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[Cyberstrike nTo]

Foolsfolly wrote...

KnossosTNC wrote...

So, they're working on a new Dragon Age game after all.

Well, as far as this subject is concerned, I only have one question for Bioware: should I lower my expectations for all future Dragon Age games? Because I had sky-high expectations for DA2, and when I finally played it, I feel burned.

In contrast, I gave Mass Effect 2 9/10 at GameSpot and replayed it four times. This is because I always had low expectations of the Mass Effect games - give me some good gunplay and a decent story and I'm happy. And I want to be happy when I play video games.

So what is it going to be, Bioware? Should I lower my expectations? Too early to answer? No worries, I'll ask again when you're ready.

Really? I put much more expectation on the ME series than the DA series. There hasn't been anything truly great in the DA series since the first entry. Awakening disappointed and so did DA2.

I think a lot of it is the merchadising aspects of each franchise:

Dragon Age
2 novels (and I haven't heard of a third one coming out).
One crappy 6-issue comic book mini-series that apprently didn't sell very well.
An anime movie that has been works for a while (or has that been canceled), 
A small line of toys.
A live-action web series starring Felica Day (who is probably the only reason why anyone will watch it).

Mass Effect
3 novels with a fourth one on the way.
Two succesful 4-issues comic book mini-series, and rumors are more on the way. 
A line of toys.
Optioned for a live action movie. 

Simply put Mass Effect has been more successful in other medias.

[CitizenThom]

General question... does DLC in general have a better profit margin (meaning both in quantity and reliability) than a full game? If it does, then I could see a 2014 release with DLC bridging the gap...think of it as fundraising. If DLC doesn't in general provide adequate cash flow, I can't see the next game being released later than late 2013. Now, DA2, ME3 DLC can both be tapped, so maybe such a cash flow is available... but I don't know the business end of gaming well enough to say one way or the other.

[In Exile]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Both DA2 and TW2 end with cliffhangers.

Except TW2 does it right after perfectly building it up throughout the game and makes me thirst for more (while still resolving some key issues), while DA2 makes me want to never see Hawke ever again and doesn't really make me want to learn what happens next.

The difference is in the start. We know there's something big afoot with the prologue with Cassandra and we know (or rather, are set up to believe) Hawke is central to all of that.

But then... it turns out that not only does Hawke not matter as much, but that you never actually deal with the plot that Cassandra introduced at the start of the game. So you're not satisfied.

Whereas TW2 has a framed narrative of sorts (but Geralt narrates) and then it goes right into the present and has you go after your antagonist, who you resolve your conflict with at the end of the game.

[In Exile]

Alistairlover94 wrote...
I agree. The Deep Roads was realllllllyyyyyy dragged out in Origins. But isn't every act like that in DA2, too? You kill the main boss, next act, main boss, final act, final boss(es).

That's what Bioare does. But without the perception of an antagonist, the illusion is shattered for the players, apparently. So Bioware got away with it in the past.

[upsettingshorts]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Superficial similarities, missing the essence and buildup each had. You don't judge an ending in isolation.

Your position on both games ending can be re-summarized thusly:

"I wasn't hooked by DA2's story like I was TW2's, therefore the thematically identical ending of the latter bothered me less."

[heretica]

It's the new CoD. A game per year.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Superficial similarities, missing the essence and buildup each had. You don't judge an ending in isolation.

Your position on both games ending can be re-summarized thusly:

"I wasn't hooked by DA2's story like I was TW2's, therefore the thematically identical ending of the latter bothered me less."

And?
Are you again implying that I came out and said that one ending is objectively better than the other when I didn't?

For reasons that I can list other than simply not being hooked by one and not the other. Or alternatively, I can explain why I was hooked to one and not the other.

EDIT: and the endings are not similar considering the amount of choices and variations you had with TW2's ending. And the resolution of a plot that started from the prologue (the Assassins). And the revelation of the plot behind the assassinations.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 mai 2011 - 03:06 .

[upsettingshorts]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And?

And... nothing.  Simply an observation.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And?

And... nothing.  Simply an observation.

Fair enough.

I edited as to why I feel that while there are similarities, the endings were still different, in that TW2 offered more consequences of previous choices, new choices and variations.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 mai 2011 - 03:11 .

[DrFumb1ezX]

I like how the twitter post specifically asked for environmental artists. That's kinda funny.

[marshalleck]

soccerchick wrote...

I like how the twitter post specifically asked for environmental artists. That's kinda funny.

Well they have a lot of catch-up to do.  

[Merced652]

lol? Lets say, for a just second, because to do more would be absurd, that DA2s and TW2s endings were identical by any stretch. Your sole basis is that both were hooks for future games. Now, which one did it better?

Exactly. Hell, actually seeing the culmination and conclusion of most if not all of your choices should've been enough to drive that point home. Its the polar opposite of DA2s forced and contrived ending.

[Sir Martyn Saint]

I quite agree with the link you have in your signature...
Very accurate review.
  http://www.rockpaper...-ii/#more-55711

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Filament wrote...

I may be slightly misconstruing John Epler's exact reason for locking it.

I do hope they find more excellent environmental artists than the ones they got for DA2. While possibly stealing another company's game engine.

Red engine?

  http://www.rockpaper...-ii/#more-55711

Modifié par Sir Martyn Saint, 24 mai 2011 - 04:03 .

