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[Morroian]

Yrkoon wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

If the recent 10 vs 0 wars over at that metacritic site does not prove to anyone that their stats are tainted; nothing will. Enjoy!

 It doesn't.    And perhaps you need to do a little more research  on polls.

The user polls are self selected are they not, so by definition they are unreliable.

[Dominator24]

Well I sure know one thing and that is that I won't preorder it, and no amount of advertising will change my mind.

[tariq071]

Dominator24 wrote...

Well I sure know one thing and that is that I won't preorder it, and no amount of advertising will change my mind.

Yah , well good luck selling 400k preorders this time around.

I will buy it post -release , but only when if i see that is completely opposite of what DA:Kirkwall was and no Hawke(or any of his cronies) to be found anywhere. Not that i am holding my breath about that happening anyways.

Modifié par tariq071, 22 mai 2011 - 12:04 .

[Gotholhorakh]

tariq071 wrote...

Dominator24 wrote...

Well I sure know one thing and that is that I won't preorder it, and no amount of advertising will change my mind.

Yah , well good luck selling 400k preorders this time around.

I will buy it post -release , but only when if i see that is completely opposite of what DA:Kirkwall was and no Hawke(or any of his cronies) to be found anywhere. Not that i am holding my breath about that happening anyways.

Yep, DA2 is New Coke.

It doesn't matter how hard people try to stick to it to vindicate themselves, or tell people "it's our decision, deal with it"...

Coca Cola did exactly the same thing when they introduced New Coke, and in the end they had to climb back down because people didn't want it.

Sure, they got millions of sales from enthusiastic people who liked coke before, just like DA2 got preorders, but those same people stopped buying once they discovered that despite the branding, it wasn't what they were expecting.

Unless they reject New Dragon Age, and bring back classic Dragon Age, Dragon Age is doomed.

New Coke has things to tell BioWare. One of those things might be that sometimes, just sometimes, people are entirely happy with the way a particular aspect of your product is, and innovating that aspect away can actually be a bad thing.


For my part, if DA3 is another can of New Coke, forget it.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 22 mai 2011 - 12:28 .

[Persephone]

toggled wrote...

Interesting. Needless to say I won't pre-order Dragon Age III. Already got burned doing that with #2. But, I'll keep my eye out for the reviews (reviews from good sites, like metacritic, and not the paid reviews, mind you).

I LOLed.

Metacritic....a good site? For what?

Well, they are rather good at trolling there.

Modifié par Persephone, 22 mai 2011 - 02:52 .

[Persephone]

Zanallen wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

If the recent 10 vs 0 wars over at that metacritic site does not prove to anyone that their stats are tainted; nothing will. Enjoy!

Haven't you heard? Metacritic userscores are completely legit when they agree with your position, otherwise they are troll tainted trash. Scepticism and making your own decisions is for losers.

Your snark mode is made of win. As is this post.

[_Aine_]

I will wait and see. Yes, I will use the reviews, not for the individual "scores" but to see if the game has the mood, story, playability that I would like from a game. I just use reviews to glean relevant (to me) info from something I can't see or play myself yet. Do I trust anything horrifically low? No, I don't. I find it hard to believe many games could rank under 2 or 3. 9 or 10 scores *could* be possible. 10 would be difficult, but far easier than a 0. Besides, if someone likes a game that i don't like, it may very well be for the same reasons, for each of us! And, sometimes games work for us, and we like them, despite popular opinion. All you can do is a) trust or research and decide. I tend to swing to the b side. =) Although it is also true I tend to put my faith in friends recommendations on games. If they like them, regardless of "review rank" I will probably try them, based on my friends liking them.  

Modifié par shantisands, 22 mai 2011 - 02:08 .

[TJPags]

Dominator24 wrote...

Well I sure know one thing and that is that I won't preorder it, and no amount of advertising will change my mind.

Yea, I pretty much pe-ordered my first and last game with DA2.

Try making a complete game this time, instead of packing a half-finished mess with a ton of pe-order bonus material.

Oh, and lose the awesome button, and make some different areas.

[Persephone]

Well, aren't there other DAIII related things we could talk about except hating on DAII in the same old way? The "Constructive Criticism" already exists for criticizing DAII.

I for one hope that DAIII will get AT LEAST 2 1/2 years development time. Wonder WHEN the development actually started. When DAII went gold? (3 would be perfect) The franchise could be kept alive via DLC and expansions in the meantime. (LOTSB quality, please) I'm curious to find out more. TW2 and Skyrim (Even though I'm no longer a TES fan) did/will set the bar very high. So if Bioware wants to remain on top, they will have to put all their brilliance (Proven many times over the years) into DAIII and future DA related content. Let's hope that they will.

