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[AngryFrozenWater]

Persephone wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

What AFW said.

Seconded. I may disagree with both of you re: DAII but this is SPOT ON. And can I just ask.........why can't we all just GET ALONG? DAO fans, DAII fans, Witcher fans, TES fans.......if we worked together in showing Bioware what we'd love to see, we'd be a force to be reckoned with, rather than a divided fanbase slaughtering each other verbally.

I think that a lot of people aren't aware that discussions are not about winning them. I also think that a lot of people believe that if one doesn't like aspect X of a product that he or she doesn't like the entire product. Both are silly, but they are the root cause of flame wars.

Some discussions don't even make sense. If you don't like blue and I happen to like red then why in Thedas should I want to convince you?

I happen to like meaningful choices in my games. Especially when the creators advertise that as a feature. So, I post about it when it doesn't deliver that. But I also like Metro 2033. It has no choices at all. Yet I think it is a great game. But the only thing that its creators promised was that they wanted to stay close to the book on which it was based. So, posting about the lack of choices for that game is what can be considered as complaining. It is meaningless.

There are threads out there that I don't even open. Any thread with the word "hate" in its title isn't worth my time - whether it is to express liking or disliking the game doesn't matter. Chances are that the thread will defend a point of view based on what I have written above.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 21 mai 2011 - 05:05 .

[MorrigansLove]

Magnificent bit of trolling to rile up BSN for some epic nerd rage.

[Magic Zarim]

Oh, as for "shooter meets RPG"? I guess EA hadn't been looking around well enough, at the time Tabula Rasa was released with grandeur, designed by none other than Richard Garriot, a.k.a Lord British from Ultima Online. It tanked. While inovative, it proved F/TPS shooters don't work well with stat and turn based gameplay.

[Persephone]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

What AFW said.

Seconded. I may disagree with both of you re: DAII but this is SPOT ON. And can I just ask.........why can't we all just GET ALONG? DAO fans, DAII fans, Witcher fans, TES fans.......if we worked together in showing Bioware what we'd love to see, we'd be a force to be reckoned with, rather than a divided fanbase slaughtering each other verbally.

I think that a lot of people aren't aware that discussions are not about winning them. I also think that a lot of people believe that if one doesn't like aspect X of a product that he or she doesn't like the entire product. Both are silly, but they are the root cause of flame wars.

Some discussions don't even make sense. If you don't like blue and I happen to like red then why in Thedas should I want to convince you?

I happen to like meaningful choices in my games. Especially when the creators advertise that as a feature. So, I post about it when it doesn't deliver that. But I also like Metro 2033. It has no choices at all. Yet I think it is a great game. But the only thing that its creators promised was that they wanted to stay close to the book on which it was based. So, posting about the lack of choices for that game is what can be considered as complaining. It is meaningless.

There are threads out there that I don't even open. Any thread with the word "hate" in its title isn't worth my time - whether it is to express liking or disliking the game doesn't matter. Chances are that the thread will defend a point of view based on what I have written above.

I knew I liked you for a reason. SPOT ON. I couldn't agree more.

[Teddie Sage]

Persephone wrote...

Well, then don't. Nobody is forcing you to. I am glad I got Return to Ostagar, Warden's Keep, LOTSB, Overlord.......

I actually consider them to be mini-expansions so I pay for them. But I won't pay for Item DLCs, unless they're not mission material or story related. Paying for items dlc is just... weird.

[_Aine_]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

What AFW said.

Seconded. I may disagree with both of you re: DAII but this is SPOT ON. And can I just ask.........why can't we all just GET ALONG? DAO fans, DAII fans, Witcher fans, TES fans.......if we worked together in showing Bioware what we'd love to see, we'd be a force to be reckoned with, rather than a divided fanbase slaughtering each other verbally.

I think that a lot of people aren't aware that discussions are not about winning them. I also think that a lot of people believe that if one doesn't like aspect X of a product that he or she doesn't like the entire product. Both are silly, but they are the root cause of flame wars.

Some discussions don't even make sense. If you don't like blue and I happen to like red then why in Thedas should I want to convince you?

I happen to like meaningful choices in my games. Especially when the creators advertise that as a feature. So, I post about it when it doesn't deliver that. But I also like Metro 2033. It has no choices at all. Yet I think it is a great game. But the only thing that its creators promised was that they wanted to stay close to the book on which it was based. So, posting about the lack of choices for that game is what can be considered as complaining. It is meaningless.

There are threads out there that I don't even open. Any thread with the word "hate" in its title isn't worth my time - whether it is to express liking or disliking the game doesn't matter. Chances are that the thread will defend a point of view based on what I have written above.