[upsettingshorts]

Merced652 wrote...

lol? Lets say, for a just second, because to do more would be absurd, that DA2s and TW2s endings were identical by any stretch. Your sole basis is that both were hooks for future games. Now, which one did it better?

Exactly. Hell, actually seeing the culmination and conclusion of most if not all of your choices should've been enough to drive that point home. Its the polar opposite of DA2s forced and contrived ending.

I don't know because I lost interest in TW2 in Flotsam.

And that's not what I meant by "hook."  I meant that in the sense the player/audience bought in to the story and as such were emotionally invested in the ending.  

In other words, if you don't like DA2's story no ending would be good.  If you did, even a cliffhanger ending would be good.  It depends on if the player was hooked or not.

I can appreciate TW2's qualities as a game but the story failed to engage me, so the ending could be incredible but I simply would not care.  

[Merced652]

lol. Whatev, i suppose there is no accounting for taste.

[Solivagant]

I'm saving TW2 for a rainy day. I had ordered the Collector's edition but it was taking too long to ship so I just cancelled. Saved me 100 €!

[Wonderllama4]

I hope it's released in 2013. If they released it next year it's gonna be rushed and everyone will hate it, including critics

[NKKKK]

Wonderllama4 wrote...

I hope it's released in 2013. If they released it next year it's gonna be rushed and everyone will hate it, including critics

Even 2013 is cutting it close, maybe late 2013 at the earliest.

They can fill the gap with DLC 

[Wivvix]

I'm almost certain it will be rushed. I doubt Bioware has even had time to really contemplate how to move forward from DA2, much less make the significant changes needed to go back to DAO, reinvent, and onwards from there.

[MonkeyLungs]

Upsettingshorts wrote...


In other words, if you don't like DA2's story no ending would be good.  If you did, even a cliffhanger ending would be good.  It depends on if the player was hooked or not.

 

I would offer: Even if you like DA2 the ending can be very unsatisfactory. No matter your choices or dilligence in doing quests and gathering information you must slaughter two influential and powerful people.

I always look forward to Bioware's endings. Even when they are slightly leaning to cheese they still almost always left me feeling very satisfied and they usually make other games endings plae in comparison. DA2 ending was very unrewarding to me and I hated the blatant cliffhanger.

[foogoo]

Wivvix wrote...

I'm almost certain it will be rushed. I doubt Bioware has even had time to really contemplate how to move forward from DA2, much less make the significant changes needed to go back to DAO, reinvent, and onwards from there.

DA2 is done, DLC's for DA2 can be easily made doesn't matter what they make. They'll be busy with Star Wars: The Old Republic and ME3 this year, after ME3 comes out Q1 of 2012 they'll make ME3 DLC's, then they can focus on DA3 so doubtful DA3 will come out 2012. DA3 ain't gonna be rushed, no reason to cuz the star wars MMO is gonna bring in cash for Bioware which can then be used to fund DA3 to perfection like what WoW did to Blizzard.

MonkeyLungs wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...


In
other words, if you don't like DA2's story no ending would be good.  If
you did, even a cliffhanger ending would be good.  It depends on if the
player was hooked or not.

 

I
would offer: Even if you like DA2 the ending can be very unsatisfactory.
No matter your choices or dilligence in doing quests and gathering
information you must slaughter two influential and powerful people.

I
always look forward to Bioware's endings. Even when they are slightly
leaning to cheese they still almost always left me feeling very
satisfied and they usually make other games endings plae in comparison.
DA2 ending was very unrewarding to me and I hated the blatant
cliffhanger.

That's why there are DLC's/Expansions, so that you'll buy them. No reason to buy a DLC or Sequeal if there ain't any cliffhangers. It's an old old strategy.

Modifié par foogoo, 25 mai 2011 - 11:20 .

[Faust1979]

I see DA3 coming out around 2013-2014

[PinkShoes]

I reaallllly really really hope they take out the convasation systerm and put the old one back and listen to peoples feedback. I so hope they do. Dragon age 2 isnt a bad game by any means its fine, just fine. But Bioware is known for doing epic games so when you do an okay game it looks sh!tty.

[Merced652]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hawke was one of my favourite protagonists simply because of how powerless they are, everything happens around them and they simply try and deal with it. I loved not having a protagonist that the world bows before me because of how awesome they are.

While there is a few problems with it, namely how being Champion is entirely pointless, I enjoyed Hawke and I'm pretty sure he/she could return into another story where they finally become of some importance due to their role in the events of DA2.

Just like how the Warden is always powerless before Ostagar, I view DA2 as Hawke's "origin" story. (S)He's powerless until they are thrust in the spotlight. Though I wouldn't mourn Hawke not returning, I love meeting new people with different perspectives.

So I paid 449 kr for the prolouge of Hawke's story?

You really want to stay away from The Witcher 2 in this case.

Thats bull**** and you know it. Even if TW2 is largely about geralt regaining his memory; its still a better game and story than DA2. 

[In Exile]

Merced652 wrote...
Thats bull**** and you know it. Even if TW2 is largely about geralt regaining his memory; its still a better game and story than DA2.

Which, of course, it isn't (eta: TW2 being about Geralt's memory, I mean). The memory is just a thread throughout Geralt's adventure. It's his series spanning side-quest, of sorts. It was also a very cool use of artwork; like DA2, except, you know, more personal. Because Geralt was narrating.

Modifié par In Exile, 26 mai 2011 - 02:47 .