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[Saurel]

Curious to hear what others think.  I may not be taking all endings into account, but to my knowledge most are along the lines of you become king, you die, and/or you or another Grey Warden sire a god-child with Morrigan.

None of these outcomes reall lend themselves to a reappearance in sequels... I suppose you could argue the King one could work if all things go to hell and your position basically means diddly ...and the death ending could work if you get ressurrected....

I know I'm ignoring some of the mage, elf,dwarf origins. But I assume (maybe incorrectly) they have an ending that seems pretty much like a dead end.

So the question is this

1.) Do you think the protagonist is the Main Hero of the story? That is to say if there is one...which might be a big assumption to make (especially if each subsequent game takes place in a slightly different time era).

Or do you think the story and the character are just set-up for the main trilogy or main saga involving a god-child?

So I guess it would be :options

• This character is the main character throughout all DA games
• This character is part of a Prequel to a series of games that will establish a Main Character you play through in subsequent games.
• The character is part of a long line of one-shot heroes.
• If you can think of something else?

[Maria Caliban]

First off, we have no idea what Morrigan is carrying around in her.



Secondly, in the story of Dragon Age: Origins, the PC is the protagonist. What happens in other games won't matter those are different stories.

[Raltar]

We'll, you can continue being a Grey Warden without being the sire of a demonspawn child with Morrigan if you have either Logain or Alistair kill the Archdemon. That ending could possibly lead to having the same PC for future games. I don't think that will be considered the true ending, though. The fact of the matter is, they gave so many options for the ending that they kinda shot themselves in the foot if they intended to continue on with the same PC. I've always felt since I completed the game(sacrifice ending) that the next game will take place much later, with only vague references to what happened in this one. I could be wrong, but with as many variances at the end of this one, I don't think they can reasonably continue with the same PC in the next game without pissing off a lot of people that don't like the ending that Bioware chooses as canon.

[Nosuchluck]

The old gods are only really called old gods because the people of the past feared and respected them so much. They might not actually have any other special power other than being an extremely powerful dragon which can act as a host for an archdemon. So like mentioned above we don't know what the child is going to turn out like, might be some type of super human or just a relativley normal mage with a bit of extra power.



If theres an expansion which continues from the main game then there might be something similiar to the Origin idea in the first game, but instead of how you started out it would deal with the different possibilities of what happend afterwards.

[Stakis]

im sure bioware can cook dlc that works with every ending,except the one u die ofc, but dying probably isnt the original idea of continuity that bioware had, its just a end with little impact in future content, i hope i can pick up my main char and keep on building his legend than just going around with one shot heroes.

[Stakis]

damn double posting

Modifié par Stakis, 19 novembre 2009 - 10:00 .

[Raltar]

Stakis wrote...

im sure bioware can cook dlc that works with every ending,except the one u die ofc, but dying probably isnt the original idea of continuity that bioware had, its just a end with little impact in future content, i hope i can pick up my main char and keep on building his legend than just going around with one shot heroes.

They wouldn't have given us the option to sacrifice ourselves if they didn't intend it to be an outcome.  To avoid all of the potential problems, Dragon Age 2 will not involve the PC from Dragon Age 1 aside from references.  I'm not saying it is impossible, but there would be a lot of work involved creating the next game to account for all possible variances in the endings that could possibly happen.  I'm almost positive the next game won't involve the PC from this one and will take place in a time and country far removed from this one.

[Gill Kaiser]

Nosuchluck wrote...

The old gods are only really called old gods because the people of the past feared and respected them so much. They might not actually have any other special power other than being an extremely powerful dragon which can act as a host for an archdemon. So like mentioned above we don't know what the child is going to turn out like, might be some type of super human or just a relativley normal mage with a bit of extra power.

If theres an expansion which continues from the main game then there might be something similiar to the Origin idea in the first game, but instead of how you started out it would deal with the different possibilities of what happend afterwards.

It seems to me from the existence of dragon cults that the older a dragon gets, the more intelligence it develops. OK, we never see a dragon communicate with anyone, but for the dragon cults to exist, there must be some kind of communication going on (the codex entry for them says as much). The Old Gods may simply have been the most ancient, most developed, most intelligent and powerful dragons around, maybe some kind of dragon progenitors or Alpha dragons. Perhaps they could communicate telepathically or were capable of true speech? It's not hard to imagine a culture revering mighty, ancient, intelligent beings like that.

If Morrigan's plan works, hopefully the godchild will have some of Urthemiel's memories and power. Nowhere is it explicably stated that the Old Gods were malevolent.

[JeffNichols]

I expect the Hero's sacrifice to be canon, and for future games to not really carry over choices you made.



