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[OmegaXI]

The batarians are not in council space so that means even when Shepard killed off the  Batarians system he did not break any laws in citidal space. So at most he commited a crime againist the batarians who are not longer part of citidal space and there by not protected by any of its laws.

So Shepard didn't break any law or commit any crime againist the Alliance or the council/ citidal races. So he can not be charged with anything for blowing up the relay and killing 300,000+ batarians.

Modifié par OmegaXI, 20 mai 2011 - 03:44 .

[Alpha-Centuri]

Instigating a war

[OmegaXI]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

Instigating a war

The batarians were already hostile to humans and raided human settlements for slaves, but at the same time Shepard wasn't part of the alliance, the actions and the events that lead up to the alpha relay blowing up and wiping out an entire system happened outside alliance and Council space where Shepard was not bound by Council or Alliance law.

Hackett was right the evidence againist Shepard isn't enough to convict him of anything.

[Destroy Raiden_]

of course not he just killed 300,000 people, blew up a mass relay, and took out an entire galaxy sure no laws were broken murder is totally legal if you do it where no one is watching you...

[wolfennights]

the Batarians already had enough reason to hate humans. I'm sure blowing up a relay didn't help things much.

[OmegaXI]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

of course not he just killed 300,000 people, blew up a mass relay, and took out an entire galaxy sure no laws were broken murder is totally legal if you do it where no one is watching you...

Yes he broke batarian law in a batarian system, which is not part of council space or protected by the laws and standard of council space. Shepard did not break any alliance or council law.

[Bogsnot1]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

of course not he just killed 300,000 people, blew up a mass relay, and took out an entire galaxy sure no laws were broken murder is totally legal if you do it where no one is watching you...

Shepards not that uber. Zaeed maybe, but not Shep.

[Faolin]

I'd hazard a guess that both the Council and the Alliance have laws against their members committing large scale acts of murder without authorisation. Espescially racially motivated ones. Like most countries in today's world do. There's also the issue of destroying a mass relay. Given as they are essential to all galatic civilisation, I'd be suprised if there wasn't some kind of galatic treaty in place forbidding people to interfere with them.

Besides, the legality of the whole situation is a moot point. The Alliance wants a scape-goat so it doesn't get into a war. It doesn't care about due process or laws, it's going to find some excuse to take you down. The Council either doesn't care or sees you as an embarassment and liability.

[OmegaXI]

If they can charge Shepard with blowing up the relay and taking out that system then by those same standards they can charge Shepard for every person he killed in the Terminous systems, everything thing he blew up in the Terminous systems, and every other council law he broke while being in the Terminous systems.

And whats more, Shepard listened to the Council (if alive) and kept his activities in the Terminous systems. So not only did he not break any council law but he also followed his orders to keep his activities in the Terminous systems.

[Moiaussi]

Actually we know the Council has rules against use of WMD's against planets. It is a safe bet that the 'you don't bombard garden worlds' rule doesn't specify that it applies to mass accellerators only.

Violation of rules of engagement is a court martial offence and on that scale would normally be taken very seriously. There is almost certainly also rule against tampering with mass relays, which might even be considered the bigger crime.

[AlexMBrennan]

Shepard doesn't necessarily have to break any Citadel/Alliance laws to be executed if political pressure (to avoid war with the baterians) requires Citadel/Alliance officials to do something.

Also, killing civilians is a war crime.

[Dean_the_Young]

OmegaXI wrote...

The batarians are not in council space so that means even when Shepard killed off the  Batarians system he did not break any laws in citidal space. So at most he commited a crime againist the batarians who are not longer part of citidal space and there by not protected by any of its laws.

So Shepard didn't break any law or commit any crime againist the Alliance or the council/ citidal races. So he can not be charged with anything for blowing up the relay and killing 300,000+ batarians.

You realize that most governments have laws against their citizens killing foreigners in foreign lands, yes?

[Dean_the_Young]

OmegaXI wrote...

If they can charge Shepard with blowing up the relay and taking out that system then by those same standards they can charge Shepard for every person he killed in the Terminous systems, everything thing he blew up in the Terminous systems, and every other council law he broke while being in the Terminous systems.

Yes. Yes they can.

(In so much that states can and do have laws in which their citizens can't do illegal things even outside of territory. Jurisdiction goes past territory, even if enforcement often falters.)

And whats more, Shepard listened to the Council (if alive) and kept his activities in the Terminous systems. So not only did he not break any council law but he also followed his orders to keep his activities in the Terminous systems.

His orders, however, did not mandate, encourage, or expect, or pardon mass murder or destruction of a relay.

[Savber100]

Even he didn't break any laws, the Citadel and the Alliance would still drop Shepard like a hot potato. The dude killed 300,000 people because of some random nonsense about god-like machines coming to invade the galaxy? Pleeeaasse.

[Destroy Raiden_]

^ I guess shep can always plead insanity....

[OmegaXI]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

The batarians are not in council space so that means even when Shepard killed off the  Batarians system he did not break any laws in citidal space. So at most he commited a crime againist the batarians who are not longer part of citidal space and there by not protected by any of its laws.

So Shepard didn't break any law or commit any crime againist the Alliance or the council/ citidal races. So he can not be charged with anything for blowing up the relay and killing 300,000+ batarians.

