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[Firewolf99]

I'm probably going to be crucified in a BURNING PIT OF FIERY DOOM here, but i actully preferred (?) DA2 to DA:O. People seemed to dislike the story, yet I thought it was actually much cleverer than the standard "Oh yes, lets randomly somehow become a worldsaver again" plot of Origins. I also disagree with peoples opinions on the characters- Obviously, there are charachters I didn't like, and some i didn't really enjoy (Hello, Anders!) but on the whole, I enjoyed all of them. Yes, even Merill.

I will concede that a lot of the NPC's were fairly forgettable- but then again, that's more realistic as well. Hardly anyone is a drunk Jester wearing a tutu.

And the battle system has been decomplicated (ok, definitely not a word), but I felt it was still fluid and smooth. Plus, the graphics engine was better, I preffered the single costume aspect for characters (though unlockable costumes would have been nice) as opposed to the hassle of deciding whether Merrill or Anders should where the armplates of magical buggery (which, incidentally, was one of the most annoying parts of DA2- Accessories. "Oh, is one magic better than 12 Magic/ stamina? Maybe I'm just not cut out for this RPG'ing malarkey)

So, in short, yes you should buy it. But in the end (puts on philisophical cap) you're the only person who can decide whether you enjoyed it.

[Merced652]

Hopefully this rapture just saves all the soapboxes.

[Dragoonlordz]

JohnEpler wrote...

At this point we're not even slightly on-topic.

Let's try and bring this back to DA2, or it's going to get locked.

Fair enough.

Is DA2 really that bad?
= Subjective, imho it certainly is not 'good' and specifically for a Bioware title even more so with the reality of it to me is at best average or only just above average.

Here's the part I get crucified at ~ FF13 is a better RPG than DA2 (sorry more precise description is more entertaining) imho and no I am not a great fan of FF13.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 mai 2011 - 09:59 .

[Cipher1989]

personaly I think FF13 is an abomination for the series. The ONLY thing good about it was the graphic and animation.

[Mrbananagrabber]

My generation played Mortal Kombat and Mario bros while I played Dragon warrior 1 and Eye of the Beholder.

Your point was...?

Modifié par Mrbananagrabber, 21 mai 2011 - 10:09 .

[_Aine_]

Firewolf99 wrote...

I'm probably going to be crucified in a BURNING PIT OF FIERY DOOM here, but i actully preferred (?) DA2 to DA:O. <gently snipped>
So, in short, yes you should buy it. But in the end (puts on philisophical cap) you're the only person who can decide whether you enjoyed it.

Crucified in a burning fiery pit, dramatic. =D  

But you are right, to each their own.   I know people who loved and hated DA2, and more who liked it enough.  All are wonderful, creative bright people with their own interests, likes and dislikes.  *shrug*  That is life.  

I still think that if you liked the demo, you may like the game. They aren't THAT different in the end.  

[MerinTB]

ExaltedReign wrote...

I had managed two play throughs in DA:O, managed to get all the achievements on the 360. I liked the story, the characters. One thing I didn't like was the combat, it felt sluggish and boring. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't bad, it just wasn't my cup of tea.

That's absolutely fair.  Not everyone needs enjoy the same kind of things.

I've played the demo for DA2 about seven times. I really like it. The combat, the dialogue, the characters. I thought it was pretty fun. Maybe *gasp* even more fun than origins. Now, I know it doesn't have all the in-depth story as Origins, but thats okay with me.

It's sounding like you should pick up and "mostly enjoy" DA2 at this point.

Why do people seem to think its suppose to be a sequal to Origins?

The 2 in the title.  Strongly implies sequel.  Also this from the http://dragonage.bioware.com/ - "Experience the epic sequel to the 2009 Game of the Year from the
critically acclaimed makers of Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 2"
Or this  - http://dragonage.bio...m/da2/info/faq/ - "If you import your Origins playthroughs, you will experience the consequences of the choices you made previously."

The stories (I think) have nothing to do with eachother. It should be counted as its own game, not a sequal to origins.

The stories are very much tied together, just different protagonists and antagonists.  BioWare put a "2" in the title and constantly refer to it as a sequel.  That's why everyone thinks it is a sequel... the makers of the game say it is.

I'm planning on getting it tommorow, and people on these forums seem to think I'd be better off getting Hello Kitty: Island Adventures.

If you want to get it, get it.  You may love it.  If you find yourself disagreeing with the points of those who didn't like the game, then those opinions shouldn't hold you back.

I know that my generation (I'm 15) like games that are more action packed and whatnot, but is that a bad thing? Does that make us any less of a gamer?

I don't think the vast majority of people on the forums are going to tell someone their tastes in games or what they enjoy in games is "wrong" (there are a few such people, sure, but they are easily ignored)...
but if you see people disliking a game for reason X, and reason X is not important to you, you can dismiss that a concern for you.
You're not less of "a gamer" if you like FPS, RTS, or adventure games... puzzle or racing or mmo... don't worry about such things.