But there are a lot of ways this can go. Could Morrigan having the child be canon? Perhaps you might play as that child, as opposed to a gray warden, as the 2nd and 3rd Dragon Age delve deeper into what is really going on in this world.

[Maria Caliban]

Codex entries are mostly written from an in-setting perspective. Sure, there might be something special about dragons. They're a supernatural animal if nothing else. This doesn't mean they're intelligent though, or have magical powers.



What makes Dragon Age different from the majority of fantasy settings is that the vast majority of important information is unknown to the players.



Is the Maker real? We don't know.

Are Andreste's ashes sacred? We don't know.

Are archdemons old gods? We don't know.

Is the Stone a guiding force? We don't know.

Were elves immortal? We don't know.

Are spirits and mortals related? We don't know.

What's the origin or magic? We don't know.



And so on, and so on.

[Stakis]

Raltar wrote...


They wouldn't have given us the option to sacrifice ourselves if they didn't intend it to be an outcome.  To avoid all of the potential problems, Dragon Age 2 will not involve the PC from Dragon Age 1 aside from references.  I'm not saying it is impossible, but there would be a lot of work involved creating the next game to account for all possible variances in the endings that could possibly happen.  I'm almost positive the next game won't involve the PC from this one and will take place in a time and country far removed from this one.

i agree if your talking about DA 2 but they already said were looking at 2 years content with DA1,plus my ending clearly says my MC went on many adventures that are to be told another time, to me looking how complex the game already is seems bioware wont have trouble ( they clearly possess the know how ) adding a plot that includes every ending, its just a matter of tuning NPCs and dialog in the end.

Modifié par Stakis, 19 novembre 2009 - 10:19 .

[Raltar]

I don't recall where I read it, but I remember reading that the dragons in Dragon Age were about as intelligent as dolphins are in the real world. Maybe it was on the wiki that I read that. Obviously, the Archdemon is going to be more intelligent because it is a dragon with the essence of an old god. Even so, he still didn't talk. But Dark Spawn don't talk, either(at least not the common tongue that is spoken by everyone else). Maybe a dragon simply doesn't have vocal cords that could produce human speech?

EDIT:

Stakis wrote...

Raltar wrote...


They
wouldn't have given us the option to sacrifice ourselves if they didn't
intend it to be an outcome.  To avoid all of the potential problems,
Dragon Age 2 will not involve the PC from Dragon Age 1 aside from
references.  I'm not saying it is impossible, but there would be a lot
of work involved creating the next game to account for all possible
variances in the endings that could possibly happen.  I'm almost
positive the next game won't involve the PC from this one and will take
place in a time and country far removed from this one.

i
agree if your talking about DA 2 but they already said were looking at
2 years content with DA1,plus my ending clearly says my MC went on many
adventures that are to be told another time, to me looking how complex
the game already is seems bioware wont have trouble ( they clearly
possess the know how ) adding a plot that includes every ending, its
just a matter of tuning NPCs and dialog in the end.

True, but I think they've said that all of that 2 years of DLC will take place before the Landsmeet takes place(even if you play through it after the final battle).  But I'm not talking DLC here. 
I'm talking about Dragon Age 2.  DLC will be small side quests like The
Stone Prisoner and Warden's Keep(Or Bringing Down the Sky, even). 
Chances of us getting a chasing after Morrigan DLC is pretty slim.  I'm
sure some fans will make one up with the tool set, however.  But actual
canon, I wouldn't hold your breath.

Modifié par Raltar, 19 novembre 2009 - 10:22 .

[Free_Spiritgr]

The child grows up and becomes the villain in the next game, and the hero has to bring it down!

[Gill Kaiser]

I have a feeling that the sequel (if there is one... we can only hope) will be set in Orlais and maybe the Anderfels as well. Arl Foreshadow's codex entry mentions Orlais, and the only other surviving dwarven Thaig, Kal Sharok, is located under the Orlais-Anderfel border. The Grey Warden headquarters are located in the Anderfels as well.

[DM Veil]

Well in my ending I did not die, did not become king (or queen), and did not help Morrigan sire a godchild. I got the ending I was hoping for where I get to return to Highever with my brother and restore our home and lands, living quietly for a time until the Grey Wardens were once again called upon.



Also when you beat the game you should notice a save file that you can load up that says you can continue to play DLC, the events just take place prior to the climax of the main story.

[Stakis]

well im dissapointed then, i was hoping dlc would be about moving on with the story and not exclusively about stuff that matters little, anyway im sure xpacs will be added, ill pray it involves morrigan, a reunion to help her save the child from something ( maybe flemeth)would be cool.

[Redmetikal]

Since this is Dragon Age: Origins I believe that the subtitle despite the innovation of the game focusing on the possible origins of the character holds more meaning.

I believe this is the origin of a series and I really think it is since Bioware spent all this time and work concepting a universe of their own free from D&D and will use it for more games.

