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[LyndseyCousland]

Please tell me more about how no-one seems to notice that Hawke is a mage. Are the jokes about this exaggerated? I want to play a mage in my next playthrough, you see.

[AreleX]

Some people know, you also tell a few, but it has no real effect on anything whatsoever, save a few slightly different lines of dialogue.

Modifié par AreleX, 20 mai 2011 - 07:33 .

[Chugster]

tbh, it would be pretty daft if during every fight you were suddenly swarmed by templars trying to capture an apostate...one of those 'suspend disbeleif' moments that games and films sometimes rely on

[LyndseyCousland]

Perhaps but there's only so much one can suspend.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

In that case, you defiantly don't want to get Blood Mage's Hemorrhage. (Hint: Stabbing your staff clear through your abdomen is not a healthy action.) As much as I love playing a Mage this time around (DAO I didn't until my sixth or seventh character) the mental hiccups annoy me several time.

[Anyrandomname]

I think that if they did put a bit more focus on the fact that hawke was a mage, it wouldnt make that big a difference other than to improve the game. At some points, it seems obvious that you should flash out a magic ball (When you leave the fereldan imports shop, Bethany can flash the magic but you cant?) THey could also add in a DLC about some templars trying to round up an apostate mage of huge power and you get captured and then have to fight out of a prison in the gallows? (sorta like what happens when in DA: Awakening when the Architect has you in his jails. Would make it much more interesting. Or if you arnt a mage, have bethany be the one taken and you have to go and save her!

[Jestina]

Templars are completely oblivious, though mages walk around openly with glowing staves and throwing spells everywhere. The devs definitely didn't put much thought into this aspect.

[Elhanan]

Personally, I am under the perception that the close ties Kirwall has with the Fade is responsible for much of this issue; a more IG reason for this to occur.

It seems to take direct combat to alert many of the more astute persons in the area, let alone the lesser NPC's. Fenris, Meredith, etc seem to need such a wake-up call, as well as certain non-combat dialogue choices (eg; Iduna, mob outside Lowtown clinic, etc).

Anders, Osino, and maybe some others appear to recognize Hawke as a Mage more readily, but they seem to have strong and direct ties to the Fade. Even Hawke requires such a large clue to notice that Merrill is a not only a Mage, but a Blood mage at that.

For those having the desire to look into this, may I suggest another Mage playthrough simply to look if this mystic veil might be mentioned enough to help make sense of this possible issue.

[JamieCOTC]

