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[Maria13]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

The fact remains whoever did the import on Alistair, Zevran, and Teagan did a ****** poor job on these characters.  So the idea that tweeks from the new engine just doesn't hold water when you see what a great job was done on the other returning characters.  It was ****** poor work.  The developers can like it or lump it.  This is a well known fact.  The fanbase is calling them out on their shoddy work. 

I appreciate the return of old characters and love seeing them, I don't except them to look worse.  I'm paying my money to see them - to see a returning character look worse without an explanation is lame.

Wholeheartedly agree, they went to all sorts of lengths in DA:O to put together characters that were both expressive and good looking and then in DA2 they just threw this all away as if they couldn't be bothered.  One wonders whether it has anything to do with most of these character's fans being female (and hence easily dismissed as disposable fangirls). As you noted they took an extraordinary amount of care over Leliana's appearance...

[Pasquale1234]

XxDeonxX wrote...

macrocarl wrote...

Yeah I like that we got a sense people knew where the Warden was at that point.

Really? I hated that.. Since it messed up the timeline bad.

How so?

The Blight, DAA, etc. were completed by the start of the First Act in DA2 (while Hawke was doing the year of servitude).

The King Alistair cameo occurs in Act 3, roughly 7 years post-blight.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Maria13 wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

The fact remains whoever did the import on Alistair, Zevran, and Teagan did a ****** poor job on these characters.  So the idea that tweeks from the new engine just doesn't hold water when you see what a great job was done on the other returning characters.  It was ****** poor work.  The developers can like it or lump it.  This is a well known fact.  The fanbase is calling them out on their shoddy work. 

I appreciate the return of old characters and love seeing them, I don't except them to look worse.  I'm paying my money to see them - to see a returning character look worse without an explanation is lame.

Wholeheartedly agree, they went to all sorts of lengths in DA:O to put together characters that were both expressive and good looking and then in DA2 they just threw this all away as if they couldn't be bothered.  One wonders whether it has anything to do with most of these character's fans being female (and hence easily dismissed as disposable fangirls). As you noted they took an extraordinary amount of care over Leliana's appearance...

I've stated in other threads the only possible explanation for Alistair's sudden displeasing appearance could be plot driven due to the taint. 

I also had the same thought it could have been they want the fangirls of Alistair and Zervan to stuff it and mount it as Aveline would say! Not very smart on their part since fangirls pay for video games too!

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

shantisands wrote...

Cullen looks better than fine. Much,much better than fine.

Teagan and Alistair... well, I knew who they were supposed to be. Attractive? Not really, but recognizable, certainly.

Zevran.....

I console myself by saying he was simply difficult to create without losing the new-elf appearance. Still, that was the one where I really did silently sob a little inside. Of course, Alistair was a drunk in mine - that kind of damage to your liver does have its effects on your appearance.

Still, I recognized him. They were fun to find in my game and I appreciated the work they did to include some cameos for the old fans.

Anders new look....well, I changed it often, then went back to the new look with the old hair. It suited the new anders fine.

I agree, Cullen is hot, no doubt about it.  If I was employed at the Blooming Rose I would have sleep with him and probably paid him for the opportunity and told him anything he wanted to know. 

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 28 mai 2011 - 09:57 .

[_Aine_]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

I agree, Cullen is hot, no doubt about it.  If I was employeed at the Blooming Rose I would have sleep with him and probably paid him for the opportunity and told him anything he wanted to know. 

lol

*Mage Hawke: abandoning magic and dignity, sashaying tippsily up to Cullen*   "Templars? Why YES, I DO love Templars!  Magic is highly over-rated, prossibly dangerous and more pobably a blight upon the earth! *hic* So, drinks later?  "  /subtlety-fail 

Jokes aside:  I'm with ya.  Dignity can be found again in the joy of other things, yes? Magic can also be found in other things, if one looks hard enough.    

Modifié par shantisands, 24 mai 2011 - 06:42 .

[Augustei]

Pasquale1234 wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

macrocarl wrote...

Yeah I like that we got a sense people knew where the Warden was at that point.

Really? I hated that.. Since it messed up the timeline bad.

How so?

The Blight, DAA, etc. were completed by the start of the First Act in DA2 (while Hawke was doing the year of servitude).

The King Alistair cameo occurs in Act 3, roughly 7 years post-blight.

