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[ExaltedReign]

Well, not to start a flame-war, but to me, DA:O wasn't my favorite game ever.
Believe me, its better than a lot of other games, I just wouldn't call it the best game ever.

And, I'd like a story that actually had different endings. Believe it or not, the endings in DA:O weren't all that different. And you decisions didn't make much of an impact either. Sure, in the final battle, but other than that, it was pretty much a linear story.

For example, if I decide to wipe out clan of dalish elves and side with Werewolfs, I want something to reflect that decision. I want other dalish to hate me, and people to fear me for siding with werewolves. Kind of like how you encountered survivors if you blew up megaton.

I've been asking around (not on here), and people seem to like the combat and dialogue of DA2 better, while the Story, Quests, and environments are better in DA:O. I hope that DA3 has the best of both worlds.

[Mike2640]

addiction21 wrote...

LyndseyCousland wrote...

P.S. If you loved Origins then it is unlikely you'll enjoy DA2.

Bull**** because I am loving both.

The more I play Dragon Age 2 the more I see thye vocal minority on this forum are fll of it. That they decided they would hate the game before they ever got it and are here for the sole reason to fight some noexsitant war.

Yes DA2 has its flaws. No more then the rest of BioWares catalogue, but the more I play DA2 the more I see so many of these posters complaints stem from pure ignorance. A game they have barley played and decided before they ever picked it up that they would hate it.

Or maybe we just didn't like it? Since I took forty hours out of my life to finish DA2 I dont think you can really call me ignorant on the subject. I just didn't enjoy it. I actually thought I'd like it more after playing the demo. Not enough to shell out 60 bones for it, but still figured it'd be "okay". But it never got "okay" for me. Didn't have fun.

Most of the people i've seen criticize the game have a wide range of feelings about it, but they do seem to be pretty in the know. So why don't you take a step back and rethink your position before you decide we all hate it just "because we can".

[DKJaigen]

Mike2640 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

LyndseyCousland wrote...

P.S. If you loved Origins then it is unlikely you'll enjoy DA2.

Bull**** because I am loving both.

The more I play Dragon Age 2 the more I see thye vocal minority on this forum are fll of it. That they decided they would hate the game before they ever got it and are here for the sole reason to fight some noexsitant war.

Yes DA2 has its flaws. No more then the rest of BioWares catalogue, but the more I play DA2 the more I see so many of these posters complaints stem from pure ignorance. A game they have barley played and decided before they ever picked it up that they would hate it.

Or maybe we just didn't like it? Since I took forty hours out of my life to finish DA2 I dont think you can really call me ignorant on the subject. I just didn't enjoy it. I actually thought I'd like it more after playing the demo. Not enough to shell out 60 bones for it, but still figured it'd be "okay". But it never got "okay" for me. Didn't have fun.

Most of the people i've seen criticize the game have a wide range of feelings about it, but they do seem to be pretty in the know. So why don't you take a step back and rethink your position before you decide we all hate it just "because we can".

valid critism hasnt yet occured. so your opinion and those of the vocal minority arent relevant untill they do.

[Macrake]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Macrake wrote...

Get the witcher 2 instead. Completely amazing aside from a couple of technical issues which will get fixed in a patch soon. It really shows just how terrible da2 is.

I don't get it really. I really disliked DA2, but I disliked it based on its own premises, not that of another game. I personally think Origins blows away TWEE for the reasons of being able to customize my character, choose a race or gender to play. These are very important elements for me when playing an RPG. If going by what DA2 offers, I at least can choose a class and gender and do some pretty exciting stuff with abilities. The storyline in DA2 is gorfed IMO, and may not compare to TW2, but I just think comparing the two doesn't fit.

Comparing TW to TW2 as is comparing Origins to DA2 is more apropos.

Blabla. Yes i dislike da2 not because of other games but just because its ****. Point is, witcher 2 shows us what is possible in 2011 for an RPG.  It has raised the standard so much higher and lazy crap like da2 hopefully wont get released again.

[Guitar-Hero]

The people calling DA2 trash are crazy and should seek help, however those caling DA2 an epic masterpiece with a deep story are equally mentally challenged, you can't overlook the faults this game has, however that doesn't make it crap, is a bad sequal to Origins- yes, is it a rushed/lazilly designed game- yes, is it a bad game- no, is it a great game- no.

[Teddie Sage]

I can't say it's bad... But it's like playing Heavy Rain without the interaction and the different endings.

[Mrbananagrabber]

Steffen wrote...

The people calling DA2 trash are crazy and should seek help, however those caling DA2 an epic masterpiece with a deep story are equally mentally challenged, you can't overlook the faults this game has, however that doesn't make it crap, is a bad sequal to Origins- yes, is it a rushed/lazilly designed game- yes, is it a bad game- no, is it a great game- no.