MageHawke: Are you a Templar?
Templar: Yes. What of it?
MageHawke: I’m a mage. I’d like to turn myself in to the Circle.
Templar: You say you’re a mage. Cast spells and all that?
MageHawke: That is correct. I am a mage, and I cast spell willy nilly all the time.
Templar: Well … we can’t take you. Go away.
MageHawke: Can’t take me? What do you mean?
Templar: There’s no more room in the Gallows.
MageHawke: No more room? There’s hardly anyone here!
Templar: Well, that’s … because … they’re invisible.
MageHawke: Invisible?
Templar: Well, they are mages, y’know.
MageHawke: Nevertheless, I am a mage, and I’d like to be put into the Circle. You can even make me tranquil if you like.
Templar: No you’re not.
MageHawke: No, I’m not what?
Templar: You’re not a mage.
MageHawke: Yes I am a mage.
Templar: No, you’re not.
MageHawke: Yes I am!
Templar: No, you’re not!
MageHawke: Yes I am!
Templar: Then prove it!
MageHawke: (casts spell) There. Now you have a feather growing out of your nose.
Templar: That’s not a feather, it’s a wart.
MageHawke: It is not a wart! It’s a feather that I just put there by casting a spell!
Templar: Nope. Nope. It’s a wart.
MageHawke: Then why does it look like a feather?
Templar: it’s a chicken wart.
MageHawke: A chicken wart?
Templar: Yes. Got it from plucking chickens.
MageHawke: Chickens don’t give warts!
Templar: Have you ever plucked a chicken?!
MageHawke: Plenty!
Templar: Ah, but they were Fereldon chickens, aye? I bet you never plucked a Kirkwall chicken, huh?
MageHawke: Well, no, but …
Templar: There you go.
MageHawke: The fact remains that I am a mage. Now, due your duty and stuff me in the Circle!
Templar: I’ll stuff you all right, now get out of here!!
MageHawke: What’s it going to take, huh? Do I have to slit my wrists and make you fornicate with the Grand Cleric before you recognize that I AM a MAGE!!
Templar: If anything should happen between the Grand Cleric and I it is because of the outrageous admiration I have for Her Grace and no spell you have cast, since you are NOT a mage!!!
MageHawke: Yes I AM!!!
Templar: But I don’t recognize it until Act THREE!!!
MageHawke: What?
Templar: I don’t recognize you are a mage until Act three!
MageHawke: Oh. So, I can just come back in act three and you’ll recognize me as a mage.
Templar: Yes.
MageHawke: Then you can put me in the Circle.
Templar: Uh … no.
MageHawke: What? Why not?
Templar: You’ll be too rich and powerful.
MageHawke: But doesn’t the viscount answer to the Knight-Commander?
Templar: He doesn’t answer to her, but … he’d never have the balls to cross her, that’s for bloody certain.
MageHawke: And Templars do take the children, mage children away from wealthy citizens, right?
Templar: When we catch them. That is correct.
MageHawke: Let me get this straight. The viscount, the most powerful man in Kirkwall, answers to Meredith. Wealth doesn’t help you, but I, a refugee from Fereldon, can’t get into the Circle?
Templar: That is correct.
MageHawke: That’s insane!!!
Templar: IT’S IN THE BLOODY SCRIPT YOU NINNY!!!
MageHawke: Oh … I see. In that case …
Templar: Yes?
MageHawke: Want to go to my place?
Templar: I thought you’d never ask.

[JPadinhaT]

Definitely not exagerated. It is truly upseting, my mage Hawke and Anders talking to Cullen, with our staves clearly in our back, how the templars are mean and they stole our cookies and we're mages and he says "Mages are not like you and me" o.O

Ok, maybe they didn't stole our cookies and we didn't tell him we're mages, but I fought alongside him! I'm getting sad at how Bioware had to make people stupid so being a mage wouldnt dramatically change the story compared to warrior/rogue...

[E l i t e D 9 6]

JamieCOTC wrote...

