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[Zjarcal]

LyndseyCousland wrote...

P.S. If you loved Origins then it is unlikely you'll enjoy DA2.

Yeah, that's not a universal rule so it's not really "unlikely" (as in, the chances are high, which is what you're implying) that one who loved Origins will automatically dislike DA2.

[upsettingshorts]

It depends what you liked about Origins, what you hated, and what you didn't feel strongly about either way.

So... it's not really a strong predictor. I'd say if the primary reason you loved DAO was its similarity to pre-KOTOR/JE BioWare games, then yeah, you probably aren't a fan of DA2.

[LyndseyCousland]

I'm not in the mood for nitpicking this morning.
I've given my opinion. Take it or leave it.

The game really did not pack the punch it could of done for what it was but by all means spend money on it if you want to.

[upsettingshorts]

Given those choices I'll go with "leave it," then.

[JBurke]

Buy The Witcher 2 instead. Unlike DA2, you get your money's worth. In fact, The Witcher 2 is what DA2 should have been like.

Modifié par JBurke, 21 mai 2011 - 08:12 .

[Myounage]

All said and done: buy The Witcher 2 instead.

[Zjarcal]

JBurke wrote...

In fact, The Witcher 2 is what DA2 should have been like.

Playing a set male protagonist? Thank the maker DA2 wasn't like TW2.

[addiction21]

JBurke wrote...

Buy The Witcher 2 instead. Unlike DA2, you get your money's worth. In fact, The Witcher 2 is what DA2 should have been like.

Bought the WIthcer 2... going to buy DA2. I know i am getting my moneys worth either way.

What else do you have to say?

Sorry but enjoying one does not mean you have to hate the other. I know its a hard concept for some people.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Despite my dislike for Dragon Age 2 and my intense like for Witcher 2, they really aren't the same kind of game. In terms of an overarching design, attention to detail and execution of concepts, yes, Witcher 2 blows Dragon Age 2 out of the water (imo). But in terms of actual gameplay mechanics, they are pretty different. You can't substitute one for the other and expect the same kind of game.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 21 mai 2011 - 08:22 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

ExaltedReign wrote...

Why do people seem to think its suppose to be a sequal to Origins?

Well, the roman numerals sort of hint at it being a sequel.

The stories (I think) have nothing to do with eachother. It should be counted as its own game, not a sequal to origins. Just like WoW and Warcraft 3 should be counted as their own games.

Most DA:O fans had made their peace (dramatic as that sounds) that DA2 wouldn't be following the same PC, companions, or even be in the same country. You don't need to be in the same locality or with the same NPCs for it to be a sequel, but you *do* need to sufficiently follow in the footsteps of the original for it to feel like a sequel, otherwise it just feels like an offshoot of the main series (not that DA could have been considered a series after just one game). There's no gradual change and evolution, it's just suddenly *different*, and while some fans may be pleasantly surprised at the new style, others can be rudely shocked or just disappointed because they *liked* the original style.

The easy way to not have touted DA2 as a sequel would have been to drop the 2 and put in a subtitle. Apparently they considered doing just that, then for some reason decided not to.

I know that my generation (I'm 15) like games that are more action packed and whatnot, but is that a bad thing? Does that make us any less of a gamer?

You're a different generation of gamer, that's all. 'Old Timers' come from an era when RPGs didn't spoonfeed you. You had to draw your own maps (on grid paper!), write your own notes, and actually pay attention to what NPCs said because the game didn't keep track of quests for you or make little gold symbols flash over places/people you needed to go to.

You young whippersnappers have it too easy!

Should I still get it?

If you've played the demo seven times and still like it, then you should get the game.

I  liked DA2. Not as much as Origins, but that had little to do with the combat changes (which, for the most part, I liked. Combat doesn't make/break RPGs for me, story and characters do).

[abaris]

Filament wrote...

Witcher 2 is an entirely different game in a different setting with different gameplay, to say one can simply be substituted for another is rather silly.

Agreed.

And though DAII certainly doesn't interest me, the Witcher doesn't interest me either. As has been said - mainly because of the fixed protagonist.

Tastes play a very large role when it comes to games and so I'm always reluctant to hand out advice for anyone else. I didn't like the gameplay aspects of DAII. They were clearly present in the demo and if OP liked them, its probably not a waste of money to buy the whole game. Even more so, since the price is dropping dramatically right now.

ExaltedReign wrote...

I know that my generation (I'm
15) like games that are more action packed and whatnot, but is that a
bad thing? Does that make us any less of a gamer?

No, it doesn't make you less of a gamer. Point is, there are already more than enough action oriented games out there. No need to turn each and every game into an action fest.

Modifié par abaris, 21 mai 2011 - 08:37 .

[erynnar]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

ExaltedReign wrote...

Why do people seem to think its suppose to be a sequal to Origins?