Thank you for setting me on the path to recovery. I will now the follow the Path of the Absolute Neutrality as you do master. Everything is...meeeeehhhhh

[oldmansavage]

All BS aside you should really spend a few bucks on Witcher 2.  I know it gets touted as a great game a lot but it truly is an excellent game.  I never played the first Witcher and got talked into buying the second one.  I was a little worried at first but I can say it was a good purchase at the end of the day.

As for DA 2 if enjoy a game with a crap ton of action and a linear story line then by all means grab it up.  It also makes it easier if you can look past some of its glaring faults such as reused maps and teleporting enemies. 

All depends on what you are looking for.

[DOYOURLABS]

I am the same age and felt the same way about Origins, so my guess is you will feel the same way I do about DA2. I loved it, the choices actually mattered, the combat was amazing, and you could really customize your character's values/morals/etc. alot more than you could in origins.

[Savber100]

It's not E.T. bad. ;P

In fact, the game is quite decent.

BUT, it is the MOST disappointing game from Bioware because of the high standards set by the predecessor and it's sad how it could have been avoided if the developers have kept more closely to the original vision with emphasis on the classic RPGs of old.

Most everyone thought that DA as a whole was going to be the spiritual sequel to Baldur's Gate but DA2 gave us all a rude awakening.

Too bad... I thought that Bioware had a winning formula with DA appealing to the hardcore classic RPG crowd while ME goes for the more actiony, streamlined gamers.

[tariq071]

Zjarcal wrote...

JBurke wrote...

In fact, The Witcher 2 is what DA2 should have been like.

Playing a set male protagonist? Thank the maker DA2 wasn't like TW2.

So in your words games like Gothic 1,2,3
and Risen are no good at all? I beg to differ since they are classics(most of them)
and still widely played 5+ years later.Lets see how will DA 2 fare in 5
years, then make conclusions about it.

DKJaigen wrote...

valid critism hasnt yet occured. so your opinion and those of the vocal minority arent relevant untill they do.

How exactly you came up with that equation about who is minority? You have some stats to back that up or it's just some wishfull thinking that you had dream about last night ?

Outside of this forums i havent seen any widespread praise about DA 2.In fact some major forums have no posts about it for month now, which doesn't sound like such a great game but mediocre at best.(other BW games on those forums are still well visited, like Kotor, DAO, etc..)

Modifié par tariq071, 21 mai 2011 - 06:09 .

[Drasanil]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

I am the same age and felt the same way about Origins, so my guess is you will feel the same way I do about DA2. I loved it, the choices actually mattered, the combat was amazing, and you could really customize your character's values/morals/etc. alot more than you could in origins.

The rest is really subjective, but please explain the bolded part. I went through DAII and none of the choices really seemed to amount to anything and the biggest choice at the end results in the exact same outcome regardless of what you picked.

[oldmansavage]

Drasanil wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

I am the same age and felt the same way about Origins, so my guess is you will feel the same way I do about DA2. I loved it, the choices actually mattered, the combat was amazing, and you could really customize your character's values/morals/etc. alot more than you could in origins.

The rest is really subjective, but please explain the bolded part. I went through DAII and none of the choices really seemed to amount to anything and the biggest choice at the end results in the exact same outcome regardless of what you picked.

I'm a little curious myself. 

[KazenoKoe]

Myounage wrote...

A week ago I would've said, "No, it's just a bit below average for a big-budget RPG."

Now that The Witcher 2 is out, yeah, it's horrible and I'm not even going to bother finishing it.

+1

[Davasar]

Zjarcal wrote...

JBurke wrote...

In fact, The Witcher 2 is what DA2 should have been like.

Playing a set male protagonist? Thank the maker DA2 wasn't like TW2.

*Sarcasm*  Right, because having ONE more choice (gender) makes a world of difference.  *sarcasm off*

<_<

Modifié par Davasar, 21 mai 2011 - 06:28 .

[ref]

Yes, it's that bad. It's an below average game on it's own, but knowing it came from the developers who made Origins it makes it an awful gane.

[Merced652]

Zjarcal wrote...

JBurke wrote...

In fact, The Witcher 2 is what DA2 should have been like.

Playing a set male protagonist? Thank the maker DA2 wasn't like TW2.

Aww thats too bad, i guess you'll love your da2 even though the story is completely linear and your choices don't matter despite being able to choose your gender or class. Hey i understand, rollercoasters can be fun. 

[DOYOURLABS]

oldmansavage wrote...

Drasanil wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

I am the same age and felt the same way about Origins, so my guess is you will feel the same way I do about DA2. I loved it, the choices actually mattered, the combat was amazing, and you could really customize your character's values/morals/etc. alot more than you could in origins.

