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[Xena_Shepard]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

woundedheart wrote...
There's a reason why DAO was such an immense success. It didn't gain its fame from being a boring game with a "super bad icky monster."

So what was the secret behind Origins success? What was it that Origins or even Awakening had that DA2 was missing? Not trying to be an ass here I just want everyones honest opinion without the hyperbole.

Dragon Age Origins was a masterful RPG experience that stuck to the roots of a good ol' fashion RPG. It had interesting characters, locations, dialogue, and especially choices. I was struck by how amazingly dynamic the choices were in DAO, that any choice could be seen as good or bad depending on how you saw the situation. The story was simply awesome too. People whined about the cliche "save the world" plot, and so they got DA2. Way to go, morons.

And anybody who says the combat was "hard" or "slow" just sucks at gaming that doesn't involve repeative pressing of a singular button.

Modifié par Xena_Shepard, 21 mai 2011 - 03:38 .

[SteelRaptor]

Let's hope that the end of the world actually comes tomorrow so we don't have to experience this.. ;-)

[Ticladesign]

Lets make DA3 a Modulair game with an easy to use Toolset.

That way, when the "hardcore" fans dislike the Campaign (again) they can put deed where their mouth is and make a Module themselfs that's better.

Also teaches some fans how much time and effort go into making a module, making a good area, or have the right scripting

[tez19]

@Dalira Montanti
Being on this forum I have noticed the Bioware 'hardcore fans' are just a pretentious load of morons who are so self entitled it is unbelievable. In life they are probably nobodys who have no power and are real loser's. So they come on the forum to complain at everything to try and pretend they have some degree of power when they have nothing and are NOTHING.

Modifié par tez19, 21 mai 2011 - 03:59 .

[oldmansavage]

tez19 wrote...

@Dalira Montanti
Being on this forum I have noticed the Bioware 'hardcore fans' are just a pretentious load of morons who are so self entitled it is unbelievable. In life they are probably nobodys who have no power and are real loser's. So they come on the forum to complain at everything to try and pretend they have some degree of power when they have nothing and are NOTHING.

Haha you are very upset over this.  Ease up fellas he loves him some DA 2.

[IanPolaris]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Sbri wrote...

I'm not seeing anything on the website. Where is the announcement?

It's a Twitter post. 

You clowns are basing all this from  Twitter post?

Unbelievable....just   Fail.....Epic Fail even.

-Polaris

[tez19]

Not upset at all, just telling it how it is fella, that most people on here are absolute fools and deserve to be disappointed. I love it when you SEETHE over DA2. I LOVE it.

[Zanallen]

IanPolaris wrote...

You clowns are basing all this from  Twitter post?

Unbelievable....just   Fail.....Epic Fail even.

-Polaris

A twitter post looking for more people to work on the game at that. They are just looking to expand their teams to work on DA3.

[oldmansavage]

tez19 wrote...

Not upset at all, just telling it how it is fella, that most people on here are absolute fools and deserve to be disappointed. I love it when you SEETHE over DA2. I LOVE it.

I can read the pain in your posts, bud.  Perhaps a break is in order if the forums are affecting you adversely?

[Alexander1136]

IanPolaris wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Sbri wrote...

I'm not seeing anything on the website. Where is the announcement?

It's a Twitter post. 

You clowns are basing all this from  Twitter post?

Unbelievable....just   Fail.....Epic Fail even.

-Polaris

.... You do realize that twitter is a vialable resource right:?. especially if its the twitter of one of the developers.

[IanPolaris]

Zanallen wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

You clowns are basing all this from  Twitter post?

Unbelievable....just   Fail.....Epic Fail even.

-Polaris

A twitter post looking for more people to work on the game at that. They are just looking to expand their teams to work on DA3.

Actually that wasn't quite what the twitter post said.  They said that BW was looking for poeple to look at potentially working on a handful of potential future titles one of which MIGHT be DA3.

It's amazing that so much has been read into a twitter post that really doesn't tell us anything at all.  In fact I find it appalling.

-Polaris

[Alexander1136]

tez19 wrote...

@Dalira Montanti
Being on this forum I have noticed the Bioware 'hardcore fans' are just a pretentious load of morons who are so self entitled it is unbelievable. In life they are probably nobodys who have no power and are real loser's. So they come on the forum to complain at everything to try and pretend they have some degree of power when they have nothing and are NOTHING.

Here's a mirror.

[IanPolaris]

Alexander1136 wrote...

.... You do realize that twitter is a vialable resource right:?. especially if its the twitter of one of the developers.

