for them to return...

No, there are a lot of us who like it.  We just don't like having to enter a conversation with people who go out of their way to bring every topic into how much they hate one video game.  At this point, nearly three months after the release, it's just sad and pathetic.

I enjoyed the game, but I'm tired of defending it and have now initiated snark mode.

[Ariella]

Zanallen wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

Friera wrote...

Seriously?! Im I the only one here who trul enjoyed DAII? Ofcourse the envoironmental think is ****, but the rest of it I really enjoyed. And Im gonna get so dissapointed if they don´t release an extenion and properly finished DAII with Hawkes as the protagonist.... Does anyone in here believe they will cut of Hawkes story because it got bad reviews? It still sold gold...
Hawke was allright, I guess. But I truly think the cast otherwise was stronge, like Aveline, Fenris and Isabella. I´d love for them to return...

No, there are a lot of us who like it.  We just don't like having to enter a conversation with people who go out of their way to bring every topic into how much they hate one video game.  At this point, nearly three months after the release, it's just sad and pathetic.

I enjoyed the game, but I'm tired of defending it and have now initiated snark mode.

Why does this make me nervous, Zanellan?

[Elhanan]

toggled wrote...

Interesting. Needless to say I won't pre-order Dragon Age III. Already got burned doing that with #2. But, I'll keep my eye out for the reviews (reviews from good sites, like metacritic, and not the paid reviews, mind you).

If the recent 10 vs 0 wars over at that metacritic site does not prove to anyone that their stats are tainted; nothing will. Enjoy!

[Zanallen]

Ariella wrote...

Why does this make me nervous, Zanallen?

Dunno. I don't post terribly often. Nor am I terribly humorous.

Modifié par Zanallen, 22 mai 2011 - 02:05 .

[Faust1979]

I hope DA3 has an all new main character I hope each game has this and taking place in a different part of the world. That way all the stories can be self contained yet still being part of the same world and lore.