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[Dave of Canada]

Hawke was one of my favourite protagonists simply because of how powerless they are, everything happens around them and they simply try and deal with it. I loved not having a protagonist that the world bows before me because of how awesome they are.

While there is a few problems with it, namely how being Champion is entirely pointless, I enjoyed Hawke and I'm pretty sure he/she could return into another story where they finally become of some importance due to their role in the events of DA2.

Just like how the Warden is always powerless before Ostagar, I view DA2 as Hawke's "origin" story. (S)He's powerless until they are thrust in the spotlight. Though I wouldn't mourn Hawke not returning, I love meeting new people with different perspectives.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 23 mai 2011 - 08:24 .

[jlb524]

I liked Hawke way more than the Warden. Even given different origins, you are still pretty limited on what paths you could take once you got going. My Dalish 'Warden' would have rather walked off into the forest and died instead of joining the Wardens...but she had to...because...she had to. Then, after she was 'cured' why couldn't she walk off?

[Mr.House]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hawke was one of my favourite protagonists simply because of how powerless they are, everything happens around them and they simply try and deal with it. I loved not having a protagonist that the world bows before me because of how awesome they are.

While there is a few problems with it, namely how being Champion is entirely pointless, I enjoyed Hawke and I'm pretty sure he/she could return into another story where they finally become of some importance due to their role in the events of DA2.

Just like how the Warden is always powerless before Ostagar, I view DA2 as Hawke's "origin" story. (S)He's powerless until they are thrust in the spotlight. Though I wouldn't mourn Hawke not returning, I love meeting new people with different perspectives.

I counld't have said it better.

[Dave of Canada]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

So I paid 449 kr for the prolouge of Hawke's story?

Well, the (large) majority of DA2 was an introduction to the ending's events. Hawke was sought out by Cassandra to assist in solving them. So... pretty much, yeah.

[Bryy_Miller]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hawke was one of my favourite protagonists simply because of how powerless they are, everything happens around them and they simply try and deal with it. I loved not having a protagonist that the world bows before me because of how awesome they are.

While there is a few problems with it, namely how being Champion is entirely pointless, I enjoyed Hawke and I'm pretty sure he/she could return into another story where they finally become of some importance due to their role in the events of DA2.

Just like how the Warden is always powerless before Ostagar, I view DA2 as Hawke's "origin" story. (S)He's powerless until they are thrust in the spotlight. Though I wouldn't mourn Hawke not returning, I love meeting new people with different perspectives.

So I paid 449 kr for the prolouge of Hawke's story?

You really want to stay away from The Witcher 2 in this case.

[Mr.House]

*grabs popcorn*

[KnightofPhoenix]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Haven't finished TW2, pal.

Both DA2 and TW2 end with cliffhangers.

Except TW2 does it right after perfectly building it up throughout the game and makes me thirst for more (while still resolving some key issues), while DA2 makes me want to never see Hawke ever again and doesn't really make me want to learn what happens next.

[Faust1979]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...
and if they got rid of Hawke. Worst. RPG PC. Ever.

Oh heck yea, I don't want to see that pile of fail ever again.

Seriously. We're stuck with shallow family members(who get killed off like flies, BTW), her choices don't matter, I didn't get to determine her rise to power(the barely coherent plot did), she isn't relevant enough for people to listen to her advice, she doesn't have a clear cut antagonist(like Letho, Jon Irenicus, Loghain, Jacques De Aldersberg etc, etc) and the character's "choices" just served to move the plot along. Not to mention that I could RP The Warden much better than her(she could be a racist elf, greedy dwarf, vengeful human etc, etc).

I just did not care about "her" story(Anders is the main character, and you know it. Hawke is NOT the most important person in all of Thedas).

The choices in the first game just served to move the plot along. Also the story in the first game is kinda padded out and repetative. Every place you go to involves having to help some people to help themselves. Go to the mages tower, got kill the main villain there go to the elves nope werewolf problems. It's like each section is unrelated to the main game. The problems they face have little to do with the over all story just seems like it's sometimes there just to make it feel longer than it needed to be. This is coming from someone who loves both games

Modifié par Faust1979, 23 mai 2011 - 08:53 .

[Faust1979]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...
and if they got rid of Hawke. Worst. RPG PC. Ever.

Oh heck yea, I don't want to see that pile of fail ever again.