I knew I liked you for a reason. SPOT ON. I couldn't agree more.

*nods head in agreement*

Totally agree.  100%. 

[Persephone]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Well, then don't. Nobody is forcing you to. I am glad I got Return to Ostagar, Warden's Keep, LOTSB, Overlord.......

I actually consider them to be mini-expansions so I pay for them. But I won't pay for Item DLCs, unless they're not mission material or story related. Paying for items dlc is just... weird.

This I agree with. I did NOT buy the DAII item DLC either. That's what mods are for.

[Archaven]

I have no idea but i have this feeling that people that brought up this kind of topic is not actually a witcher 2 nor a CDPR fan. i hope i'm mistaken.

[Tommy6860]

Just to add to the OP, Bioware never broke away from BI, BI was just a publisher for their BG series (actually BI published BG and Interplay which owned BI, pub'd BG2). Bioware shared resources not only with CDPK, but also with BI (Bioware licensed the Infinity engine to BI so that BI could make PS:T).

Your consolizing remarks doesn't hold water since consoles have always had the larger market share of games than PCs ever have, even going back to the Magnavox Odyssey. It only makes sense to tap into that market.

[88mphSlayer]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

No, absolutely not!

What, we haven't all screwed something up at some point? One bad game and suddenly one of the greatest development shops on the planet should hang up their keyboards and go work the land?

What a ridiculous notion.

I do think they should try not to steamroller right through their own designers, QC and fans, but they may disagree (or even have no choice). Time will tell on that score, but for crying out loud you can't write people off because they fail once.

Imagine if we'd all done that because of the official NWN package when it went gold?!

i think it's entirely natural, there was a gross miscommunication between Bioware and fans between the time that Dragon Age 2 got announced and the demo was released, everytime fans might get skeptical their fears were put to rest by the devs themselves

when the demo finally came out and all of those fears were there in plain view it was sort of like all of those fears were legitimate, what the fans learned from that was that being skeptical was in fact the right thing to do, the full game just cemented this sentiment

that since then people have been skeptical not only about Dragon Age in general but also now SWTOR and Mass Effect 3 is totally natural and a legitimate route to take for forum goers seeking to give feedback - afterall that is what this forum is really for - it's not here to be a vacuum chamber

so sure, people might go really far and bring up Bioware as a whole

same goes for why forum goers feel like knocking Bioware over the head with The Witcher 2, it's a game that did exactly what CDP promised and in doing so makes Dragon Age 2 look ridiculous, in this way TW2 has moved from being just a game to being a kind of avatar for what people want Dragon Age 3 to emulate so yeah they beat everybody over the head with it

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 21 mai 2011 - 05:38 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

We want a reform in Bioware ... inspired by Martin Luther!

[Gotholhorakh]

Well I for one do not want future BioWare fantasy RPGs to emulate TW2.

Quality-wise, yes, but I am looking for tactical party-based RPGs from BioWare in this family of products.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 21 mai 2011 - 06:32 .

[Marionetten]

Garbage Master wrote...

We want a reform in Bioware ... inspired by Martin Luther!

You'd need more than doctor King to fight the influence of EA. Maybe Jack Bauer, Chuck Norris and Bear Grylls combined?

[Gotholhorakh]

Marionetten wrote...

Garbage Master wrote...

We want a reform in Bioware ... inspired by Martin Luther!

You'd need more than doctor King to fight the influence of EA. Maybe Jack Bauer, Chuck Norris and Bear Grylls combined?

The Martin Luther who initiated the Reformation was not Dr King, but the man I guess he was probably named after

http://en.wikipedia....i/Martin_Luther

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 21 mai 2011 - 06:49 .

[Zanallen]

Wow, this took on a life of its own. I suppose I should continue...

Now, how am I the bad guy here? Am I not within my rights to demand perfection from Bioware? And their constant failures just prove that they don't have it within them. It seems obvious to me that they can't compete in today's game market and they should just reel it in. I mean, after a while doesn't it just get sad? There are only so many times you can root for the Washington Generals before you just have to accept that they can't beat the Globetrotters.

[naughty99]

Zanallen wrote...

The title says it all really.

Bioware has been making an unforgiveable series of snafus over the last few years. Most recently there is the putrid abomination that is Dragon Age 2. Before that was the dumbing down of the Mass Effect series for ME2, along with tossing realism and continuity out the window. Then there is that horrible Sonic the Hedgehog crap. What was the point of that? And what possessed them to allow CDPR to use the Aurora Engine for the Witcher? I bet they are regretting that decision right now. These screw ups all date back to Bioware's decision to consolize their projects starting with KotOR and the Jade Empire games. Bioware should have just stuck with Baldur's Gate...Heck, they never should have broken away from Black Isle. Bioware should just disband and stop making games altogether. Preferably before ME3 is released and they ruin another IP. What do you all think?

