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Is DA2 really that bad?


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ExaltedReign

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This is all my opinion, so no need to flip **** and freak out.

I had managed two play throughs in DA:O, managed to get all the achievements on the 360. I liked the story, the characters. One thing I didn't like was the combat, it felt sluggish and boring. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't bad, it just wasn't my cup of tea.

I've played the demo for DA2 about seven times. I really like it. The combat, the dialogue, the characters. I thought it was pretty fun. Maybe *gasp* even more fun than origins. Now, I know it doesn't have all the in-depth story as Origins, but thats okay with me.

Why do people seem to think its suppose to be a sequal to Origins? The stories (I think) have nothing to do with eachother. It should be counted as its own game, not a sequal to origins. Just like WoW and Warcraft 3 should be counted as their own games.

I'm planning on getting it tommorow, and people on these forums seem to think I'd be better off getting Hello Kitty: Island Adventures.

I know that my generation (I'm 15) like games that are more action packed and whatnot, but is that a bad thing? Does that make us any less of a gamer?

Should I still get it?

Modifié par ExaltedReign, 21 mai 2011 - 06:28 .


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It doesn't make you less of a gamer...it makes it frustrating to people who love rpgs to have their games watered down to appeal to fans of different genres.

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If you hated DA:O's combat you'll most likely like the one in DA2. It's a pretty straight correlation curve as far as I can see from the input on these forums.

Just don't expect a story nearly as good as the first. The characters are hit or miss, I don't particularly care for anyone but Varric.

Why did we consider it a sequel to Origins oh God I don't know...maybe the 2 at the end of the title? Notice World of Warcraft wasnt called Warcraft 4?

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Oh yeah, DA2 is not the sequel of DAO. We should have DA1 in the future.

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A week ago I would've said, "No, it's just a bit below average for a big-budget RPG."

Now that The Witcher 2 is out, yeah, it's horrible and I'm not even going to bother finishing it.

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dmmmmmmmm wrote...

Oh yeah, DA2 is not the sequel of DAO. We should have DA1 in the future.


You know last week I bought Super Street Fighter 4. Kinda sucks that they stuck to the whole 1 on 1 fighting style. I mean I noticed the 4 at the end, but I thought it was just for style. Figured it would be a game like Dynasty Warriors and I could run around doing hurricane kicks in mobs of 30 chinese guys with pikes.

Damn Capcom for misleading me, they shouldn't think of games after Street Fighter 2 as sequels but individual games independant from each other!

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Sequel? Not a sequel? Who the hell cares? However it's marketed it's the same game.

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If the demo appealed to you, you will probably like the game. So go ahead and get it. If you can get it on sale even better.

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It's a horrible Bioware game, and an okay game.

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ExaltedReign wrote...

Why do people seem to think its suppose to be a sequal to Origins? The stories (I think) have nothing to do with eachother. It should be counted as its own game, not a sequal to origins. Just like WoW and Warcraft 3 should be counted as their own games.


Well for one the whole "2" is kind of a hint, as is the whole Dragon Age name don't you think? Then there's the fact Bioware more or less marketed it as such and then spent a good deal of time saying this would be "like DAO but better". So... yeah I really I guess it's hard to see why people would compare it to its predecessor instead of judging it purely on it's own merits.

Saying they're different just like WoW and WCIII are different games... sorry but WoW was clearly made to be an MMO where as WCIII was clearly intended and marketed as an RTS, entirely different expectations and (possibly) different crowds, and pretty much every one knew that going in. DAII not quite the same situation.

Modifié par Drasanil, 21 mai 2011 - 07:10 .


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Agamo45 wrote...

It's a horrible Bioware game, and an okay game.


I couldnt have said it better. Exactly it...thats exactly what this game is. Bravo friend.

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Yeah it's pretty bad. Didn't like the combat, myself but you said you enjoy it so you should be fine there (Which is good because it's going to be 90% of your forty hour playthrough).

The characters, as someone else said, are hit or miss. Aveline and Varric are cool, Anders and Isabella are completely one-note, Seb and Fenris are okay enough, and Merrill can go die in a fire.

The story is pretty bad though. It feels like they had an idea for three expansion packs/dlcs and just stuck em together as "Acts". Each are almost completely segregated from one another and have no bearing on any major later events. And as for choices/consequences they range from neat, as in "Oh hey, it's that dude from 10 hours ago, what up?" to pointless, as in "there are absolutely no consequences so what was the point in making a choice anyway?"

I wouldn't recommend it to anyone personally, but since I cancelled my preorder after playing the demo it looks like you had the exact opposite reaction I did, so maybe you'll like it more.

ExaltedReign wrote...