Seriously. We're stuck with shallow family members(who get killed off like flies, BTW), her choices don't matter, I didn't get to determine her rise to power(the barely coherent plot did), she isn't relevant enough for people to listen to her advice, she doesn't have a clear cut antagonist(like Letho, Jon Irenicus, Loghain, Jacques De Aldersberg etc, etc) and the character's "choices" just served to move the plot along. Not to mention that I could RP The Warden much better than her(she could be a racist elf, greedy dwarf, vengeful human etc, etc).

I just did not care about "her" story(Anders is the main character, and you know it. Hawke is NOT the most important person in all of Thedas).

The choices in the first game just served to move the plot along. Also the story in the first game is kinda padded out and repetative. Every place you go to involves having to help some people to help themselves. Go to the mages tower, got kill the main villain there go to the elves nope werewolf problems. It's like each section is unrelated to the main game. The problems they face have little to do with the over all story just seems like it's sometimes there just to make it feel longer than it needed to be. This is coming from someone who loves both games

I agree. The Deep Roads was realllllllyyyyyy dragged out in Origins. But isn't every act like that in DA2, too? You kill the main boss, next act, main boss, final act, final boss(es).

Yeah I was just trying to point out that the same things people complain about in DAII are in the first game as well

[KnightofPhoenix]

Faust1979 wrote...
. It's like each section is unrelated to the main game. The problems they face have little to do with the over all story

The whole story is you gathering an army, so they are related to the main plot.

That said, it did not convey it that well, especially when I do not see how a lone Dalish clan or a lot of dead mages, or a relic hunt are relevent to my army building. But this is a general flaw of Bioware. They can't convey the feeling of a war properly and make you feel like a real leader gathering an army.

[NKKKK]

simfamSP wrote...

November 2014 early 2015 release = A good Bioware game :-)

This

[Bryy_Miller]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Haven't finished TW2, pal.

Both DA2 and TW2 end with cliffhangers.

Except TW2 does it right after perfectly building it up throughout the game and makes me thirst for more (while still resolving some key issues), while DA2 makes me want to never see Hawke ever again and doesn't really make me want to learn what happens next.

Really?

DA2 ends with characters walking away after a big battle. TW2 ends with characters walking away after a big battle. In TW2, all of the main bad guys get away, and an every bigger bad guy is on the horizon. In DA2, there is no main bad guy, and an even bigger bad guy is on the horizon. Both endings are excellent, but to say that TW2 is any different than DA2 in the regards of ending is lame. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Bryy_Miller wrote...
DA2 ends with characters walking away after a big battle. TW2 ends with characters walking away after a big battle. In TW2, all of the main bad guys get away, and an every bigger bad guy is on the horizon. In DA2, there is no main bad guy, and an even bigger bad guy is on the horizon. Both endings are excellent, but to say that TW2 is any different than DA2 in the regards of ending is lame. 

Superficial similarities, missing the essence and buildup each had. You don't judge an ending in isolation.

[Bryy_Miller]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...
DA2 ends with characters walking away after a big battle. TW2 ends with characters walking away after a big battle. In TW2, all of the main bad guys get away, and an every bigger bad guy is on the horizon. In DA2, there is no main bad guy, and an even bigger bad guy is on the horizon. Both endings are excellent, but to say that TW2 is any different than DA2 in the regards of ending is lame. 

Superficial similarities, missing the essence and buildup each had. You don't judge an ending in isolation.

DA2 also had build-up, but I can see that there's no sense arguing this point.

[tenshi_no_hone]

There's no point arguing any of this - some of us like DA2, some of us hate it. The community is so polarised by now that no one is likely to change their opinion and the word 'objectively' cannot be taken seriously.

I hope DA3 is great. But the forums will be just as split by any changes/bugs/flaws in it as they were with ME2 or with DA2. Sequelitis with a dash of EA is a recipe for an inevitable series of flame wars!

[Elhanan]

Hawke, the Warden, or a new character are fine by me.

[Zanallen]

I want a new character in a new setting and I hope each DA game, if there are more, follows that pattern.

[Faust1979]

Zanallen wrote...

I want a new character in a new setting and I hope each DA game, if there are more, follows that pattern.

I hope for the same! 

[Sidney]

I like the idea that each game is new and the world remains constant.

They're setting something up by mentioning the warden and champion vanishing. Could both come back?