MageHawke: Are you a Templar?
Templar: Yes. What of it?
MageHawke: I’m a mage. I’d like to turn myself in to the Circle.
Templar: You say you’re a mage. Cast spells and all that?
MageHawke: That is correct. I am a mage, and I cast spell willy nilly all the time.
Templar: Well … we can’t take you. Go away.
MageHawke: Can’t take me? What do you mean?
Templar: There’s no more room in the Gallows.
MageHawke: No more room? There’s hardly anyone here!
Templar: Well, that’s … because … they’re invisible.
MageHawke: Invisible?
Templar: Well, they are mages, y’know.
MageHawke: Nevertheless, I am a mage, and I’d like to be put into the Circle. You can even make me tranquil if you like.
Templar: No you’re not.
MageHawke: No, I’m not what?
Templar: You’re not a mage.
MageHawke: Yes I am a mage.
Templar: No, you’re not.
MageHawke: Yes I am!
Templar: No, you’re not!
MageHawke: Yes I am!
Templar: Then prove it!
MageHawke: (casts spell) There. Now you have a feather growing out of your nose.
Templar: That’s not a feather, it’s a wart.
MageHawke: It is not a wart! It’s a feather that I just put there by casting a spell!
Templar: Nope. Nope. It’s a wart.
MageHawke: Then why does it look like a feather?
Templar: it’s a chicken wart.
MageHawke: A chicken wart?
Templar: Yes. Got it from plucking chickens.
MageHawke: Chickens don’t give warts!
Templar: Have you ever plucked a chicken?!
MageHawke: Plenty!
Templar: Ah, but they were Fereldon chickens, aye? I bet you never plucked a Kirkwall chicken, huh?
MageHawke: Well, no, but …
Templar: There you go.
MageHawke: The fact remains that I am a mage. Now, due your duty and stuff me in the Circle!
Templar: I’ll stuff you all right, now get out of here!!
MageHawke: What’s it going to take, huh? Do I have to slit my wrists and make you fornicate with the Grand Cleric before you recognize that I AM a MAGE!!
Templar: If anything should happen between the Grand Cleric and I it is because of the outrageous admiration I have for Her Grace and no spell you have cast, since you are NOT a mage!!!
MageHawke: Yes I AM!!!
Templar: But I don’t recognize it until Act THREE!!!
MageHawke: What?
Templar: I don’t recognize you are a mage until Act three!
MageHawke: Oh. So, I can just come back in act three and you’ll recognize me as a mage.
Templar: Yes.
MageHawke: Then you can put me in the Circle.
Templar: Uh … no.
MageHawke: What? Why not?
Templar: You’ll be too rich and powerful.
MageHawke: But doesn’t the viscount answer to the Knight-Commander?
Templar: He doesn’t answer to her, but … he’d never have the balls to cross her, that’s for bloody certain.
MageHawke: And Templars do take the children, mage children away from wealthy citizens, right?
Templar: When we catch them. That is correct.
MageHawke: Let me get this straight. The viscount, the most powerful man in Kirkwall, answers to Meredith. Wealth doesn’t help you, but I, a refugee from Fereldon, can’t get into the Circle?
Templar: That is correct.
MageHawke: That’s insane!!!
Templar: IT’S IN THE BLOODY SCRIPT YOU NINNY!!!
MageHawke: Oh … I see. In that case …
Templar: Yes?
MageHawke: Want to go to my place?
Templar: I thought you’d never ask.

I found this to be hilarious

[GarrusV4karian]

The reason why no any templar will mess with a mage hawke is b/c Varric bribes them, he says ut himself (technically). Kinda dumb, but still.

[BigBad]

I figure that Mage!Hawke, Anders, Merril, and Bethany are actually smart enough to not carry glowing mage staffs or throw fireballs around Templars, but Varric doesn't feel like telling how Hawke heroically disguised himself as a warrior or merchant or something every time he went to the Gallows. Gameplay and Story Segregation combined with an Unreliable Narrator.

To be honest, its much more surprising that Anders, a known apostate from the very beginning and a Templar killer, remains at large for the entire game, despite not having any of the excuses Hawke has to avoid capture. I mean, he walks openly into the Gallows with nary a raised eyebrow.

[TheJediSaint]

LyndseyCousland wrote...

Please tell me more about how no-one seems to notice that Hawke is a mage. Are the jokes about this exaggerated? I want to play a mage in my next playthrough, you see.

To summarize, in Act 1, the Templars dont really notice that you're a mage.  By Act 2, they become suspicous of Hawke.  During Act 3, the Templar know that Hawke is a mage, but decline to do anything because of Hawke's status as Champion.

[Oshunsar]

we have to admit: BW broke this totally. The continuity spoken of in DAO doesnt even move til Awakening... not to speak of DA2. Even ME does this better, not giving a great storyline in ME2 but lots of notes, getting the impact in ME3 only!
DA3 couldnt save anything already broken. F off with the architect, the one on the throne, the death of Anders, Sister Nightingale and others.

[sunnydxmen]

hope fully in DA3 we will have shapeshifter back in be able to pick are race

[Nature Woman]

Here's something... if you import a DA Origins game where you played a female mage who flirted with Cullen, and in DA II he has that little moment where he, 'knew a special mage once', and the game does say you're related, shouldn't there be a little something there? A special little dialogue? Maybe a little flirt with Cullen? Just 'cause it'd be funny.

I agree with some of this stuff. You are doing a few quests on behalf of the Templars, for pete's sake. Shouldn't these guys at least 'say' something to you? Cullen doesn't say anything, and I figure he probably should. Meredith does, so at least the boss knows. lol!