Why do people seem to think its
suppose to be a sequal to Origins? The stories (I think) have nothing to
do with eachother. It should be counted as its own game, not a sequal
to origins. Just like WoW and Warcraft 3 should be counted as their own
games


Uh... because there's a "2" in the title? The stories dont need to be related for it to be a sequel (See the GTA series). It is a sequel whether you choose to see it as such or not. Although, even if it wasn't it'd still be a ******-poor game, let alone a ******-poor Bioware Game.

Modifié par Mike2640, 21 mai 2011 - 07:21 .


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ExaltedReign wrote...

This is all my opinion, so no need to flip **** and freak out.

I had managed two play throughs in DA:O, managed to get all the achievements on the 360. I liked the story, the characters. One thing I didn't like was the combat, it felt sluggish and boring. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't bad, it just wasn't my cup of tea.

I've played the demo for DA2 about seven times. I really like it. The combat, the dialogue, the characters. I thought it was pretty fun. Maybe *gasp* even more fun than origins. Now, I know it doesn't have all the in-depth story as Origins, but thats okay with me.

Why do people seem to think its suppose to be a sequal to Origins? The stories (I think) have nothing to do with eachother. It should be counted as its own game, not a sequal to origins. Just like WoW and Warcraft 3 should be counted as their own games.

I'm planning on getting it tommorow, and people on these forums seem to think I'd be better off getting Hello Kitty: Island Adventures.

I know that my generation (I'm 15) like games that are more action packed and whatnot, but is that a bad thing? Does that make us any less of a gamer?

Should I still get it?


Well there is this.. on the frigging dragonage mainpage. http://dragonage.bioware.com

"Experience the epic sequel to the 2009 Game of the Year from the critically acclaimed makers of Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 2."

So, not a sequel, eh? Judge it on its own?

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Mike2640 wrote...

Yeah it's pretty bad. Didn't like the combat, myself but you said you enjoy it so you should be fine there (Which is good because it's going to be 90% of your forty hour playthrough).

The characters, as someone else said, are hit or miss. Aveline and Varric are cool, Anders and Isabella are completely one-note, Seb and Fenris are okay enough, and Merrill can go die in a fire.

The story is pretty bad though. It feels like they had an idea for three expansion packs/dlcs and just stuck em together as "Acts". Each are almost completely segregated from one another and have no bearing on any major later events. And as for choices/consequences they range from neat, as in "Oh hey, it's that dude from 10 hours ago, what up?" to pointless, as in "there are absolutely no consequences so what was the point in making a choice anyway?"

I wouldn't recommend it to anyone personally, but since I cancelled my preorder after playing the demo it looks like you had the exact opposite reaction I did, so maybe you'll like it more.

ExaltedReign wrote...

Why do people seem to think its
suppose to be a sequal to Origins? The stories (I think) have nothing to
do with eachother. It should be counted as its own game, not a sequal
to origins. Just like WoW and Warcraft 3 should be counted as their own
games


Uh... because there's a "2" in the title? The stories dont need to be related for it to be a sequel (See the GTA series). It is a sequel whether you choose to see it as such or not. Although, even if it wasn't it'd still be a ******-poor game, let alone a ******-poor Bioware Game.


This^

And no, liking action, action, ACTION, ACTION, MOAR ACTION pleaz, doesn't make you less of a gamer. It may mean that you are a gamer that would be happier with a certain genre of games rather than RPGs.

That being said, DA2 maybe be right up your ally. After all, they watered it down story wise, choice wise (RPG wise in otherwords) and hybridized it into a hack and slash, anime, MMORPG fed-ex quest type game to grab the audiences who prefer to play MMORPGs, Farmville, and FPS's. In short, people like me, are disappointed because they went for crowds that don't like RPGs.

So, my disappointment aside, play the demo. Rent it. See if you like it. The combat is more action packed. The quests are shorter, and wont' bother you with stories, just follow the arrows. The game has three stories rather than one, and the quests tend to be short so it is more likely to hold your attention without boring you overly much. Dungeons are shorter as well, and no worries about putting armor on your companions and loot has junk button to make that easier, and the combat trees are simpler (all of these things were apparently complaints from DAO).

If those elements appeal to you...that might help make your decision. I still say, borrow a friends, or rent (the demo gives you a feel for combat, but only a shallow taste--no exploding enemies) and little else. 

Modifié par erynnar, 21 mai 2011 - 07:39 .


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If I were you, I'd get a rental copy, or see if a friend will let you borrow it, before you buy it outright.

I have a truckload of problems with the majority of aspects within the game, but I get the impression you're likely to overlook a lot of the flaws if you like the combat, so that's okay.

If you like the combat and don't mind the fact that there's less depth, there's little to dissuade you from getting Dragon Age 2.

