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[Drachasor]

If you listen to what Bioware says and what people who have left it have said, Bioware WANTS to make games superquick. Don't expect them to avoid making a quick buck ever again, and to heck if it sacrifices deeper and more compelling gameplay. All DA2 has taught is that they were a little bit too skimpy; I imagine they'll aim for the bare minimum to keep things selling decently. I don't expect them to ever go back to make games of the same quality or type as they once did.

[TUHD]

Drachasor wrote...

If you listen to what Bioware says and what people who have left it have said, Bioware WANTS to make games superquick. Don't expect them to avoid making a quick buck ever again, and to heck if it sacrifices deeper and more compelling gameplay. All DA2 has taught is that they were a little bit too skimpy; I imagine they'll aim for the bare minimum to keep things selling decently. I don't expect them to ever go back to make games of the same quality or type as they once did.

If they do that, they'll lose the majority of the fanbase - at least those who expect well-written games games (preferably RPGs), which aren't copied&pasted together and at least are longer then 30 hours at a regular pace.

[YohkoOhno]

I think the gaming industry in general is aiming for more episodic content. There are too many demands to be otherwise. I think what Bioware needs to do is make sure they learn how to do a quality job with less time/content. There's so much competition from the social and mobile games market and so much money they can't spend 3-5 years making a game anymore.

What Bioware needs to figure out is how to do a quality game in a shorter time frame. Assassin's Creed has done it, and other AAA titles are doing it now. I think DA2 was a transition that had a good ideal but flawed in its execution. Hopefully DA3 will figure out how to do this.

[astreqwerty]

like srsly?

[Foolsfolly]

You two on this page are pretending that this hasn't always been the case.

Baldur's Gate 2 had a short dev period. BG, KOTOR, NWN, and the like were all work for hire jobs where they got only a tiny portion of the profits and did the lion's share of the work. They shelled out games as quickly as possible to make any kind of money to stay afloat.

Mass Effect 1 was another clearly rushed game.

Hell, I can't think of a game of their's that wasn't rushed....possibly ME2 which was really polished when it came out.

[Hathur]

TUHD wrote...

If it'll be nov 2012 it will be rushed again, since they're still looking for people for the team. I hope for Q4 2013 or later.... but I won't get my hopes up.

Q4 2013 would still be too early, it'll end up just like DA2 if that were the case... Q4 2014 might give me some hope that they took the time to craft the game properly.

[Hathur]

Foolsfolly wrote...

You two on this page are pretending that this hasn't always been the case.

Baldur's Gate 2 had a short dev period. BG, KOTOR, NWN, and the like were all work for hire jobs where they got only a tiny portion of the profits and did the lion's share of the work. They shelled out games as quickly as possible to make any kind of money to stay afloat.

Mass Effect 1 was another clearly rushed game.

Hell, I can't think of a game of their's that wasn't rushed....possibly ME2 which was really polished when it came out.

You're mistaking what "rushed job" means with just poor game design elements.

Mass Effect 1 was about 3.5-4 years in development.. it's less than ideal combat mechanics were not due to "rush job", just lackluster design concepts (I still feel this is overstated by most, I never had issues with the combat when it first came out, felt fine to me).

Dragon Age Origins was in development for over 5 years (hence why the world feels so detailed, rich and well crafted.. they had a lot of time to spend on developing it).

Mass Effect 2 was in development for over 2 years.

Dragon Age 2 was in development for just a bit under 2 years.

Modifié par Hathur, 20 mai 2011 - 11:32 .

[TUHD]

@YohkoOhno: you shouldn't compare DA with AC. AC features the same engine etc, and only polishes up the textures etc.. the general setup of cities and landscapes stays the same. It's an 'hit the button and let it roll out'-process. Ubisoft does a good job with it, but it's nowhere near the advanced techniques an RPG requires.
@Foolsfolly: compare the average required time for an good RPG in the days of NWN, BG etc (and the graphics) with those days. NWN, BG etc had an relative normal development time in those days. However, in the present an good RPG requires minimally 2 years due to all the new techniques that exist and are expected by fans to be integrated (high AA, high customability, high framerate, no lag, relative big maps, etc). At least. 3 years or more is preferable.

[Foolsfolly]

Mass Effect 1 was about 3.5-4 years in development.. it's less than ideal combat mechanics were not due to "rush job", just lackluster design concepts (I still feel this is overstated by most, I never had issues with the combat when it first came out, felt fine to me).

What about it's ******-poor level designs, reusing maps, and bloody boring barren landscapes? It wasn't just the mechanics that showed it's rushed-ness.

I will give you DA:O was not rushed.

[Louis deGuerre]

"I'm looking for exceptional environment artists"

Too bad they didn't hire those for DA2.

[YohkoOhno]

TUHD wrote...

@YohkoOhno: you shouldn't compare DA with AC. AC features the same engine etc, and only polishes up the textures etc.. the general setup of cities and landscapes stays the same. It's an 'hit the button and let it roll out'-process. Ubisoft does a good job with it, but it's nowhere near the advanced techniques an RPG requires.