I can understand once you're done act 1, they're kind of in a bit of a predicament where you are popular and putting you away would be a bad thing for the city. In act 1, though, you should have at least one encounter of templars wanting to hunt you down, or one templar popping up once in a while or something. Maybe a bad templar who you can bribe. lol! This especially if you go hardcore pro-mage, yes, we'll kill all the templars, Justice, I promise.

I miss the race choice, too, sunnydxmen. Now I almost always look the same since I'm stuck human. I liked how elf & dwarf changed so many things.

I think the only reason Anders hasn't been caught in the game is because the Darktown people hide the Healer. You run into a little of that when going to get him. I find it weird that he says the Wardens will catch him, and yet no one is looking for him. They're too busy to care.

[blaidfiste]

I recently took Varric with me during the Act of Mercy quest. He convinced Ser Karras that my mage was First Enchanter Hawke from Ferelden. I was sent by the chantry to help Kirkwall with its bloodmage problem. Karras said that he will inform the Knight Commander of my service to Kirkwall. That's the only decent in game explanation I ran into.

[Alpha452]

It could be just me but as early as the act 1 quest "Act of Mercy" that Ser Thrask has to at least suspect if not outright acknowledge that you are a mage (if play a mage) because why else would he think Hawke would have a better chance than he would of convincing the Starkhaven apostates to surrender? I think most of the apparent ignorance displayed about Mage Hawke is due to the fact that it's a story that Varric is telling Cassandra so he's "editing" it a bit since he admits to being a compulsive liar. At the end of Act 2 Knight Commander Meredith knows for certain because she's seen your magic with her own eyes but ignores it to deal with the Qunari. All through Act 3 she willfully allows you to operate freely because of two primary reasons: You helped defend the city so she sees you as a useful tool (until you aren't then she wants you dead) and as Champion every noble owes you their lives. So if she tried to arrest the Champion it would lead to a city-wide riot from the Nobility on to the lowest commoner in Darktown. Since not even the Templars could put down a rebellion of the entire city they leave you alone.

[Davillo]

Havke is a psychopath murderer on a mission... if you knew somebody like him would you risk your life to turn him in? he would probably mercilessly slaughter you and the people who tried to bring him in.

[GuiltySource]

I was a blood mage. Using blood magic whilst fighting the Arishok. Saving the nobility or not the Templars and Meredith should have freaked big time.

[Lintanis]