If you'll be playing the god child in the next one it makes sense to make your own character and choose his race, etc since he is not fixed and based on the character you had in the first game. Maybe they;ll make some cool importing tool to use with your savegame to give you automatically some of your father's features...

There are a lot of endings sure but this one holds "a dark promise" for the future and the PC will proabably only be mentioned vaguely. Also Morrigan to me seems like the most important character, she's quite original for a game, has an excellent voice-over and seems to have been really polished by the developers. Also she was the first announced and placed on a sort of pedestal since the beginning.

So to respond to the OP I'd go for 2) with a chance of 3) but the story has something to do with Morrigan. Also Flemeth gives off some really cryptic answers when you go and talk to her on behald of Morrigan, and she will definitely return.

P.S. : Anyone else found it strange that Earl Eamon asks you what do you think of his son at the end celebration. I found it sort of foreshadowing but maybe I'm reading into it too much...

Modifié par Redmetikal, 19 novembre 2009 - 10:37 .

[totertot]

I don't know, I personally have conflicting theories and opinions on this. I'd love it if they kept some of the same characters but it doesn't seem possible or probable. My end game said that everyone lived and it probably wouldn't be the last we saw of the PC but with all the variety of endings available, the only way to make a sequel while taking all of that into affect would be to make it take place somewhere else at some other time. Holy run-on sentence, Batman!

[RavenholmeCP42]

If you romance Leliana, one of the ending slides suggests heavily that your character may not be as dead as previously believed. Especially considering that you have to admit (Despite many of you not believing there is a maker) that her visions haven't been wrong. (Mostly about the Grey Warden being a light in the darkness and destined for great things, etc)

[Saurel]

Maria Caliban wrote...



Secondly, in the story of
Dragon Age: Origins, the PC is the protagonist. What happens in other
games won't matter those are different stories.

My question was mainly to gauge peoples opinions on if one will continue as the same character or not....And it matters to me because I'm interested in where the story goes.

Unless you are being matter of fact and it was confirmed each entry will isolated vignettes.

Redmetikal wrote...
Also Morrigan to me seems like the most important character, she's quite original for a game, has an excellent voice-over and seems to have been really polished by the developers. Also she was the first announced and placed on a sort of pedestal since the beginning.

ITT there is something to this. As the devs said about Morrigan embodying the setting best. I could see her impregnation being a key point if this is a continuing story-line. Like you said Origins not just referring to the game innovation/feature.

Though it would seem a tad odd , if they had players romance Morrigan and then play as her child in the next game. Not all gamers did this of course

Modifié par Saurel, 19 novembre 2009 - 11:02 .

[Gill Kaiser]

Morrigan's child being the protagonist of the sequel makes a lot of sense. I hadn't considered that before, but in retrospect it seems quite an obvious idea. Also, didn't the epilogue say that she was spotted near the mountains on the border of Orlais? That ties in with the other hints that a sequel would be set there.

The only fly in the ointment is that you can choose not to agree to her plan.

[Raltar]

Well, if we're going to do that, you'll limit the race choice to human(and possibly dwarf...apparently dwarves and humans can have children{or this ending wouldn't be available to dwarf PCs}, but I don't know if it is like when elves and humans have a child, the child is always human).

[Redmetikal]

Saurel wrote...

ITT there is something to this. As the devs said about Morrigan embodying the setting best. I could see her impregnation being a key point if this is a continuing story-line. Like you said Origins not just referring to the game innovation/feature.

Though it would seem a tad odd , if they had players romance Morrigan and then play as her child in the next game. Not all gamers did this of course

But still she gives the PC the offer to save his life (Bioware included the expression to f**k for one's life in one of its stories) regardless of romance status so all that is required is for one of the Grey Wardens to do it...

I just had an idea... :wizard:what if she is refused by the PC and not allowed to talk to Alistair or Loghain shes just wooes Riordain I mean he's a Grey Warden right? And from Orlais IIRC and in the ending where you die it says whe was seen in Orlais...

Modifié par Redmetikal, 19 novembre 2009 - 11:22 .

[Redmetikal]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

The only fly in the ointment is that you can choose not to agree to her plan.

Maybe Riordain is more easily seduced...?

[Saurel]

I have to say I find the potential of the God Child being part of a moral conundrum more appealing than playing as said god child.

Especially if a game took place say 10-15 years from now, where the child isn't yet fully mature. I could see a very compelling Templar origin- especially if they are hunting down Morrigan. Also characters wouldn't be so old as to be ruled out (e.g. late 30s or early 40s) as having a large or notable role.

This is getting a bit fanfictiony, but you get my idea. I might be the only one who finds the idea appealing.

Modifié par Saurel, 19 novembre 2009 - 11:24 .