Persephone wrote...
Teddie Sage wrote...
I actually do think they should stop... Unless they make their DLC free.
You are basing this on something as meaningless as DLC? (In comparison.......)
88mphSlayer wrote...
nah now that they're being surpassed by the likes of CDP and perhaps soon Eidos Montreal and have to compete with Skyrim, it'll be more fun to see them try to compete rather than rest on their laurels and tell fans to get over it
i do kinda question how they're going to impress folks with story-based DA2 dlc tho, by the time it comes out a lot of folks will have played The Witcher 2 and be anticipating Deus Ex
can DA2 ever redeem itself or should they abandon it to make DA3 better?
Teddie Sage wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Teddie Sage wrote...
I actually do think they should stop... Unless they make their DLC free.
You are basing this on something as meaningless as DLC? (In comparison.......)
You're already paying for the game. So sure. Why not? As long as it's not an expansion, I don't see the reason of people paying for DLC.
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Zanallen wrote...
The title says it all really.
Upsettingshorts wrote...
Should Zanallen stop writing posts?
Modifié par PurebredCorn, 21 mai 2011 - 03:52 .
Persephone wrote...
88mphSlayer wrote...
nah now that they're being surpassed by the likes of CDP and perhaps soon Eidos Montreal and have to compete with Skyrim, it'll be more fun to see them try to compete rather than rest on their laurels and tell fans to get over it
i do kinda question how they're going to impress folks with story-based DA2 dlc tho, by the time it comes out a lot of folks will have played The Witcher 2 and be anticipating Deus Ex
can DA2 ever redeem itself or should they abandon it to make DA3 better?
Well, IMO it needs no redemption, though I would welcome story based/game mechanics improvements/additions A LOT.
True. It's hilarious how BioWare is actually charging for DLC comparable to horse armor when CD Projekt RED is giving it out for free. It's like they're not even trying to compete. It's like they think they're too good for it.88mphSlayer wrote...
the problem is that games don't exist in a vacuum, so yes gamers will compare dlc for DA2 to TW2 or Deus Ex or Skyrim or whatever else they're also playing
Modifié par Marionetten, 21 mai 2011 - 04:16 .
Modifié par Ringo12, 21 mai 2011 - 04:18 .
Marionetten wrote...
I'm sure that EA will dismantle BioWare soon enough if they continue making inferior products. Just look at what happened to Mythic when they couldn't deliver with their supposed World of WarCraft slayer. Poor Marc Jacobs. Then EA will buy up yet another promising developer, force inane time constraints on them and wonder why they couldn't deliver. And so the vicious cycle will continue on and on.
EA has been doing this for decades. Bullfrog, Westwood, Mythic and now BioWare. The funny thing is that people still manage to get surprised when that final nail strikes the coffin. While I'd love to see a different outcome I know what to expect.True. It's hilarious how BioWare is actually charging for DLC comparable to horse armor when CD Projekt RED is giving it out for free. It's like they're not even trying to compete. It's like they think they're too good for it.88mphSlayer wrote...
the problem is that games don't exist in a vacuum, so yes gamers will compare dlc for DA2 to TW2 or Deus Ex or Skyrim or whatever else they're also playing
Modifié par Persephone, 21 mai 2011 - 04:47 .
Alistairlover94 wrote...
What AFW said.
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Persephone wrote...
Alistairlover94 wrote...
What AFW said.
Seconded. I may disagree with both of you re: DAII but this is SPOT ON. And can I just ask.........why can't we all just GET ALONG? DAO fans, DAII fans, Witcher fans, TES fans.......if we worked together in showing Bioware what we'd love to see, we'd be a force to be reckoned with, rather than a divided fanbase slaughtering each other verbally.
Alistairlover94 wrote...
Because that's not how things work around here! You're either with us, or against us!
Archaven wrote...
It don't take a kid to realize that Bioware fanboy are trolling and fanning fire. Real fail duh.
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Deathwurm wrote...
Alistairlover94 wrote...
Because that's not how things work around here! You're either with us, or against us!
Stop stealing Lines from George W Bush!
What's next? "Mission Accomplished?"