Witch hunt takes place 2 years after the blight as it says in biowares advertising, in the game and I think on its cover as well. So A warden that goes through the Eluvian with Morrigan would be gone 4-5 years before King Alistair goes to Kirkwall - And yet Teagan says that The Hero of Ferelden - Our Warden is in Denerim?

[Asch Lavigne]

The timelines are all messed up, don't try and make sense of it. For example, how is Anders in Kirkwall in Act 1 which takes place just after the Blight ends, he should be in Amaranthine at that time. And lets not forget that depending on what happened to Justice at the end of Awakening he hangs around in Kristoff's body for a while after. Oh yeah, then there's the whole rewriting Anders and making him a Warden regardless of what you did to him in Awakening. Plus they make it sound like Justice jumps right into Anders, which he doesn't.

Personally I hated the Zevran cameo most because they didn't even mention why the Crows were after him other than a line about wanting to be free from them. He says nothing about the Warden whatsoever. Hawke has no reason to let him go free.

[GSSAGE7]

Asch Lavigne wrote...
Personally I hated the Zevran cameo most because they didn't even mention why the Crows were after him other than a line about wanting to be free from them. He says nothing about the Warden whatsoever. Hawke has no reason to let him go free.

Zevran mentioned multiple times in Origins that the Crows would go after him. Hell, talking to him at the coronation has him mention that the crows are eventually going to find out he's still alive.
As for why Zevran didn't tell Hawke any of it, maybe he just didn't want to? Hawke can turn Zevran in, but Nancio just tries to kill them both anyway, with Zevran saying "I told you they would"

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...
Personally I hated the Zevran cameo most because they didn't even mention why the Crows were after him other than a line about wanting to be free from them. He says nothing about the Warden whatsoever. Hawke has no reason to let him go free.

Zevran mentioned multiple times in Origins that the Crows would go after him. Hell, talking to him at the coronation has him mention that the crows are eventually going to find out he's still alive.
As for why Zevran didn't tell Hawke any of it, maybe he just didn't want to? Hawke can turn Zevran in, but Nancio just tries to kill them both anyway, with Zevran saying "I told you they would"

A player in DA2 does have the option to find out from Zevran that he did travel with the Hero of Ferelden before you go to the crow camp site.  When you first run into Zevran in the cave.  Since Hawke is from Ferelden and Zevran helped the warden save my country I'll never kill him for that reason alone.

[LobselVith8]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Witch hunt takes place 2 years after the blight as it says in biowares advertising, in the game and I think on its cover as well. So A warden that goes through the Eluvian with Morrigan would be gone 4-5 years before King Alistair goes to Kirkwall - And yet Teagan says that The Hero of Ferelden - Our Warden is in Denerim?

The Hero of Ferelden could have come back with Morrigan and his progeny from the Eluvian. I wonder how Morrigan would react to a mage being in command over an entire arling. I'd imagine his influence is why there's no reference to templars putting a bounty on her (like there is with the Orlesian Warden WH storyline).

I admit there are problems with the timeline. There's an issue with the timeline when it comes to Oghren's baby with Felsi being born in the span of six months, Anders and Justice meeting if Anders was never recruited and Justice was killed in the Dragonbone Wastes, and Anders showing up in Kirkwall a year after the Blight when he's supposed to be meeting the Hero of Ferelden (or the Orlesian Warden-Commander) in Amaranthine a year after the Blight.

[tmp7704]

David Gaider wrote...

Possibly she was trying too hard to get the face morph to look as close as it possibly could, even though the system wasn't designed to make faces much like Origins', and should have known that even the slightest difference would be picked apart and declared hideous. So she probably needn't have tried as hard as she did.

I thought it looked fine.

In Alistair's case it doesn't seem as much the morph quality, but rather whatever you guys have done to your rendering engine, specifically to how it draws characters' faces. It's the same thing that made people complain about Sebastian's appearance in his trailer etc -- things seem to fall apart and look really bad and flat when there's no decent lighting in the scene (like, just the ambient light especially if there's large shadows cast over the whole thing)

For Alistair these changes hit twice as hard because people have actually seen his character rendered by DAO version of the engine and in much better lighting than in these spots where he gets his DA2 cameos, so the deterioration in quality (in these conditions) is far more obvious.

Pity the designer's effort got wasted like that, but she has only the person who decided about placement of these particular cutscenes --and no doubt thought it all looked fine there, too-- to thank for it.

