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[Sidney]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...
Yep. Not to mention multiple races again,

Why? Seriously are you that shallow that what you look like matters because that is all you get with mutiple races unless 3-5 throwaway lines in 70 hours of gameplay means something to you. Race in DAO meant nothing, not one lick of importance. The more variations you have in your "start" the less the game can actually mean to that variation - hell the game handles "mage" as a class pretty weakly overall in terms of story as well so that choice is already problematic and pooorly served adding more "issues" isn't gonna help unless you just flat out ignore it like DAO did.

It may no have been much, sure. But why not have BioWare improve the discrimation against you if you're an elf, or people being frightened of you on account of being a mage. I vastly preferred being referred to as "bloody elf, clean my boot!" instead of things staying the same on subsequent playthroughs. My preference, I guess.

Yes, if I can have both depth and breadth over one or the other I'll take both. Strawmen are fun. Back in the real world where 5 years of DAO development got you only breadth I think you need to understand tradeoffs in time and resources so if I have to trade some breadth for depth I'll always make that deal. Plenty of really great RPG's are single race selection: PST, KOTOR, FO, JE all leap to top of mind while things that use race:  BG, DAO, Oblivion/Morrowwind tend to make it utterly meaningless.

[EugeneBi]

kglaser wrote...

I learned my lesson with DA2.
I will absolutely not buy DA3 full-price. I will buy it used. I sorely overpaid for DA2.

+1

[Mr.House]

EugeneBi wrote...

kglaser wrote...

I learned my lesson with DA2.
I will absolutely not buy DA3 full-price. I will buy it used. I sorely overpaid for DA2.

+1

-1

[Drachasor]

Sidney wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...
Yep. Not to mention multiple races again,

Why? Seriously are you that shallow that what you look like matters because that is all you get with mutiple races unless 3-5 throwaway lines in 70 hours of gameplay means something to you. Race in DAO meant nothing, not one lick of importance. The more variations you have in your "start" the less the game can actually mean to that variation - hell the game handles "mage" as a class pretty weakly overall in terms of story as well so that choice is already problematic and pooorly served adding more "issues" isn't gonna help unless you just flat out ignore it like DAO did.

It may no have been much, sure. But why not have BioWare improve the discrimation against you if you're an elf, or people being frightened of you on account of being a mage. I vastly preferred being referred to as "bloody elf, clean my boot!" instead of things staying the same on subsequent playthroughs. My preference, I guess.

Yes, if I can have both depth and breadth over one or the other I'll take both. Strawmen are fun. Back in the real world where 5 years of DAO development got you only breadth I think you need to understand tradeoffs in time and resources so if I have to trade some breadth for depth I'll always make that deal. Plenty of really great RPG's are single race selection: PST, KOTOR, FO, JE all leap to top of mind while things that use race:  BG, DAO, Oblivion/Morrowwind tend to make it utterly meaningless.

Doesn't say much if not choosing a race doesn't do anything.  Not being able to select an elf or dwarf in DA2 doesn't add to the story, because Hawke being human is completely unimportant.

[Ariella]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Ooh I thought they were games . I think I remember west wing, wasn't that the one which had the women who played the mom in stuart little as president?

Yes. And The Illusive Man is the President of America o_o

 that made me laugh.

If you want a real good one, find the season 2 finale on line and catch TIM cursing out God in National Cathedral

[Mr.House]

Martin Sheen is awesome.

[Ariella]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Ariella wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Ooh I thought they were games . I think I remember west wing, wasn't that the one which had the women who played the mom in stuart little as president?

Yes. And The Illusive Man is the President of America o_o

 that made me laugh.

If you want a real good one, find the season 2 finale on line and catch TIM cursing out God in National Cathedral

IMartin Sheen. WINNING!

DA3 being a spaticus kind of thing for the elves and Mr. Sheen voicing one of the city elf elders...

[TheChris92]

kglaser wrote...

I learned my lesson with DA2.
I will absolutely not buy DA3 full-price. I will buy it used. I sorely overpaid for DA2.

Aww, you poor sweet thing... 