The rest is really subjective, but please explain the bolded part. I went through DAII and none of the choices really seemed to amount to anything and the biggest choice at the end results in the exact same outcome regardless of what you picked.

I'm a little curious myself. 

I haven't played in a bit, but I'll see what I can get off the top of my head.

For one, if you are always sarcastic/nice/evil, your character's automatic reactions reflected that. Don't really know if I'm wording this correctly, but when you don't choose what Hawke says, he stays in the style of sarcastic/good/evil.

One of my favorite examples is getting the Arishok's respect. By doing this, you get special dialogue a new quest in act 3. It revolves around a serious of dialogue choices, without having any indication they would earn respect. It changes up the quanari's reaction to you. 

Whether you side with mages or templars changes up act 3, what side quests you get, what leader likes you etc. One thing I didn't like was the quest "Best Served Cold" because it doesn't really reflect your choices, but I can't go into specifics because of the no spoiler rule. 

[ChurchOfZod]

It's not terrible but the repeated environments and lack of a focused narrative really hurt it. After I got through the initial excetement of playing DA2 I put it down and haven't played again in over a month. It's the first Bioware 360 game that I didn't feel the need to get all achievements for either.

[Medhia Nox]

1. Whether or not it's "that bad" is subjective. From my point of view - it was terrible storytelling (which is a key element to RPGs for me)

2. I've never been an instant gratification - sensory overload sort of person. I believe that slow builds often build the best... anything rushed through I often feel is shallow and has very little merit beside the immediate entertainment. Again - that might be for some, but I prefer something else. ((I equate it to junk food - same with summer Blockbuster movies)).

3. No - you're not 'less of a gamer' - but we are very different gamers. Luckily for you, you're style is the future. Fortunately for me - I have a varied set of hobbies, so losing video games to what I feel is trite sensory overload at the expense of substance - really isn't all that depressing.

[tonnactus]

JBurke wrote...

Buy The Witcher 2 instead. Unlike DA2, you get your money's worth. In fact, The Witcher 2 is what DA2 should have been like.

Really? The witcher not only has a predefined race,but also one gender and a fixed protagonist.

How that could been what Da2 should have been like????

[Mr.House]

It's not a bad game, I enjoyed it alot but there is alot of flaws and it lacks polish.

[Drachasor]

The storytelling is poor. There are a handful of decisions you make that have any impact, and none of them big impacts on the story. You are pretty much, as a player, along for the ride. Like Medhia said, that's horrible for an RPG, especially a Bioware RPG. This isn't a matter of the story not being as world-shaking as DA:O, but rather a matter of the player's decisions not making a difference. I don't mind a story that isn't about changing the world, but I do mind an RPG game where I can't impact the story.

Further on the story. Each act is essentially its own story, and there's not a lot linking them together. In a lot of ways this makes DA2 in three short games rather than one long one. There's no cohesive plot tying everything together and the game suffers for it. Also, the ending clearly seems to be rushed.

The combat has lost almost all tactical depth due to the wave mechanics. It is also clearly unpolished and unbalanced, with some skills being far, far better than others. While some elements of the combat are better and it is, in many ways, more responsive, the overall system is clearly not properly tuned and elements on sloppy.

Reusing maps is atrocious and I can't say enough how awful it is. It's just so terrible and unnecessary on so many levels.

It isn't that the game had no promise. The talent system, on a conceptual level at least, is far superior to Origins. The ideas behind the combat system aren't bad (beyond such things like waves); I think being more responsive and quick is a fine thing. The friendship/rivalry system is a nice improvement, imho. Some of the story elements are really good as well (the ancient Thaig and so forth). The problem is none of this has the depth or polish needed. I went over the combat system already. The friendship/rivalry system suffers the least, but the companion relationship is hurting since you can barely talk to them overall (in fact, they talk to my dog as much as they talk to me). The intriguing story elements are never properly explored, leaving many questions at pretty much all stages of the game. Worse, imho, the story isn't very tight in any act, with a lot of filler side quests that don't have much depth and aren't very interesting (some are ok or even good).

Anyhow, if they had worked on the game for another year it probably would have been good. They didn't have the time or resources to do a good job, so what we have really comes down to being adequate or worse. The best thing about the game is easily the voice acting (ok, that's better than adequate).

[Zjarcal]

Davasar wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

JBurke wrote...

In fact, The Witcher 2 is what DA2 should have been like.

Playing a set male protagonist? Thank the maker DA2 wasn't like TW2.

*Sarcasm*  Right, because having ONE more choice (gender) makes a world of difference.  *sarcasm off*

<_<

First off all, you can shove your smiley and sarcasm where the sun don't shine. Second, it does make a difference for those who care about it.