You realize that most governments have laws against their citizens killing foreigners in foreign lands, yes?

the batarians withdrew from the treaty with citidal space, and most governments have laws aganist enslaving another person, but I understamnd what you are saying yes Shepard did commit a crime, but the crime was commited in and aganist a batarian system which is part of the terminous systems and not under the Council law.

So Shepard can't really be charged with breaking any alliance law since he did not commit the crime in alliance space. He was outside the Jurisdiction of Alliance law and space as well as council law and space, call it a technically.

[Bogsnot1]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

^ I guess shep can always plead insanity....

Better still, depending on your choices when you first go to the Citadel, you can plead innocence due to being dead.

[OmegaXI]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

If they can charge Shepard with blowing up the relay and taking out that system then by those same standards they can charge Shepard for every person he killed in the Terminous systems, everything thing he blew up in the Terminous systems, and every other council law he broke while being in the Terminous systems.

Yes. Yes they can.

(In so much that states can and do have laws in which their citizens can't do illegal things even outside of territory. Jurisdiction goes past territory, even if enforcement often falters.)

And whats more, Shepard listened to the Council (if alive) and kept his activities in the Terminous systems. So not only did he not break any council law but he also followed his orders to keep his activities in the Terminous systems.

His orders, however, did not mandate, encourage, or expect, or pardon mass murder or destruction of a relay.

The Terminous systems do not fall under council law and spectres are abovie the law, and the Council did not tell Shepard he could not do that, they simple told him to keep his activities in the Terminous systems.

open and shut case for Shepard's lawyer.

[Bogsnot1]

You seem to be missing the point.
Shepard is a human. Human Alliance requested Shepard go in on their behalf, to rescue Kenson and help her out. Shepard ended up killing 300000 Batarians. Batarians are now threatening war with Humanity for Shepards actions. Human Alliance, is now charging Shepard with murder, and war crimes, to placate the Batarians.

It has NOTHING to do with the Council, Spectres, or Council Law.

[MarchWaltz]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

^ I guess shep can always plead insanity....

My lawyer team is going to be composed of pheonix wright, harvey birdman, and that incompetent chicken lawyer from futurama.

BRING IT THE LAW!

Modifié par MarchWaltz, 20 mai 2011 - 04:32 .

[Bogsnot1]

MarchWaltz wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

^ I guess shep can always plead insanity....

My lawyer team is going to be composed ot phenoxi wright, harvey birdman, and that incompetent chicken lawyer from futurama.

BRING IT THE LAW!

You forgot Lionel Hutz.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Actually, this is good for qualifying why Shep's not being tried on the Citadel.

[tomorrowstation]

OmegaXI wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

If they can charge Shepard with blowing up the relay and taking out that system then by those same standards they can charge Shepard for every person he killed in the Terminous systems, everything thing he blew up in the Terminous systems, and every other council law he broke while being in the Terminous systems.

Yes. Yes they can.

(In so much that states can and do have laws in which their citizens can't do illegal things even outside of territory. Jurisdiction goes past territory, even if enforcement often falters.)

And whats more, Shepard listened to the Council (if alive) and kept his activities in the Terminous systems. So not only did he not break any council law but he also followed his orders to keep his activities in the Terminous systems.

His orders, however, did not mandate, encourage, or expect, or pardon mass murder or destruction of a relay.

The Terminous systems do not fall under council law and spectres are abovie the law, and the Council did not tell Shepard he could not do that, they simple told him to keep his activities in the Terminous systems.

open and shut case for Shepard's lawyer.

The Council's mandate is to promote galactic stability.  Terminus is in the galaxy, and such a monumental action (like killing 300,000 and possible instigating a war) will have ramifications outside Terminus. Therefore, the Council is within their rights to charge Shep.

I could be wrong, but it seems as if the crux of your OP is that Shep is being treated unfairly by the Council. That may be, but if they want a show trial, they will have one.

Actually, this is good for qualifying why Shep's not being tried on the Citadel.

That is interesting.

Modifié par tomorrowstation, 20 mai 2011 - 04:37 .

[Spectreshadow]

Shepard blew up an entire star system for no perceivable reason. Also take into account Shepard was already being considered a rogue asset for working for Cerberus so this act was all the Alliance needed to bring Shepard in. It is as simple as that.

[OmegaXI]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

You seem to be missing the point.
Shepard is a human. Human Alliance requested Shepard go in on their behalf, to rescue Kenson and help her out. Shepard ended up killing 300000 Batarians. Batarians are now threatening war with Humanity for Shepards actions. Human Alliance, is now charging Shepard with murder, and war crimes, to placate the Batarians.

It has NOTHING to do with the Council, Spectres, or Council Law.

The Alliance will not give Shepard up to the batarian to placate them, just like they didn't charge anyone for what happened on Torfon.

Also Balak tried to drop a asteroid on a human colony with over a million people, the batarians slave raid human colonies, the only reason why they are calling Shepard to Earth is to ask him why he did it. They would not bow to the batarians and give them Shepard. The differnce between Balak and Shepard is that Balak tried to kill off alot more humans and failed, while Shepard killed  off less than a million and suceeded.

So I must respectively disagree