Archaven wrote...
Why can't we all get along? Why are we fighting amongst each other? Are we not here to discuss and share great stories about our games be it DAO, DA2 or TW2?
Persephone wrote...
Marionetten wrote...
I'm sure that EA will dismantle BioWare soon enough if they continue making inferior products. Just look at what happened to Mythic when they couldn't deliver with their supposed World of WarCraft slayer. Poor Marc Jacobs. Then EA will buy up yet another promising developer, force inane time constraints on them and wonder why they couldn't deliver. And so the vicious cycle will continue on and on.
EA has been doing this for decades. Bullfrog, Westwood, Mythic and now BioWare. The funny thing is that people still manage to get surprised when that final nail strikes the coffin. While I'd love to see a different outcome I know what to expect.True. It's hilarious how BioWare is actually charging for DLC comparable to horse armor when CD Projekt RED is giving it out for free. It's like they're not even trying to compete. It's like they think they're too good for it.88mphSlayer wrote...
the problem is that games don't exist in a vacuum, so yes gamers will compare dlc for DA2 to TW2 or Deus Ex or Skyrim or whatever else they're also playing
Well, I'm glad I don't share that pessimistic outlook.
And I'd CDPR's doing this as a marketing ploy (Their aim and target are pretty clear) as much as to please the fans. And I'd never presume to think that I know Bioware's motivations, given how I've never been invited to a single meeting.........
Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 21 mai 2011 - 04:55 .
88mphSlayer wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Marionetten wrote...
I'm sure that EA will dismantle BioWare soon enough if they continue making inferior products. Just look at what happened to Mythic when they couldn't deliver with their supposed World of WarCraft slayer. Poor Marc Jacobs. Then EA will buy up yet another promising developer, force inane time constraints on them and wonder why they couldn't deliver. And so the vicious cycle will continue on and on.
EA has been doing this for decades. Bullfrog, Westwood, Mythic and now BioWare. The funny thing is that people still manage to get surprised when that final nail strikes the coffin. While I'd love to see a different outcome I know what to expect.True. It's hilarious how BioWare is actually charging for DLC comparable to horse armor when CD Projekt RED is giving it out for free. It's like they're not even trying to compete. It's like they think they're too good for it.88mphSlayer wrote...
the problem is that games don't exist in a vacuum, so yes gamers will compare dlc for DA2 to TW2 or Deus Ex or Skyrim or whatever else they're also playing
Well, I'm glad I don't share that pessimistic outlook.
And I'd CDPR's doing this as a marketing ploy (Their aim and target are pretty clear) as much as to please the fans. And I'd never presume to think that I know Bioware's motivations, given how I've never been invited to a single meeting.........
the problem i raised was a question about how much Bioware can really push the DA2 engine and assets to compete with what people feel is the new standard for quality
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Persephone wrote...
Alistairlover94 wrote...
What AFW said.
Seconded. I may disagree with both of you re: DAII but this is SPOT ON. And can I just ask.........why can't we all just GET ALONG? DAO fans, DAII fans, Witcher fans, TES fans.......if we worked together in showing Bioware what we'd love to see, we'd be a force to be reckoned with, rather than a divided fanbase slaughtering each other verbally.
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Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 21 mai 2011 - 05:03 .
AngryFrozenWater wrote...
To the OP:
DA2 has its flaws. No doubt. But a company has to experiment for its products to evolve and for the sales to improve. Some projects work out better than others. Instead of bashing them I try to give feedback in the hope that the next product will be better. In the past BW has stated that they want and use that feedback. Because I usually love their games I'll do the best I can. And sometimes I fail and get annoyed. I know. Lately I am getting a bit disillusioned by their public responses to this. And I certainly don't like the promises that BW doesn't keep. Especially when it concerns DA. Which makes it hard to continue what I think is right.
To be honest, I didn't like some aspects of ME2 either. But I have the feeling that ME3 is on the right track again. And I have invested a lot of time in that franchise. Lots of playthroughs. That's why I want to follow the trilogy to the end.
Do I know what's best? Do I have all the answers? Probably not. I'll just give it my best shot.
:wizard:
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