Well, the roman numerals sort of hint at it being a sequel.

The stories (I think) have nothing to do with eachother. It should be counted as its own game, not a sequal to origins. Just like WoW and Warcraft 3 should be counted as their own games.

Most DA:O fans had made their peace (dramatic as that sounds) that DA2 wouldn't be following the same PC, companions, or even be in the same country. You don't need to be in the same locality or with the same NPCs for it to be a sequel, but you *do* need to sufficiently follow in the footsteps of the original for it to feel like a sequel, otherwise it just feels like an offshoot of the main series (not that DA could have been considered a series after just one game). There's no gradual change and evolution, it's just suddenly *different*, and while some fans may be pleasantly surprised at the new style, others can be rudely shocked or just disappointed because they *liked* the original style.

The easy way to not have touted DA2 as a sequel would have been to drop the 2 and put in a subtitle. Apparently they considered doing just that, then for some reason decided not to.

I know that my generation (I'm 15) like games that are more action packed and whatnot, but is that a bad thing? Does that make us any less of a gamer?

You're a different generation of gamer, that's all. 'Old Timers' come from an era when RPGs didn't spoonfeed you. You had to draw your own maps (on grid paper!), write your own notes, and actually pay attention to what NPCs said because the game didn't keep track of quests for you or make little gold symbols flash over places/people you needed to go to.

You young whippersnappers have it too easy!

Should I still get it?

If you've played the demo seven times and still like it, then you should get the game.

I  liked DA2. Not as much as Origins, but that had little to do with the combat changes (which, for the most part, I liked. Combat doesn't make/break RPGs for me, story and characters do).

And OP I apologize if I have sounded grumpy. As always Shadow says it well! You are a different style of gamer. My cousin is (his words which is why I used it, because it cracks me up when he does it) action, ACTION, MOAR ACTION! He keeps me in stitches. ANd yes he is a gamer like you (even though you might think he's old)

@Shadow...oh the grid paper map...

Edited to say....While you might like TW2 it has a lot of combat, and it is pretty graphically (if that interests you at all), it isn't like DA2, they are completely different games. So, yeah, substituting isn't really an option. You might like both, you might not. I would wait for a working demo for TW2, like you did for DA2.

Modifié par erynnar, 21 mai 2011 - 08:36 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

@erynnar: I still have my stack of maps for the original The Bard's Tale. Including teleport coordinates for how to get straight to the front door of the endgame boss.

@Autolycus: Yeah, it was fun...sadly I could probably never to back to that style of gameplay. Modern games have spoiled me and made me a lazy gamer. :/ But some of the most satisfying moments I've gotten from old RPGs was the effort you had to put in to win--and I'm not talking about combat.

[Mrbananagrabber]

Zjarcal wrote...

JBurke wrote...

In fact, The Witcher 2 is what DA2 should have been like.

Playing a set male protagonist? Thank the maker DA2 wasn't like TW2.

My little pony avatar. Strike 1.

Homemade naked video game chicks doing the dirty as a banner. Strike 2.

Uses video game terms in conversations. Strike 3.

...Yeah guess what I think I'm gonna do the exact opposite of whatever you say my friend. God forbid they make you play a male character *gasp*! Enjoy your rushed game with bone-dry storytelling. At least you can roleplay and fulfill all your Thedian fantasies!!

[Zanallen]

Mrbananagrabber wrote...

My little pony avatar. Strike 1.

Homemade naked video game chicks doing the dirty as a banner. Strike 2.

Uses video game terms in conversations. Strike 3.

...Yeah guess what I think I'm gonna do the exact opposite of whatever you say my friend. God forbid they make you play a male character *gasp*! Enjoy your rushed game with bone-dry storytelling. At least you can roleplay and fulfill all your Thedian fantasies!!

Heh, judging people on their avatars, awesome. Also, being able to customize the PC is one of the things people really like about Bioware games. Hence the backlash about not being able to play as an elf or dwarf in DA2 and why there are so many people who want femShep on the cover of an ME game.

[DKJaigen]

LyndseyCousland wrote...

P.S. If you loved Origins then it is unlikely you'll enjoy DA2.

Bull**** i loved both. In my opinion DA2 is superior in many ways to orgins.

In orgins the story was not realistic, You have to collect 4 allies who have major problems when a blight hits. Thats pretty poor storytelling the only thing that was good was the arl of eamon quest. In da2 i find the story more realistic. No
"epic"bull**** where you fix the world by yourself.

Combat was defintely improved with each class being unique. in dao the difference between the warrior and the rogue was minimal.

The npc's where better and gave more background of themselves. The only negative thing was that it was a bit to short for my tastes. but it was better then listening to allistairs whining , morrigans ****ing or leliana's wrecthed story's just to gain approval points.