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Whatever you do, don't spend money. This excrement isn't worth it even used or on sale.

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Is DA2 really that bad?

Having completed a playthrough finally I can confidently say... yes.

Modifié par LyndseyCousland, 21 mai 2011 - 07:47 .


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ExaltedReign wrote...
I'm planning on getting it tommorow, and people on these forums seem to think I'd be better off getting Hello Kitty: Island Adventures.

I know that my generation (I'm 15) like games that are more action packed and whatnot, but is that a bad thing? Does that make us any less of a gamer?

Should I still get it?


If I made my decisions based on what people on forums said, I would've never experienced many of my favorite games because they were all "crap".

Seriously, if you enjoyed the demo odds are you will like the main game (the only thing that could disappoint you is the story, since you already know you'll like the gameplay).

Screw the negativity on the forums, they are not you, they don't know what you will like or not. You tried the demo and you liked it, that's about as good as it gets.

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P.S. If you loved Origins then it is unlikely you'll enjoy DA2.

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If you liked the demo then you'll probably enjoy the combat that features overly gruesome and horribly rendered bodily explosions. Be prepared, however, for ninja enemies dropping from the sky and being stuck in the same tiny lifeless city for the entire game that is created with absolute lack of passion and love. Also, be prepared to enter the same cave or building numerous times. Be also prepared for anti-dramatic scenes that developers throw at you, trying to make you care but miserably fail.

You might still enjoy it however so give it a shot and ready your teats for milking.

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If you liked the demo, you will most likely enjoy the main game. I would recommend renting it first if you can, though I'd recommend that option for most games. The game isn't bad; however, it also isn't what a good number of DA:O fans were hoping for. And DA2 is a sequel to Origins in much the same way that the FF games are sequels to each other.

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Zjarcal wrote...

ExaltedReign wrote...
I'm planning on getting it tommorow, and people on these forums seem to think I'd be better off getting Hello Kitty: Island Adventures.

I know that my generation (I'm 15) like games that are more action packed and whatnot, but is that a bad thing? Does that make us any less of a gamer?

Should I still get it?


If I made my decisions based on what people on forums said, I would've never experienced many of my favorite games because they were all "crap".

Seriously, if you enjoyed the demo odds are you will like the main game (the only thing that could disappoint you is the story, since you already know you'll like the gameplay).

Screw the negativity on the forums, they are not you, they don't know what you will like or not. You tried the demo and you liked it, that's about as good as it gets.


And this OP! ^  I maybe in a ****tastic mood, for which I apologize, my job does that sometimes. But yeah, don't let anyone here influence you. However, it is a lot of money. So I advise anyone to rent it or borrow, or play at a friend's.  The demon doesn't quite give you the game (ie exploding enemies that put blood on your screen making it hard to see--which you might find fun and challenging--enemies drop from the sky on to your mages...so watch them carefully,  not meant to be negative, just the demo doesn't really give what happens in game--so, things like that).

It is faster, and more action packed than DAO combat. I enjoyed my mage, which I treated like a magical shooter, AoE spells rock on the enemies that like to spawn behind you. I had a lot of fun putting a spell down around my mage and watching them die by firey meteor. :lol:

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LyndseyCousland wrote...

P.S. If you loved Origins then it is unlikely you'll enjoy DA2.


Bull**** because I am loving both.

The more I play Dragon Age 2 the more I see thye vocal minority on this forum are fll of it. That they decided they would hate the game before they ever got it and are here for the sole reason to fight some noexsitant war.

Yes DA2 has its flaws. No more then the rest of BioWares catalogue, but the more I play DA2 the more I see so many of these posters complaints stem from pure ignorance. A game they have barley played and decided before they ever picked it up that they would hate it.

It is far from a bad game... but I will say that is not up to the quality I expect from BioWare. Even then its better then so many others.

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If you loved the demo, go for it. Granted I can't really endorse this since you're 15 and it's rated M, but, eh, I played Half-life before I turned 18, and I turned out fine. *goes back to nibbling on human remains*

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addiction21 wrote...

LyndseyCousland wrote...

P.S. If you loved Origins then it is unlikely you'll enjoy DA2.


Bull**** because I am loving both.

The more I play Dragon Age 2 the more I see thye vocal minority on this forum are fll of it. That they decided they would hate the game before they ever got it and are here for the sole reason to fight some noexsitant war.

Yes DA2 has its flaws. No more then the rest of BioWares catalogue, but the more I play DA2 the more I see so many of these posters complaints stem from pure ignorance. A game they have barley played and decided before they ever picked it up that they would hate it.

It is far from a bad game... but I will say that is not up to the quality I expect from BioWare. Even then its better then so many others.


read: unlikely

Barley, lol. I completed both games.