I understand about the engine, but AC's engine took 2-4 years to develop.  And I don't think an RPG is inherently harder to do than a shooter.  All are technical challenges.  I think Ubisoft however has better and more assets (studios, etc.) and can coordinate these more effectively.  

Then again, I suspect RPGs are not as mainstream as other games, so it's not worth spending the money to flesh them out as much.

[PhrosniteAgainROFL]

I hope they stop consolizing the GUI on the PC version. Come on, Bioware. You own the guy who made Warhammer Online. I WANT DRAGON AGE TOME OF KNOWLEDGE!

[Yrkoon]

jakecollette wrote...

Say what you will about Dragon Age 2, but they are coming out with another one. Personally I think they will combine the good elements of both games and make an outstanding game. Read the article below. 

http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1169572p1.html

 DA3 nothing.   The real Gem in that article is this:

It won't really come as much surprise, but a tweet from Bioware developer Alistair McNally today has spilled the beans

Freaky.  So  they really DO have someone on their team named Alistair.   This is worth some deeper digging.  10 bucks says they've  also got  a  "Morrigan" or "Morgan" working in their Edmonton Location.  And I bet  they hate  on each other a lot. 

Modifié par Yrkoon, 20 mai 2011 - 12:04 .

[graavigala85]

kglaser wrote...

ShadowStar83 wrote...

When do you think it'll be released?

Hopefully, when it's done, and not before!!!!

I bet it will be done in time for christmas 2011

[MassFrost]

No real surprise here, I figured after that ridiculous ending there would be more to come. Hopefully they take their time (or rather, convince EA to let them take their time) and do things right this time around, but I won't hold my breath for it.

[_Aine_]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

The important thing to take from the source tweet isn't that there will be a DA3 (which is no surprise really) but that they are increasing the size of the envioronmental team.
Which more specifically means they're directly addressing the complaints about recycled maps.

This.  And how bare the environments were, too, I hope.  Oh how I wish I were an environmental artist lol  Alas.    

[JamesMoriarty123]

The only game to be rushed was DA2. A 1.5 year devlopment cycle = epic fail.

DA:O by contrast was being developed for 5 years, and it really showed.
Now that the "Shock and Awe" of DA2 being new and shiny is over the vast majority of people who play it can see it for the sham it truly is. Thinking back to my playthrough...gives me nightmares it was that bad, lol.

Walking around a city for 10 years and NOT A THING CHANGES. Jesus man, Fenris didn't even clean his house in 7 years, rediculous.

[DarthCaine]

Dragon Age 3: Now with one more area to be copy pasted through the whole game

[Drachasor]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Walking around a city for 10 years and NOT A THING CHANGES. Jesus man, Fenris didn't even clean his house in 7 years, rediculous.

I love how it is full of dead bodies for 10 years..  Especially strange considering you only killed demons inside it.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

jakecollette wrote...

Say what you will about Dragon Age 2, but they are coming out with another one. Personally I think they will combine the good elements of both games and make an outstanding game. Read the article below. 

http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1169572p1.html

There's very little in DAO that should be brought into DA3.  The story and the choices will be available in DA3 eitherway, and that's all that counts.

[Merchant2006]

Dragon Age 2 release date: March 2012. I can't wait.

I regret buying Dragon Age 2... heh... I look at Witcher 2 and think "goddamn... I really messed up by not waiting for this."

Anyhow, I'll see how Dragon Age 3 goes. I swear if I see the words "awesome" and "press button" and "something happens" in any of their descriptions... I'll stick with Origins/Awakening and just try and push aside the rest. Anyway here's too all of us who will stick (a knife) with BioWare (into DA2) and hope for a better game this time around.

Just can't believe this... it's ridiculous.

[Catsith]

Don't really care about the Dragon Age franchise anymore. They could've kept in line with Origins and had a great party-based tactical RPG series with great success and instead decided to dumb it down to the level of Mass Effect and the Witcher and getting greatly outclassed by both.

The only way I'll ever be interested again is a) if they use or create a brand new engine hire new writers, designers, and artists c) bring back tactical view and strategy based combat and d) go back to telling an epic adventure tale instead of the braindead and emotionless "story" we got in DA2.

[Dubya75]

Drachasor wrote...

If you listen to what Bioware says and what people who have left it have said, Bioware WANTS to make games superquick. Don't expect them to avoid making a quick buck ever again, and to heck if it sacrifices deeper and more compelling gameplay. All DA2 has taught is that they were a little bit too skimpy; I imagine they'll aim for the bare minimum to keep things selling decently. I don't expect them to ever go back to make games of the same quality or type as they once did.

Rest assured, (I think) very few gamers who have played DA2 will be eager to pre-order DA3.
I for one will NOT pre-order but instead will wait a good while to see what others are saying before I even decide to buy.
My fear is also that BioWare may think they've gotten away with churning out a quick game in the form of DA2 so they may just try their luck even further with DA3. If this is the case, then well...we'll have to see...

I liked DA2 enough to play it 4 times through but it if they keep pushing and watering down the franchise, I'll quickly pack my things and go someplace else.