You do realize that if a franchise is cut, the Dev team is generally the last to know right?  You do know that twitter rates up there with coffee-room napkin scraps in terms of official news and predictive powers, right?

-Polaris

Edit:  Basically a twitter post means bupkis.

Modifié par IanPolaris, 21 mai 2011 - 04:27 .

[Melca36]

Whether this is true or not, its obvious the developers are listening and reading the constructive criticism thread.

Heres hoping DA:3 is BETTER than DA:2 and brings back some of the elements that made Origins great as well as the elements that WORKED great in DA:2

And here's hoping they learned they should NOT pander to the fans who want everything handed to them.

[What?]

xkg wrote...

I heard that too. And it is confirmed to come out 31 February 2013

You're freaking joking. Here's hoping this is just an estimate, and not the final date. I'll maintain my reservations until some info-trickle gets going. If this is another bull-rush with Hawke, I'll be very disappointed. DA2 wasn't horrible, but it wasn't great, and by no means should be the framework for DA3.

[Gatt9]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

woundedheart wrote...
There's a reason why DAO was such an immense success. It didn't gain its fame from being a boring game with a "super bad icky monster."

So what was the secret behind Origins success? What was it that Origins or even Awakening had that DA2 was missing? Not trying to be an ass here I just want everyones honest opinion without the hyperbole.

Dragon Age Origins was a masterful RPG experience that stuck to the roots of a good ol' fashion RPG. It had interesting characters, locations, dialogue, and especially choices. I was struck by how amazingly dynamic the choices were in DAO, that any choice could be seen as good or bad depending on how you saw the situation. The story was simply awesome too. People whined about the cliche "save the world" plot, and so they got DA2. Way to go, morons.

And anybody who says the combat was "hard" or "slow" just sucks at gaming that doesn't involve repeative pressing of a singular button.

Agree!

Further,  it had a compelling skill advancement system with a combination system with spells that begged development for other classes,  such as a series of fighter skills firing off some final bonus attack,  or interactions with alchemy and magic,  or alchemy and poison.

DA2 suffered horribly from the super-hyper combat,  with combat visuals that look like they belong in a Nintendo game,  and a dialogue system dilluted down to icons just so people don't have to read,  making the whole thing insulting.  Then they took it a step further,  and just railroaded you into decisions.  Finally,  they made it impossible to equip your party,  simply to cut corners and not have to do a little extra programming,  because TBH,  no one would've cared if the art wasn't there.  Hasn't bothered anyone for the last 30 years or so.

As an avid RPG player,  I found it insulting,  and found Laidlaw and Gaider's dismissing RPGers very offensive.  So,  to be honest,  even if DA3 is a great game,  I will not buy it if either of those two are making decisions.  I don't give people who insult me my money.

Contrast this to ME3,  I didn't care for ME2's switch in gameplay,  but I'll give it a chance and likely buy it.  Christina Norman doesn't insult me even when she's driving at "More shooter!" and Casey Hudson seems to "Get" RPGs.  So even if it's more shooter than I like,  I'll give them the benefit of the doubt,  give them my money,  and hope they realize RPGs need more RPG in them.

Insulting your customers is never a good idea,  I'll vote against them with my dollars.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

woundedheart wrote...
There's a reason why DAO was such an immense success. It didn't gain its fame from being a boring game with a "super bad icky monster."

So what was the secret behind Origins success? What was it that Origins or even Awakening had that DA2 was missing? Not trying to be an ass here I just want everyones honest opinion without the hyperbole.

Dragon Age Origins was a masterful RPG experience that stuck to the roots of a good ol' fashion RPG. It had interesting characters, locations, dialogue, and especially choices. I was struck by how amazingly dynamic the choices were in DAO, that any choice could be seen as good or bad depending on how you saw the situation. The story was simply awesome too. People whined about the cliche "save the world" plot, and so they got DA2. Way to go, morons.

And anybody who says the combat was "hard" or "slow" just sucks at gaming that doesn't involve repeative pressing of a singular button.

Ok I see you diddnt listen to my request properly but I do agree that Origins did do what you mentioned better than DA2 even if you are over exaggerating a bit. Yes Origins had better story, characters and whatnot than DA2 but they werent that much better and they certainly werent anywhere near as good as some of Bioware's previous work. When people complain about Origins plot I must say I do agree with them (however I do see the irony in that DA2's plot was very much what a lot of the people complaining on this forum were asking for) as I must admit that Origins plot was fairly lame, the storyline of 2 raw recruits vs a faceless evil that only exists to give the hero to fight against just doesnt appeal to me, there just wasnt any depth to the story or the characters who drive it. As for the combat I must admit that it did kind of bore me in both Origins and DA2, wasnt so much that it was hard but more so that it was tedious churning through the same wave of mobs using the same tactics over and over again, then again I usually dont play RPGs for their combat mechanics so this wasnt a big deal for me in DA2.