Modifié par tmp7704, 24 mai 2011 - 10:12 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Well Oghren could have sleep with Felsi anytime after doing his quest to find her in DAO. How many times do you run in and out of Lake Calenhad in DAO?  Maybe development is only six months in having a child.  This is Thedas after all.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 24 mai 2011 - 10:45 .

[Asch Lavigne]

As for the Witch Hunt timeframe and how can Alistair mention my Warden being in Denerim if they went through the Eluvian thing, Bioware has said repeatedly that there are no flags from Witch Hunt so I guess they're operating on the assumption that the Warden is still hanging around. Although my Warden, once the Blight was done, would say "screw you my job is over, no more darkspawn, goodbye and leave me alone."

[Abispa]

Three words: AWESOME... "SWOOPING"... JOKE...

*pause*

*face-palm*

[TEWR]

But Teagan? Teagan looks nothing like he did in the first one. His hair's a different color, his personality is jokey, and I honestly would have thought he was just a new adviser to the King had Alistair not introduced him as his uncle...sort of.

Teagan looks nothing like Teagan and sounds nothing like Teagan, he fared the worst

Teagan's voice and personality are the same. He does joke around in Origins if you ask to get to know him better. When you say you have to go, he makes a joke saying "Good at least my secrets are safe." with a slight chuckle.

His looks though are an abomination. Even an abomination that's gone all meatball flesh sack would call his new look an abomination. And that's when you know it's bad

[TEWR]

double post. I'm getting tired of the BSN constantly logging me out....

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 25 mai 2011 - 09:12 .

[Arrtis]

He was there.
Because they decided it.

[Bryy_Miller]

Arrtis wrote...

He was there.
Because they decided it.

I read this with a Ron Swanson voice in my hed. It made it epic.

[UrsulaCousland]

David Gaider wrote...

Beerfish wrote...
A TON of fereldans went to kirkwall and he is checking up on his people hoping they will return. There are many reasons he could be there. Use your friggin imaginations, this is an rpg, it's all about you deciding why things happen.

Or it could have been that he was hoping to find an ally in Kirkwall, like he said.

(Sorry, very late to the party...)

Hmm...now why would he need THAT, I wonder?  (hopeful plug for DLC? )

[Demon Velsper]

When I saw that scene all I was thinking was: "What happened to not shoe-horning people in?"

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

double post. I'm getting tired of the BSN constantly logging me out....

This is happening to me too, so thanks for posting this and letting me know I'm not the only one having this problem.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

LobselVith8 wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Witch hunt takes place 2 years after the blight as it says in biowares advertising, in the game and I think on its cover as well. So A warden that goes through the Eluvian with Morrigan would be gone 4-5 years before King Alistair goes to Kirkwall - And yet Teagan says that The Hero of Ferelden - Our Warden is in Denerim?

The Hero of Ferelden could have come back with Morrigan and his progeny from the Eluvian. I wonder how Morrigan would react to a mage being in command over an entire arling. I'd imagine his influence is why there's no reference to templars putting a bounty on her (like there is with the Orlesian Warden WH storyline).

I admit there are problems with the timeline. There's an issue with the timeline when it comes to Oghren's baby with Felsi being born in the span of six months, Anders and Justice meeting if Anders was never recruited and Justice was killed in the Dragonbone Wastes, and Anders showing up in Kirkwall a year after the Blight when he's supposed to be meeting the Hero of Ferelden (or the Orlesian Warden-Commander) in Amaranthine a year after the Blight.

Ok, I would love to see this and hear what Morrigan has to say on the issue.  In my case Morrigan has  Alistair's progeny, since my canon play is the Human Noble Female who marries Alistair.  Well I don't see  the wardens that she saves in the game calling for a bounty on her head since she did save their lives if a player goes the DR route.  I've never played the US ending yet from Origins.  So the Orlesian puts a bounty on her head?  Hmmm, that is interesting.  Why would the wardens do this unless Alistair is king and he knew about the offer which the Hero of Ferelden refused if your warden is dead. 

I'm beginning to wonder if the reason for the timeline to be off is if the developers might spring some type of time travel into the plot.  I got this impression when we first meet Flemeth and what she says to Hawke with the line "Will your King not miss you?"  Uh, which King was Flemeth referring too?  Cailan or Alistair?   The very first time I played the game I was like....why did Flemeth say that?  I just chalked it off well it's Flemeth.  