If you liked the DA2 demo, and you think what you saw in the demo was an improvement on DA:O, and you still mostly enjoyed DA:O, I'd say you probably won't go wrong by buying DA2.

I'd personally give the game a 7 out of 10 for quality.
I also really didn't like it, and I don't find myself wanting a DA3 at all.  But that's because DA2 turned into a game I didn't enjoy and my tastes may well not be yours.

Modifié par MerinTB, 21 mai 2011 - 10:06 .

[ipgd]

Cipher1989 wrote...

Dragon Age 2, as a stand alone game, it's actually pretty decent. But as a sequal to Dragon Age Origins? Not so much.

I think it actually draws a lot of its impact from its role as a sequel to DAO: specifically, the awareness of sequel-pattern expectations. A lot of the dramatic tension is derived from setting you up to expect significant player agency (through the player's familiarity with DAO, and a series of "illusionary" choice options early in the game such as Meeran/Athenril), and then denying it to you (e.g. as with Leandra, the Chantry, etc.) in a way that links the protagonist's in-narrative sense of helplessness to the player's own metagame "frustrations", if you will. Unlike DAO, which consistently offers the player choices that heavily impact the narrative, or at least enforce an illusion thereof, DA2 forgoes the illusion entirely as the game progresses and rubs it directly in your face. By the end, the player is made to empathize with Hawke's powerlessness in a way a purely linear series would not have been able to accomplish.

I think they actually did a fantastic job with the harsh limitations of the deadline and budget constraints. They could have tried to make a straight off Origins clone without the resources to really work -- instead, they constructed a narrative that works with the constraints and almost operates because of them. I definitely hope they're given more time to work in the future, but as a bit of an experimental detour, I think DA2 is wonderful.

Of course, They Changed It Now It Sucks is the prevailing sentiment in all things and I don't imagine people will want to bother making any serious exploratory analyses of this game until a few years have passed and the feeding frenzy dies down.

[KnightofPhoenix]

ipgd wrote...
 but as a bit of an experimental detour, I think DA2 is wonderful.

An experimental detour that costs 60$ (and the fear is that EA is going to keep with the policy of low costs, fast profit).

Not worth it at all in my books (especially since I am not even slighty encouraged to play it a 2nd time). If it was 40 or 30$? Yea, I may consider it decent.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 21 mai 2011 - 10:08 .

[devSin]

ExaltedReign wrote...

Why do people seem to think its suppose to be a sequal to Origins? The stories (I think) have nothing to do with eachother. It should be counted as its own game, not a sequal to origins. Just like WoW and Warcraft 3 should be counted as their own games.

Because it is. There will never be an Origins II. There will never be a "and this one is for the people who like the older, more traditional gameplay elements." BioWare isn't going back.

People aren't complaining that it's a bad sequel. They're complaining that it's a bad CRPG.

Anyway, get the game if you didn't already. It's plenty fun.

[_Aine_]

ipgd wrote...

Cipher1989 wrote...

Dragon Age 2, as a stand alone game, it's actually pretty decent. But as a sequal to Dragon Age Origins? Not so much.

I think it actually draws a lot of its impact from its role as a sequel to DAO: specifically, the awareness of sequel-pattern expectations. A lot of the dramatic tension is derived from setting you up to expect significant player agency (through the player's familiarity with DAO, and a series of "illusionary" choice options early in the game such as Meeran/Athenril), and then denying it to you (e.g. as with Leandra, the Chantry, etc.) in a way that links the protagonist's in-narrative sense of helplessness to the player's own metagame "frustrations", if you will. Unlike DAO, which consistently offers the player choices that heavily impact the narrative, or at least enforce an illusion thereof, DA2 forgoes the illusion entirely as the game progresses and rubs it directly in your face. By the end, the player is made to empathize with Hawke's powerlessness in a way a purely linear series would not have been able to accomplish.

I think they actually did a fantastic job with the harsh limitations of the deadline and budget constraints. They could have tried to make a straight off Origins clone without the resources to really work -- instead, they constructed a narrative that works with the constraints and almost operates because of them. I definitely hope they're given more time to work in the future, but as a bit of an experimental detour, I think DA2 is wonderful.

Of course, They Changed It Now It Sucks is the prevailing sentiment in all things and I don't imagine people will want to bother making any serious exploratory analyses of this game until a few years have passed and the feeding frenzy dies down.

That is a very good way to describe the game actually.    imo.  

[Dragoonlordz]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

At this point we're not even slightly on-topic.

Let's try and bring this back to DA2, or it's going to get locked.

Fair enough.