Their are a few negatives certainly. the recyceld landscape is indeed annoying after a while. Furthermore act 3 was to short and really was rushed. Their was little in the way of tension building compared to act 2. But overall i say DA 2 is better but they need to combine the strenghts of both games into 1

Modifié par DKJaigen, 21 mai 2011 - 09:12 .

[ExaltedReign]

Mrbananagrabber wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

JBurke wrote...

In fact, The Witcher 2 is what DA2 should have been like.

Playing a set male protagonist? Thank the maker DA2 wasn't like TW2.

My little pony avatar. Strike 1.

Homemade naked video game chicks doing the dirty as a banner. Strike 2.

Uses video game terms in conversations. Strike 3.

...Yeah guess what I think I'm gonna do the exact opposite of whatever you say my friend. God forbid they make you play a male character *gasp*! Enjoy your rushed game with bone-dry storytelling. At least you can roleplay and fulfill all your Thedian fantasies!!

Eh, I'm not likely to trust someone named Mr. Banana-Grabber either.

[Mrbananagrabber]

ExaltedReign wrote...

Mrbananagrabber wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

JBurke wrote...

In fact, The Witcher 2 is what DA2 should have been like.

Playing a set male protagonist? Thank the maker DA2 wasn't like TW2.

My little pony avatar. Strike 1.

Homemade naked video game chicks doing the dirty as a banner. Strike 2.

Uses video game terms in conversations. Strike 3.

...Yeah guess what I think I'm gonna do the exact opposite of whatever you say my friend. God forbid they make you play a male character *gasp*! Enjoy your rushed game with bone-dry storytelling. At least you can roleplay and fulfill all your Thedian fantasies!!

Eh, I'm not likely to trust someone named Mr. Banana-Grabber either.

Touché.

Tho you might see a lot of bananagrabbing misters in this game, I remember Anders tried to grab it after I tried to win some points with him in a discussion.

Then don't trust me when I say you'll like this game, because if you enjoyed the combat in the demo the game is 40 hours of non-stop combat.

[DKJaigen]

Mrbananagrabber wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

JBurke wrote...

In fact, The Witcher 2 is what DA2 should have been like.

Playing a set male protagonist? Thank the maker DA2 wasn't like TW2.

My little pony avatar. Strike 1.

Homemade naked video game chicks doing the dirty as a banner. Strike 2.

Uses video game terms in conversations. Strike 3.

...Yeah guess what I think I'm gonna do the exact opposite of whatever you say my friend. God forbid they make you play a male character *gasp*! Enjoy your rushed game with bone-dry storytelling. At least you can roleplay and fulfill all your Thedian fantasies!!

Well done! you now look like an absolute jackass. Also i , Zjarcal and you have different tastes . Why dont we respect each for that.

[Macrake]

Get the witcher 2 instead. Completely amazing aside from a couple of technical issues which will get fixed in a patch soon. It really shows just how terrible da2 is.

[Tommy6860]

Mrbananagrabber wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

JBurke wrote...

In fact, The Witcher 2 is what DA2 should have been like.

Playing a set male protagonist? Thank the maker DA2 wasn't like TW2.

My little pony avatar. Strike 1.

Homemade naked video game chicks doing the dirty as a banner. Strike 2.

Uses video game terms in conversations. Strike 3.

...Yeah guess what I think I'm gonna do the exact opposite of whatever you say my friend. God forbid they make you play a male character *gasp*! Enjoy your rushed game with bone-dry storytelling. At least you can roleplay and fulfill all your Thedian fantasies!!

Don't you think your "three strikes" are being shortsighted as just being against Zjarcal for the sake of it. Her banner, quoting gaming conversations etc have nothing to do with the quality of TW2, she just stated her prefernces and I for oen agree with those preferences.  I loved TW storyline and game play and the RPG elements, but only could muster half of a second playthrough because I was just this static one gender caucasian male player with little customization. I like having the choice of at least a gender and I am passing on TW2 until it gets cheaper, just like I did on TWEE until I got it for $15 USD.

[Tommy6860]

Macrake wrote...

Get the witcher 2 instead. Completely amazing aside from a couple of technical issues which will get fixed in a patch soon. It really shows just how terrible da2 is.

I don't get it really. I really disliked DA2, but I disliked it based on its own premises, not that of another game. I personally think Origins blows away TWEE for the reasons of being able to customize my character, choose a race or gender to play. These are very important elements for me when playing an RPG. If going by what DA2 offers, I at least can choose a class and gender and do some pretty exciting stuff with abilities. The storyline in DA2 is gorfed IMO, and may not compare to TW2, but I just think comparing the two doesn't fit.

Comparing TW to TW2 as is comparing Origins to DA2 is more apropos.

[PAYMO]

In short, DA2 is not bad. However, it is not extremely greater than DA:O (obviously DA2 require some time to polish). I feel that BioWare rush this title a bit. Hopefully in DA3 they will delay the release date and make in better than both of them!