Modifié par Mr Mxyzptlk, 21 mai 2011 - 06:36 .

[Skuggans]

Not even 2 years development, it's going to use one of EA's infamous game engines?
You cant create a masterpiece without loving what you do, and if you love what you do you dont rush it.

The Oracle told me this will be an epic fail. The more they focus on consols the more dumbed down it will be. A consoles controller makes it best suited for action games. Therefor I'll stop playing console games on my PC, I rather spend my time in quality MMO's like Rift or WoW.

[Knight Templar_]

Sabriana wrote...

I really and truly don't want to play Hawke again. She is (imo) the worst PC I've ever had the displeasure of playing. Thank the gods that she was never, ever *my* Hawke. Those time-skips make her look like the stupidest person that ever stumbled into the "Champion" moniker ever. Huzzah for Aveline.

And please, save yourself the trouble of pointing out to me the error of my ways. I feel what I feel. Imo, Hawke is only worthy of contempt.

I don't suppose you could explain why?

[TheNugget]

I hope Bioware learn from some of the mistakes they made in Dragon Age 2. Dragon Age 2 was still a good game; but I expect more than just good from Bioware. Making the combat more action oriented worked great for Mass Effect 2; but when they tried to do the same thing with Dragon Age 2 it just didn't work. The combat was too fast paced to allow for the same level of strategic depth you had in Dragon Age Origins and yet too rooted in RPG stats and combos to allow for satisfying action oriented gameplay. As a result I found myself spamming enemies with the same combo over and over and that didn't challenge my reflexes or my mind.I hope they focus Dragon Age 3 more heavily on strategy and tactics as in Dragon Age: Origins. I love action RPGs like Mass Effect 2 and Fallout 3; but I really missed the more cerebral challenge Dragon Age Origin's gameplay presented.

[tez19]

VictorianTrash wrote...

xkg wrote...

I heard that too. And it is confirmed to come out 31 February 2013

You're freaking joking. Here's hoping this is just an estimate, and not the final date. I'll maintain my reservations until some info-trickle gets going. If this is another bull-rush with Hawke, I'll be very disappointed. DA2 wasn't horrible, but it wasn't great, and by no means should be the framework for DA3.

He said FEBRUARY THE 31st. Man you are a dumb dumb. And these so called 'hardcore fans' like to pretend they are so much more intelligent than 'casual' gamers and they don't even know how many days there are in each month. Absolute disgrace.

Modifié par tez19, 21 mai 2011 - 09:12 .

[MistySun]

BioWare had better pray to the maker that DA3 turns out to be THE BLOCKBUSTER OF 2013.
 
Interestingly i found this..

FYI's to share.... I'm not looking as much anymore, but I did find a few things some may be interested in.

Part I- There was some posts on BW forums, seen elsewhere also, about bioware seeking talent for background artists and other similar type stuff to work on DA3 in Edmonton. It came in tweet form from someone at Bioware, and given the tendency of people to completely say and do incredibly stupid things on twitter, especially if say they were supposed to be a secret, this seems legit to me. I'm sure the guy who let it slip is now buried in a ditch in Guatemala. But that means there will be a DA3 for sure if they're hiring people. Almost a certainty I would say, and I'll get to almost in a second. Speculation was for it to come out in 18 months, but I couldn't find anything to substantiate that. That seems to be people speaking out of their behinds. I wouldn't be surprised though.
Part II- Which is only peripherally related but a big deal. Someone also let it slip that Bioware is basically cannibalizing another unknown game they were working on and sending everyone on it to help with Star Wars:TOR. That's not substantiated, but does fit. They're at two delays now and looking at a third extending into next year so this makes sense. Why? Who really knows, but there is growing concern that this MMO, this very EXPENSIVE MMO, might actually really suck. Other sites are starting to suggest this also, but carefully so far. Officially, someone internally at BW said they were really proud of the sound. The sound...I'll let that sink in....I can't fathom the ramifications for the business if that game tanks. They admitted 80 million spent on it so far. It's a lot more than that no doubt after how many years? And how many teams working on it? Far more than a normal game for sure. I also saw somewhere that Lucas **** his pants about some things concerning this game too, but who knows really. Clouds are hovering.
Part III- Shepard is bisexual too now in ME3, asari don't count apparently, but that's a few days old. Missed it myself earlier. So apparently the changes to DA from ME swing both ways....er, yeah....the harem option was broached but not considered. Kidding there.

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