Cailan is susposed to be dead at this point.  Unless you fled Ostagar before the final battle and head to Lothering to save your family.  Yet Aveline knows that Loghain withdrew his troops.  Hawke doesn't comment he saw Loghain's withdrawal at no time during the game.  Except having the option it was sad to leave Lothering that way.  Hmmm, sounds like something my warden would say.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 28 mai 2011 - 10:16 .

[Augustei]

Tbh I dont think Morrigan would care about mage influence in Amaranthine, I mean she doesn't care about the plight of the mages anyway, She supported Annulling the circle in Ferelden, She probably would have supported annulling the Kirkwall circle as well - Shes like Bhelen, No Morales - More Logistics. For example killing a bunch of innocent mages could have prevented an uprising which makes sense.

[Augustei]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Witch hunt takes place 2 years after the blight as it says in biowares advertising, in the game and I think on its cover as well. So A warden that goes through the Eluvian with Morrigan would be gone 4-5 years before King Alistair goes to Kirkwall - And yet Teagan says that The Hero of Ferelden - Our Warden is in Denerim?

The Hero of Ferelden could have come back with Morrigan and his progeny from the Eluvian. I wonder how Morrigan would react to a mage being in command over an entire arling. I'd imagine his influence is why there's no reference to templars putting a bounty on her (like there is with the Orlesian Warden WH storyline).

I admit there are problems with the timeline. There's an issue with the timeline when it comes to Oghren's baby with Felsi being born in the span of six months, Anders and Justice meeting if Anders was never recruited and Justice was killed in the Dragonbone Wastes, and Anders showing up in Kirkwall a year after the Blight when he's supposed to be meeting the Hero of Ferelden (or the Orlesian Warden-Commander) in Amaranthine a year after the Blight.

Ok, I would love to see this and hear what Morrigan has to say on the issue.  In my case Morrigan has  Alistair's progeny, since my canon play is the Human Noble Female who marries Alistair.  Well I don't see  the wardens that she saves in the game calling for a bounty on her head since she did save their lives if a player goes the DR route.  I've never played the US ending yet from Origins.  So the Orlesian puts a bounty on her head?  Hmmm, that is interesting.  Why would the wardens do this unless Alistair is king and he knew about the offer which the Hero of Ferelden refused if your warden is dead. 

I'm beginning to wonder if the reason for the timeline to be off is if the developers might spring some type of time travel into the plot.  I got this impression when we first meet Flemeth and what she says to Hawke with the line "Will your King not miss you?"  Uh, which King was Flemeth referring too?  Cailan or Alistair?   The very first time I played the game I was like....why did Flemeth say that?  I just chalked it off well it's Flemeth.  

Cailan is susposed to be dead at this point.  Unless you fled Ostagar before the final battle and head to Lothering to save your family.  Yet Aveline knows that Loghain withdrew his troops.  Hawke doesn't comment he saw Loghain's withdrawal at no time during the game.  Except having the option it was sad to leave Lothering that way.  Hmmm, sounds like something my warden would say.

The Wardens dont put a bounty on Morrigans head, the Chantry does. I believe Lob was suggesting that The Warden from Origins who became hero of fereldan and arl of amaranthine used his influance to ensure no bounty was made since she was under Warden Protection and helped stop a blight etc.

Whereas if he died and an Orlesian Commander of the Grey is in place he's never met Morrigan and so he isn't going to really do anything for her or use his influence to protect her. So a bounty is placed on her head and the Orlesian Warden sees it in the Wardens interests to obtain info from her or something

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Tbh I dont think Morrigan would care about mage influence in Amaranthine, I mean she doesn't care about the plight of the mages anyway, She supported Annulling the circle in Ferelden, She probably would have supported annulling the Kirkwall circle as well - Shes like Bhelen, No Morales - More Logistics. For example killing a bunch of innocent mages could have prevented an uprising which makes sense.

Where the Chantry is involved she does care.  She is considered by the Chantry to be an apostate so I'm sure the plight of the mages in Kirkwall would be of great interest to her.  I'm positive she'd have something to say on the issue and which decision on who Hawke supports.  She hated Alistair for being a former templar.  

The only reason she agreed with the annulment for the Circle of Ferelden is because those mages didn't fight for their freedom and they allowed themselves to be caged.  This is the way I took her comments.  I'd imagine if Hawke sided with the Templars this will make you an enemy of mages everywhere if you also killed all the mages in Ferelden and if Hawke kills all the mages in Kirkwall.  Yeah, I see her son being used against the Templars  and The Chantry if Templars are running around killing mages everywhere at the end of DA2.