[enigmist]

i would seriously like some better sex scenes and more romance in general

[Yrkoon]

Elhanan wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

If the recent 10 vs 0 wars over at that metacritic site does not prove to anyone that their stats are tainted; nothing will. Enjoy!

 It doesn't.    And perhaps you need to do a little more research  on polls.

Perhaps, but I won't. When I see that that scores given for a game are being emplaced in such a polarized manner, the staistical outcome may be highly doubtful and extremely prejudicial towards the biased majority. Pass..

They're called POLLS Elhanan.  Polls are used to measure  public opinion.

Are you calling metacritic's user ratings "tainted" because they're fueled by.... user opinion?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 22 mai 2011 - 03:37 .

[Solivagant]

""They're called POLLS Elhanan. Polls are used to measure public opinion.

Are you calling metacritic's user ratings "tainted" because they contain.... user opinion?""

Metacritic is tainted because a review that does not contain numerical score will still be counted for the system. Since I'm researching Artificial Intelligence, I know for a fact you could throw a review at a bunch of bots, feed them an interesting dictionary of words and you'd get automatic results. Do you agree this system works? Is a bunch of machines telling us what's good or bad?

Edit: Now I see, you mean the one's attributed by users... Well, those can also be tainted. That's what I get for replying in fervor. I don't have the agility for these topics in the forums anymore.

Modifié par Solivagant, 22 mai 2011 - 03:41 .

[Yrkoon]

If the same system is used across the board for all games, then by definition, it's not "tainted" or "bias".. It's called a "measuing stick". And don't kid yourselves people, there isn't a single gaming company in the world  that doesn't   intensly  watch and follow metacritic poll results.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 22 mai 2011 - 03:45 .

[Ariella]

Yrkoon wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

If the recent 10 vs 0 wars over at that metacritic site does not prove to anyone that their stats are tainted; nothing will. Enjoy!

 It doesn't.    And perhaps you need to do a little more research  on polls.

Perhaps, but I won't. When I see that that scores given for a game are being emplaced in such a polarized manner, the staistical outcome may be highly doubtful and extremely prejudicial towards the biased majority. Pass..

They're called POLLS Elhanan.  Polls are used to measure  public opinion.

Are you calling metacritic's user ratings "tainted" because they contain.... user opinion?

No, they're tainted because they're uncontrolled. Anyone can come up with an account (or three) and throw on their opinion. It's not scientific in nature and can be tilted one way or another, just like those March Madness developer vs. that come out every year. Internet based polls or user rating systems aren't usually reliable.

If you want a good solid poll, you commision a pollster to do it. They get a cross section of the consumer base, and ask questions. Unfortunately since most pollsters or groups are expensive they usually work for corperations and thus we won't have access to their numbers.

[Yrkoon]

<sigh> If the same system is used across the board for all games, then by definition, it's not "tainted" or "bias".. It's called a "measuing stick"... one that can be used to compare and measure  public  reception to a game.      And as a result,  there isn't a single gaming company in the world that doesn't intensly watch and follow metacritic poll results.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 22 mai 2011 - 03:51 .

[Ariella]

Yrkoon wrote...

<sigh> If the same system is used across the board for all games, then by definition, it's not "tainted" or "bias".. It's called a "measuing stick"... one that can be used to compare and measure  public  reception to a game.      And as a result,  there isn't a single gaming company in the world that doesn't intensly watch and follow metacritic poll results.

They may pay attention to the critic average, but considering the fact that there was a massive campaign to give DA2 0s on the day it came out... metacritic's user "review" aren't reliable as a meter stick

[Elhanan]

For myself, I need no other reason to pass on metacritic than my own opinion.

For others, it may be that the stats may be inaccurate and misleading:

http://www.diedagain...ratings-for-now

If one believes that the same game merits a majority of tens or zeroes, with few vites falling between them can be useful in helping them spend their funds; go for it. I prefer to look elsewhere, and avoid the bias as much as possible.

Modifié par Elhanan, 22 mai 2011 - 04:08 .

[tariq071]

Ariella wrote...

They may pay attention to the critic average, but considering the fact that there was a massive campaign to give DA2 0s on the day it came out... metacritic's user "review" aren't reliable as a meter stick

Considering that only happened to DA II and no other game on Metacritic, one can question is that really what happened or it was just customers dissatisfaction with product that was not as advertised.

