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[Golden Owl]

I was just sitting here thinking about Jack this morning, funnily enough for the fact that she doesn't particulary appeal to me, but anyway...A thought came up...for anybody who has the LotSB DLC and read the dossiers...We know Jack was declared dead at birth to her mother and her mother was pretty distraught...For all we know her mother could still be alive (I don't get the feeling that all the civilians were killedon Eden Prime)....What kind of impact do you think it would have on Jack...emotionally, psychologically, etc...If her mother was to be found and them reunited?...Shadow Broker should be able to track her.

[lolwut666]

I never thought of that.

It's true that Jack wasn't taken by force, so her mother - and the rest of her family, if they exist - might still be alive.

Could be an interesting twist.

[Golden Owl]

yorkj86 wrote...

You should discuss this in the Jack thread. We've discussed it before.

Some of us think that Jack wouldn't care about her parents. Some of us think that Jack would be pissed at her parents, specifically her mother, for being so easily tricked by a doctor.

I kinda figured given my general disdain of Jack that it would be more respectful of me to stay outside the Jack forum...just a weird take on whats respectful to me....but I digress. Though Jack rubs me the wrong way, as with anybody who rubs me the wrong way,I still see good in her....She is in my view dangerous and psychotic, but I can understand why she is, what happened to her is enough to send anyone around the twist....So I am hoping that there is a way for Shep to help her without having to romance her....I think it would be a shame if she blamed her mother, because it's possible that it could lead to a very loving and healing situation for her and give her what she most probably needs, a bit of normallacy and personal support.

[Labrev]

Given the trend with main characters' parents, better stay away from that one.

Also not sure it'd make much sense to have a reunion admist the chaos that will be ME3, or that she'd have an awful lot to gain by it either.

[Golden Owl]

yorkj86 wrote...



As for not having to romance Jack to get to know her, ME3 will have extensive "friendship paths," so you won't have to.

That would be brilliant...I would love for Shep to be able to explore and help without the need to bonk...Here's hoping BW implements this well.

[Golden Owl]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Given the trend with main characters' parents, better stay away from that one.

Trend gotta end eventually........why not start with Jack, I think she needs it the most...or once the reapers dealt with, believe it or not, I also really think she would find her redemption and fit in well with some kind humanitarian field...helping innocent victims (animals most likely) of some kind of cruel misadventure...forest fire survivors for example...she of all people understands pain and being the victim of, maybe relieving the pain of innocent victims would help heal her own.

Also not sure it'd make much sense to have a reunion admist the chaos that will be ME3, or that she'd have an awful lot to gain by it either.

Or...It could help her focus and give her something to honestly fight for...because to be honest, what is she really fighting for now? Why would she fight for anyone at the point she is currently at?

[Labrev]

Golden Owl wrote...

Trend gotta end eventually........why not start with Jack, I think she needs it the most...or once the reapers dealt with, believe it or not, I also really think she would find her redemption and fit in well with some kind humanitarian field...helping innocent victims (animals most likely) of some kind of cruel misadventure...forest fire survivors for example...she of all people understands pain and being the victim of, maybe relieving the pain of innocent victims would help heal her own.

Jack is pretty bitter about her past. If she has her way, she'll find
"redemption" in finding everyone who was involved with Teltin and go on a
killing-spree. Her mentality is not one to help other people's
suffering. "You get what you get, deserve's got nothing to do with it."

Golden Owl wrote...

Also not sure it'd make much sense to have a reunion admist the chaos that will be ME3, or that she'd have an awful lot to gain by it either.

Or...It could help her focus and give her something to honestly fight for...because to be honest, what is she really fighting for now? Why would she fight for anyone at the point she is currently at?

Thing is, she's become used to being alone/fending for herself at this point. She fights because that's what she was trained to do. She said herself, "I still get warm feelings during a fight" because that's what became programmed into her brain at a young age. She also fights to survive everyday, and I think the Reapers apply to that too since they kinda want to kill everything. Just ask her what she thinks of the mission, after Horizon.

Her parents may not accept her. Even if they do, it's not exactly a given they will *love* her just because she's their child. She's her own person, and not someone they've watched grow or have any personal connection with.

[Golden Owl]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...