DA2 had only 2 problems IMO

1 - poorly executed fetch quests 
2 - 90% of loot was turned into worthless junk 

Other than that, I loved the game. Look forward to the first DLC expansion.

[chunkyman]

Zanallen wrote...

Wow, this took on a life of its own. I suppose I should continue...

Now, how am I the bad guy here? Am I not within my rights to demand perfection from Bioware? And their constant failures just prove that they don't have it within them. It seems obvious to me that they can't compete in today's game market and they should just reel it in. I mean, after a while doesn't it just get sad? There are only so many times you can root for the Washington Generals before you just have to accept that they can't beat the Globetrotters.

 You aren't the bad guy here, but your suggestion that Bioware should stop making games is absurd and mindless. You are perfectly in your right to "demand" anything, but suggestions like this are obviously going to be met with facepalms and anger. That's like saying Ford should have simply stopped making cars because of the Pinto, or bio-chemists should stop making new medicines after an ineffective medication, or Coca-Cola should have quit after "New Coke".

Look up how to give constructive criticism, instead of saying things that give the Devs no idea what to improve upon. Support your arguments with thoroughly explained points and be reasonable, so in future posts you will receive less hostility.

[Marionetten]

Zanallen wrote...

Wow, this took on a life of its own. I suppose I should continue...

Now, how am I the bad guy here? Am I not within my rights to demand perfection from Bioware? And their constant failures just prove that they don't have it within them. It seems obvious to me that they can't compete in today's game market and they should just reel it in. I mean, after a while doesn't it just get sad? There are only so many times you can root for the Washington Generals before you just have to accept that they can't beat the Globetrotters.

I wouldn't write off the possibility of a comeback just yet. While I do admit that Dragon Age II was an absolute disaster they can still redeem themselves if EA allows it. They've made some of the very best RPGs over the years and I don't think that fact should be neglected. Everybody makes mistakes and that's exactly what I view Dragon Age II as.

As long as they come back strong with Dragon Age III I for one will be more than happy to support them. If they don't... well, then I might have to consider adopting your stance on the matter but until then I will continue to hope that EA has enough sense to give them the time they need this time around with lessons learned and all. That said, I certainly won't be surprised if they don't.

[ianmcdonald]

Zanallen wrote...

Wow, this took on a life of its own. I suppose I should continue...

Now, how am I the bad guy here? Am I not within my rights to demand perfection from Bioware? And their constant failures just prove that they don't have it within them. It seems obvious to me that they can't compete in today's game market and they should just reel it in. I mean, after a while doesn't it just get sad? There are only so many times you can root for the Washington Generals before you just have to accept that they can't beat the Globetrotters.

Bioware's countless positive reviews and industry awards would like a word with you.

[Vanaer]

Yes they should stop producing games. Dragon Age II has made them lose their right to produce game. General Motors has lost the right to produce cars as well, as well as Toyota and Mitsubishi... hey and Ford, Dodge and Chevrolet too. Damn those car manufacturers! How dare they deliver something of lower value than I expected it to be!

Zanallen, you're an un-American communist - people are free to sell the stuff they want to make and you're free to ignore it. Don't like, don't buy it. 

You don't get to demand anything. You can forward your complaints to BioWare, if they're smart they use the feedback to produce something better. If they're not smart, they ignore it and maybe they'll deliver a sub optimal product. In the first case you will probably buy the game and in the second case  you don't. If it happens en masse, BioWare will have to change things. 

Modifié par Vanaer, 21 mai 2011 - 08:44 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

He is more like a Faschist than a Communist!

[Faust1979]

If Bioware stopped making games then I wouldn't have any reason to keep playing games. They put out the only games on the Xbox 360 that I look forward to right now

[LTD]

Hahaha.. the level of butthurt on these forums is approaching critical mass at times. Obviously I too
dislike many things in DA II like any good self respecting citizen  should. However, come the F on. Bioware too are allowed to release one mediocre game every once in  a while:p 
 
 -  Spamming and harming two of their main franchises with complete and utter rip off DLCs. 
 - DA II 
That doesn't really make a very long list of sins imo:p Might be an idea to try and keep from unleashing all the nerd rage and reversed fanboi-ism for few more years/titles? 
 
You can call Mass Effect II dumbed down if you insist  but it is still pretty undeniably an excellent game. 

Modifié par LTD, 21 mai 2011 - 10:15 .