[Ariella]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Drachasor wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...
Yep. Not to mention multiple races again,

Why? Seriously are you that shallow that what you look like matters because that is all you get with mutiple races unless 3-5 throwaway lines in 70 hours of gameplay means something to you. Race in DAO meant nothing, not one lick of importance. The more variations you have in your "start" the less the game can actually mean to that variation - hell the game handles "mage" as a class pretty weakly overall in terms of story as well so that choice is already problematic and pooorly served adding more "issues" isn't gonna help unless you just flat out ignore it like DAO did.

It may no have been much, sure. But why not have BioWare improve the discrimation against you if you're an elf, or people being frightened of you on account of being a mage. I vastly preferred being referred to as "bloody elf, clean my boot!" instead of things staying the same on subsequent playthroughs. My preference, I guess.

Yes, if I can have both depth and breadth over one or the other I'll take both. Strawmen are fun. Back in the real world where 5 years of DAO development got you only breadth I think you need to understand tradeoffs in time and resources so if I have to trade some breadth for depth I'll always make that deal. Plenty of really great RPG's are single race selection: PST, KOTOR, FO, JE all leap to top of mind while things that use race:  BG, DAO, Oblivion/Morrowwind tend to make it utterly meaningless.

Doesn't say much if not choosing a race doesn't do anything.  Not being able to select an elf or dwarf in DA2 doesn't add to the story, because Hawke being human is completely unimportant.

Exactly. Varric is recounting the event that triggered the war. The individual that did so was Anders. The events of DA2 would prbably have still played out without Hawke. Varric would've still ventured into the Deep Roads and found the Lyrium Idol with some other person. Someone else could've encountered Javaris and eventually confronting The Arishok, thereby becoming The Champion. So why did Hawke need to be a human again?

Would they have? We don't know what Anders would have done if he hadn't met Hawke. We don't know if Bertrand and company would have survived the deep roads without Hawke or if the Arishok might have defeated all comers without Hawke there to keep two certain people from killing each other rather than the common enemy. All we know is what happened with Hawke bringing all of these separate people together.

[Mr.House]

TheChris92 wrote...

kglaser wrote...

I learned my lesson with DA2.
I will absolutely not buy DA3 full-price. I will buy it used. I sorely overpaid for DA2.

Aww, you poor sweet thing... 

*squee*

[Gotholhorakh]

I'm interested, but I'm not buying it automatically, come hell, high water or dodgy game like I did with Dragon Age 2.

I will be hanging back and not buying it if it is of the same quality as DA2, and although I don't know, I suspect that lots of other people will be doing the same.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 20 mai 2011 - 07:44 .

[IndigoWolfe]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

@Ariella: Yes, they would. Hawke's only talent was killing. Anders would have still triggered the war. Hawke just distracted Elthina(which even a nug can do). Bartrand and Varric would probably have survived with someone else as skilled at killing stuff.

Comparable things could be said of the Warden as well.

[Drasanil]

[quote]Ariella wrote...

Would they have?[/quote]
 
Yes, and even if you're not 100% sure, the fact there's even a really case for it shows that Bioware did a poor job of implementing the whole "mostest important person in the world" or making Hawke relevant, seriously even the Dog (DLC Dog at that) has more meaningful interactions with your companions than you do.

[quote]We don't know what Anders would have done if he hadn't met Hawke.[/quote]
 
Same thing, or something very very similar, at that point Anders wasn't so much Anders any more but Justice acting out on his impulses. Hawke was never really a part of that equation, at best just an excuse and self-serving justification post-event for Anders.

[quote]We don't know if Bertrand and company would have survived the deep roads without Hawke or[/quote]

Honestly wouldn't even matter. What pushed things to the boiling point was the Annulement of the circle, a thing we've seen perfectly rational templars do in DAO. The "red thingy" was there to justify and a really really dumb boss fight and make it look like Hawke had an impact on events.

[quote]if the Arishok might have defeated all comers[/quote]
 
That's just a case for Hawke being the only one dumb enough to fight him one on one, the Arishok would have been downed by numbers if not a single person.

[quote]without Hawke there to keep two certain people from killing each other rather than the common enemy.[/quote]

They were squabbling about who should be "in charge" I think issues would have sorted themselves out with out much trouble given they already had a third party screaming for both their bloods. They could then go back to fighting each other. Also Orsino wasn't on the edge of rebelling at that point, what pushed him over was the annulement.