Is DA2 really that bad?
= Subjective, imho it certainly is not 'good' and specifically for a Bioware title even more so with the reality of it to me is at best average or only just above average.

Here's the part I get crucified at ~ FF13 is a better RPG than DA2 (sorry more precise description is more entertaining) imho and no I am not a great fan of FF13.

FFXIII has a more coherent and entertaining story. However, I don't see how it's RP'ing is superior. Do explain that one, my lord?

~Clarification, both DA2 and FF13 are RPGs my position was based on even FF13 is a more fun RPG.

[Merced652]

ipgd wrote...

Cipher1989 wrote...

Dragon Age 2, as a stand alone game, it's actually pretty decent. But as a sequal to Dragon Age Origins? Not so much.

I think it actually draws a lot of its impact from its role as a sequel to DAO: specifically, the awareness of sequel-pattern expectations. A lot of the dramatic tension is derived from setting you up to expect significant player agency (through the player's familiarity with DAO, and a series of "illusionary" choice options early in the game such as Meeran/Athenril), and then denying it to you (e.g. as with Leandra, the Chantry, etc.) in a way that links the protagonist's in-narrative sense of helplessness to the player's own metagame "frustrations", if you will. Unlike DAO, which consistently offers the player choices that heavily impact the narrative, or at least enforce an illusion thereof, DA2 forgoes the illusion entirely as the game progresses and rubs it directly in your face. By the end, the player is made to empathize with Hawke's powerlessness in a way a purely linear series would not have been able to accomplish.

I think they actually did a fantastic job with the harsh limitations of the deadline and budget constraints. They could have tried to make a straight off Origins clone without the resources to really work -- instead, they constructed a narrative that works with the constraints and almost operates because of them. I definitely hope they're given more time to work in the future, but as a bit of an experimental detour, I think DA2 is wonderful.

Of course, They Changed It Now It Sucks is the prevailing sentiment in all things and I don't imagine people will want to bother making any serious exploratory analyses of this game until a few years have passed and the feeding frenzy dies down.

You're not seriously trying to say that what they did was intentional are you? Oh god, i wonder under what circumstances they'd feel worse. Knowing they were making a ****ty game, or unknowingly. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

shantisands wrote...

 By the end, the player is made to empathize with Hawke's powerlessness.

That is a very good way to describe the game actually.    imo.  

"RISE TO POWER...
BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY"

" The legend of your Rise to Power begins now."

"determine your rise to power"

Mmhmm

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 21 mai 2011 - 10:17 .

[Giggles_Manically]

What?

Bioware's marketing has always been ****.
You are annoyed that once again what they promoted is not what they delivered?

[Alex Kershaw]

I've played Origins and DA2 on PC and got every achievement on both (as well as all the achievements on ME1 and ME2) and Dragon Age II is nowhere near the quality of any of those games. It's shameful that it carries the Dragon Age (or Bioware) name.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

What?

Bioware's marketing has always been ****.
You are annoyed that once again what they promoted is not what they delivered?

When it's the opposite of what they promised, yes. When a key reason as to why I pre-ordered was that *at least* there is going to be a rise to power when there was none, yes.

But I am more annoyed at playing a lazy useless protagonist that I did not empathize with than idiotic marketing.

[_Aine_]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

shantisands wrote...

 By the end, the player is made to empathize with Hawke's powerlessness.

That is a very good way to describe the game actually.    imo.  

"RISE TO POWER...
BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY"

" The legend of your Rise to Power begins now."

"determine your rise to power"

Mmhmm

Well, that wasn't MY snip  the snip as is, is NOT the way I would describe it as it is far too simplistic to be accurate or true. 

What was true, in my opinion, is that they used a build up to deny you - and make you ultimately feel powerless in the world as Hawke.  I personally RAGED at the game the first time I played it because my RL choices seemed inconsequential and irrelevant in the larger scheme of the game. That annoyed me to no end. lol  I said so too.  lol  

But in the end, maybe that is exactly what they wanted, a story that WAS frustrating but that made you feel.  I personally didn't see that I was given many real consequential choices, and that has been one of my lasting criticisms with the story, but that is a preference thing.   I would have prefered to have a lot of options to endings and story choices that had real tangible consequences.    Preference.   They did the story and game as they chose to and we merely remark on our perception and experience with it. 

Still, I think what they did *may* have been what they set out to do ( story wise at least, not game-play wise - for me there is a difference.)     i should have said story, instead of game.  <_<

Modifié par shantisands, 21 mai 2011 - 10:29 .

[Mr.House]

Dragoonlordz wrote...


~Clarification, both DA2 and FF13 are RPGs my position was based on even FF13 is a more fun RPG.

FF13 combat system was like being kicked in the gut, getting your eyes poked and then shot in the arm. It was horrible, painfull and annoying. FF13 was a disgrace, even Lighting played by the awesome Ali Hills could not save that game.