That is unless one counts few futile attempts by some BW fans on latest RPG that came out other day.

So maybe , just maybe it was not "organized mob" but actually grade that game deserved it.After all, only one that claimed that being "organized attempt"  was BW and their fans.Not quite reliable source at all,if you ask me.


@Elhanan

That is result of whole charade with BW employee rating game 10, not some "chain whatever" campaign.

Modifié par tariq071, 22 mai 2011 - 04:10 .

[Elhanan]

tariq071 wrote...

Considering that only happened to DA II and no other game on Metacritic, one can question is that really what happened or it was just customers dissatisfaction with product that was not as advertised.

That is unless one counts few futile attempts by some BW fans on latest RPG that came out other day.

So maybe , just maybe it was not "organized mob" but actually grade that game deserved it.After all, only one that claimed that being "organized attempt"  was BW and their fans.Not quite reliable source at all,if you ask me.

I do not follow metacritic, but this kind of voting was seen in The Witcher 2, though possibly no call was made for instant votes.

[tariq071]

Elhanan wrote...

I do not follow metacritic, but this kind of voting was seen in The Witcher 2, though possibly no call was made for instant votes.

Witcher 2 was available in my local store day before official release, plenty of time to play it through Prologue and most of the Act I, and make decent observation by the official release date.

Modifié par tariq071, 22 mai 2011 - 04:15 .

[MonkeyLungs]

Ariella wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

<sigh> If the same system is used across the board for all games, then by definition, it's not "tainted" or "bias".. It's called a "measuing stick"... one that can be used to compare and measure  public  reception to a game.      And as a result,  there isn't a single gaming company in the world that doesn't intensly watch and follow metacritic poll results.

They may pay attention to the critic average, but considering the fact that there was a massive campaign to give DA2 0s on the day it came out... metacritic's user "review" aren't reliable as a meter stick

DA:O for PC = Metascore 91 / Userscore 8.3
DA:O for 360 = Metascore 86 / Userscore 7.5
Mass Effect 2 for PC = Metascore 94 / Userscore 8.8
ME2 for 360 = Metascore 96 / Userscore 9.0

So what went wrong with DA2 (79/4.4)? Looks like the game really angered alot of fans. How come people didn't come out to hate on ME2 and DA:O like this? ME2 was criticised by hardcore fans as well, quite heavily.

Modifié par MonkeyLungs, 22 mai 2011 - 04:19 .

[Flashflame58]

I'm getting the sequel no matter what, I just hope that they make the game longer and more rich as far as story goes. And please, if DA3 is in Orlais (which everyone seems to think, for good reason), please do not limit us to Val Royeaux or any other city and its next immediate areas.

[NedPepper]

Faust1979 wrote...

I hope DA3 has an all new main character I hope each game has this and taking place in a different part of the world. That way all the stories can be self contained yet still being part of the same world and lore.

 I remember from a previous interview that that was the idea.  That Dragon Age is about the world.  Mass Effect is about Shepard.  The only issue is that the Warden's story isn't totally finished and Hawke has a missing three years and a complete cliffhanger. 

They need to finish Hawke's and the Warden's story in DLC.  Or somehow incorporate them into a much bigger tapestry.

But overall I agree.  A new protaganist every game would be cool for me.  I like Hawke, but I'm not sure I want to play every game with my Hawke.  I like to switch things up.

[Morroian]

tariq071 wrote...

So maybe , just maybe it was not "organized mob" but actually grade that game deserved it

If you think DA2 deserved the zeros it got ............. well lets just say you're not being objective and assessing the game on its own merits. There's a reason statisticians remove the outlying scores in a sample.

Metacritic is self selected and thus prone to manipulation by those who feel most strongly. You're not getting an objective opinion of the game because those who are most objective don't vote and those who do post purely emotional reactions. Heck I love the game but I can't be bothered voting on metacritic. If the industry relies on user reviews from it then they're idiots.

Modifié par Morroian, 23 mai 2011 - 12:35 .

[ErichHartmann]

Flashflame58 wrote...

I'm getting the sequel no matter what, I just hope that they make the game longer and more rich as far as story goes. And please, if DA3 is in Orlais (which everyone seems to think, for good reason), please do not limit us to Val Royeaux or any other city and its next immediate areas.

Pretty much how I feel.  Whatever happens I'm pre-ordering DA3.