[quote]All we know is what happened with Hawke bringing all of these separate people together.[/quote]

Rather Hawke just happened to be around all these seperate people when they made important desicions, of which s/he had little to no say in.
[/quote]

[Lakhi]

Honestly, I'm just hoping that Dragon Age III is given the same level of attention to detail and given a real timeframe for bioware to make a game that is both complete and successful.

Having just played the witcher 2 I can say that CDPR learned from their mistakes in the witcher one and LISTENED making their game all the better for the player. It was a satisfying experience that led me to believe they were listening. They kept the core elements of the game that people enjoyed and fixed those that irked people. Bioware flipped this philosophy with DA II, let's hope that for DA III that they'll emulate those at CDPR and make the game like it needs to be,

[Elriendel]

Foolsfolly wrote...

I hope neither Warden nor Hawke return. I want a whole new protagonist for DA3.
This isn't a series about one person.

I wouldn’t mind a new protagonist, but it would be really something if they managed to
bring both the Warden and Hawk back somehow, even if just for a cameo (with
meaning, not just to say hi, like Alistair) or to play/join through a scenery.
Of course, considering the engine change and the customization of the
characters, I know it’s practically impossible, even if they made them look
much older. A couple of NPC’s from both previous games showing up is always
interesting. I’d like to see all loose threads being addressed to woven an epic
outcome regarding mages and templars, the darspawn from Awakening, Flemmeth,
Morrigan and her “baby”, the conflict between Tevinter, Orlais, the Qunary. I
doubt this would be easy, considering the myriad of options we’ve had so far.

The OST for DA2 is just amazing! <3 I’ll be expecting no less from the next one.

DA2 was a short game and limited in terms of scenery, which I think is not necessarily
bad, but went a bit too far with the repetition of maps all the time. On the
other hand, DA:O was epic, but the length of it didn’t appeal for a second
playthrough right away. The main differences were focused on the first half an
hour of gameplay, so I just played thought each different origin, but finished
only one playthrough (may go for another now), while with DA2 I couldn’t wait
to play it again with a different set of choices. One thing that contributed to
that a lot was the wide range of different choices regarding NPC interaction
(especially LIs), but plot choices are also very important (if I have to play
it all the same again just to romance Sebastian, for an instance, I’d rather
watch it on youtube). DA2 had two main branches to follow, supporting the
templars or mages, no middle ground (two playthroughs there). Now the romances
improved enormously with the possibility of friendship or rivalry, I’m
definitely inclined to try both for my two favorite characters, but it becomes
a bit boring making the same other choices over again. What I mean is, had
there been another big decision in act one or two (I understand gaining the
Arishok’s respect in act 2 may be important someday in the future, I just didn’t
think it compelling enough to count here, since there’s no noticeable change
afterwards) then that would grant me at least four different interesting
combinations for playthroughs. A third option in the end could have been
interesting too. I also hope they will reconsider making everybody bi/pansexual
next time, bringing more realistic characters like DA:O.

Hopefully they'll take their time now and manage to join the
best from both worlds next time.

Modifié par Elriendel, 20 mai 2011 - 08:04 .

[Dark Necronus2]

Now Dragon Age II will become the game that nobody really wants to play in between DA:O and DA3, but feels obliged to.

[Mr.House]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Lakhi wrote...

Honestly, I'm just hoping that Dragon Age III is given the same level of attention to detail and given a real timeframe for bioware to make a game that is both complete and successful.

Having just played the witcher 2 I can say that CDPR learned from their mistakes in the witcher one and LISTENED making their game all the better for the player. It was a satisfying experience that led me to believe they were listening. They kept the core elements of the game that people enjoyed and fixed those that irked people. Bioware flipped this philosophy with DA II, let's hope that for DA III that they'll emulate those at CDPR and make the game like it needs to be,

I doubt it, since DA games will have a yearly release, apparently.

I really hope not, you think EA would learn from there mistakes...

Oh wait this is EA.

[Mr.House]

Dark Necronus2 wrote...

Now Dragon Age II will become the game that nobody really wants to play in between DA:O and DA3, but feels obliged to.

People enjoy DA2 you know.

[jlb524]

I hope they don't 'forget' about DA2 DLC...