Jack is pretty bitter about her past. If she has her way, she'll find
"redemption" in finding everyone who was involved with Teltin and go on a
killing-spree. Her mentality is not one to help other people's
suffering. "You get what you get, deserve's got nothing to do with it."

If she has her way 'yes'...but that only leads to more bitterness, a killing spree would only lead to momentary satisfaction and a force looking to lash out still when no-ones left.

Don't burst my bubble......I may be grasping at straws, who knows...but I can see something better in her than that.

Golden Owl wrote...

Also not sure it'd make much sense to have a reunion admist the chaos that will be ME3, or that she'd have an awful lot to gain by it either.

Or...It could help her focus and give her something to honestly fight for...because to be honest, what is she really fighting for now? Why would she fight for anyone at the point she is currently at?

Thing is, she's become used to being alone/fending for herself at this point. She fights because that's what she was trained to do. She said herself, "I still get warm feelings during a fight" because that's what became programmed into her brain at a young age. She also fights to survive everyday, and I think the Reapers apply to that too since they kinda want to kill everything. Just ask her what she thinks of the mission, after Horizon.

Her parents may not accept her. Even if they do, it's not exactly a given they will *love* her just because she's their child. She's her own person, and not someone they've watched grow or have any personal connection with.

As a mum, I can assure you the love would still be there, from her mum anyway.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 21 mai 2011 - 03:15 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Am I the only one that thinks "The Noose" by a Perfect Circle would go perfectly (heh) with a Jack redemption?

I know this isn't exactly on topic, but I found the song strangely fitting for what I imagine will happen in ME3.

And no, it isn't a suicide noose but a hangman's noose.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 21 mai 2011 - 03:34 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Golden Owl wrote...

As a mum, I can assure you the love would still be there, from her mum anyway.

Um, I can tell this is obviously true of you but it isn't quite accurate. I would assume, without sounding sexist (god damn PC), that mothers are more predisposed to affection for their children than fathers but that doesn't really count as a be all and end all fact.

[mineralica]

I think this news will royally complicate things.
Jack is very nervous and cautious when it comes to personal feelings. Every time Shepard approach with intention to talk she's trying to defend her safety, throwing unpleasant facts about her past (or at least to the point in romance when she asks Shepard iа he has a serious feelings. We're still in progress). She'll likely do the same with parents - and what honest naive colonist will say when they'll know their long lost daughter who died being so pure and innocent really is a dangerous criminal?
I don't say they can't figure things out, but how long will it take - who knows.

[Golden Owl]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

As a mum, I can assure you the love would still be there, from her mum anyway.

Um, I can tell this is obviously true of you but it isn't quite accurate. I would assume, without sounding sexist (god damn PC), that mothers are more predisposed to affection for their children than fathers but that doesn't really count as a be all and end all fact.

I have been out all day...but have in fact been thinking about this and wondering if anybody would brooch this thought and wondered myself. Then I began to think of the women I have known, who have had late term miscarriages, stillborns and SIDS infants...my Grandmother being one of them, a son was still born near on 60 years ago...I see these women and hear them and something is obvious among the majority, they continue to carry those babies in their hearts and minds through the rest of their lives...maybe not all, but definitley most of these women....So I would say all in all there's a very good chance Jacks mum would still be carrying her.

[Golden Owl]

mineralica wrote...

I think this news will royally complicate things.
Jack is very nervous and cautious when it comes to personal feelings. Every time Shepard approach with intention to talk she's trying to defend her safety, throwing unpleasant facts about her past (or at least to the point in romance when she asks Shepard iа he has a serious feelings. We're still in progress). She'll likely do the same with parents - and what honest naive colonist will say when they'll know their long lost daughter who died being so pure and innocent really is a dangerous criminal?
I don't say they can't figure things out, but how long will it take - who knows.

Yes, no doubt I would expect Jack to go through intial emotional trauma and anger...but as the saying goes 'it is darkest before the light'...her intial reactions would eventually subside and then generally the real feelings and work begins.

Her parents become aware of what happened to their daughter, I don't think they would see a criminal, they would see their daughter broken and abused.

[eternalnightmare13]

This might make a decent dlc for ME3 or better yet 2, (not likely for 2 since no more dlc) but it makes 0 sense to have something like this in ME3.