E l i t e D 9 6 wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

MageHawke: Are you a Templar?
Templar: Yes. What of it?
MageHawke: I’m a mage. I’d like to turn myself in to the Circle.
Templar: You say you’re a mage. Cast spells and all that?
MageHawke: That is correct. I am a mage, and I cast spell willy nilly all the time.
Templar: Well … we can’t take you. Go away.
MageHawke: Can’t take me? What do you mean?
Templar: There’s no more room in the Gallows.
MageHawke: No more room? There’s hardly anyone here!
Templar: Well, that’s … because … they’re invisible.
MageHawke: Invisible?
Templar: Well, they are mages, y’know.
MageHawke: Nevertheless, I am a mage, and I’d like to be put into the Circle. You can even make me tranquil if you like.
Templar: No you’re not.
MageHawke: No, I’m not what?
Templar: You’re not a mage.
MageHawke: Yes I am a mage.
Templar: No, you’re not.
MageHawke: Yes I am!
Templar: No, you’re not!
MageHawke: Yes I am!
Templar: Then prove it!
MageHawke: (casts spell) There. Now you have a feather growing out of your nose.
Templar: That’s not a feather, it’s a wart.
MageHawke: It is not a wart! It’s a feather that I just put there by casting a spell!
Templar: Nope. Nope. It’s a wart.
MageHawke: Then why does it look like a feather?
Templar: it’s a chicken wart.
MageHawke: A chicken wart?
Templar: Yes. Got it from plucking chickens.
MageHawke: Chickens don’t give warts!
Templar: Have you ever plucked a chicken?!
MageHawke: Plenty!
Templar: Ah, but they were Fereldon chickens, aye? I bet you never plucked a Kirkwall chicken, huh?
MageHawke: Well, no, but …
Templar: There you go.
MageHawke: The fact remains that I am a mage. Now, due your duty and stuff me in the Circle!
Templar: I’ll stuff you all right, now get out of here!!
MageHawke: What’s it going to take, huh? Do I have to slit my wrists and make you fornicate with the Grand Cleric before you recognize that I AM a MAGE!!
Templar: If anything should happen between the Grand Cleric and I it is because of the outrageous admiration I have for Her Grace and no spell you have cast, since you are NOT a mage!!!
MageHawke: Yes I AM!!!
Templar: But I don’t recognize it until Act THREE!!!
MageHawke: What?
Templar: I don’t recognize you are a mage until Act three!
MageHawke: Oh. So, I can just come back in act three and you’ll recognize me as a mage.
Templar: Yes.
MageHawke: Then you can put me in the Circle.
Templar: Uh … no.
MageHawke: What? Why not?
Templar: You’ll be too rich and powerful.
MageHawke: But doesn’t the viscount answer to the Knight-Commander?
Templar: He doesn’t answer to her, but … he’d never have the balls to cross her, that’s for bloody certain.
MageHawke: And Templars do take the children, mage children away from wealthy citizens, right?
Templar: When we catch them. That is correct.
MageHawke: Let me get this straight. The viscount, the most powerful man in Kirkwall, answers to Meredith. Wealth doesn’t help you, but I, a refugee from Fereldon, can’t get into the Circle?
Templar: That is correct.
MageHawke: That’s insane!!!
Templar: IT’S IN THE BLOODY SCRIPT YOU NINNY!!!
MageHawke: Oh … I see. In that case …
Templar: Yes?
MageHawke: Want to go to my place?
Templar: I thought you’d never ask.

I found this to be hilarious

Why am I suddenly wanting a Monthy Python Dragon Age film 

[Abispa]

There could be several ways Bioware could've "fixed" it, but they chose to ignore it, resulting in the [blood] mage Hawke storyline, you know, the one featured as the "canon" in the game trailer, MAKES NO SENSE.

The easiest, and cheesiest, way would have been to have Flemeth put some charm on Hawke and/or Bethany that makes their magic invisible to Templars and guards. I would have groaned big time ONCE, instead of multiple times throughout the game, particularly when the guards are standing around motionless as Hawke and party wipe out waves of criminals at night.

Or, in a similar fashion, blood mage Hawke and/or Merrill could use the Obi Wan Kenobi technique on witnesses and guards. Mind control is one of the most feared blood mage techniques.

Or they could have implement a better staff combat system in the game (as featured in the game trailer) that allows Hawke and/or Bethany to be a bad ass staff fighter when engaged in combat in the city. You could always use magic if you wanted to, but 1) you have to bribe the guards or Templars to keep quiet (increasing game difficulty and strategy), or 2) cause a band of teleporting Templars to suddenly appear to fight Hawke and party. We all know they'd lose anyway.

As an added feature they could have the civilians run for their lives once the fireballs come out, like the civilians in the Fable series when the hero uses "will" powers. That would explain why there are never any reliable witness to describe Hawke and party.

[Abispa]

JamieCOTC wrote...

MageHawke: Are you a Templar?

[Tragic snip.]

Thumbs up.

:happy:

EDIT: VA by John Cleese and Bruce Campbell.

Modifié par Abispa, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:55 .

[Abispa]

LyndseyCousland wrote...

Please tell me more about how no-one seems to notice that Hawke is a mage. Are the jokes about this exaggerated? I want to play a mage in my next playthrough, you see.

Mage is actually the most fun class to play, GAMEPLAY wise. STORY wise, however, it may have you facepalming yourself to death. And I actually LIKE playing DA2. Really, I do. Despite myself.

Also, I like Carver. I think it's great your brother is a pain in the ass.