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[elearon1]

 It has to be said, BW could take a lesson from CD Project Red about how to do love scenes in a game.  I don't mean the nudity and obvious intercourse scenes - though I have to say, this is the first time I've ever slept with a hooker in a game and fealt like I got some bang for my buck (no pun intended) - but the build up to that part.  The love scene with Triss (which you see part of it in the videos) was equal parts romantic, arousing and silly - the way a good love scene should be.

Mind you, I'm not saying the love scenes in DA2 were bad ... personally I think they were an improvement on the approach of the first game, and I'm hoping DA3 will do better still.  My main gripe is so far in the DA franchise those scenes don't feel as natural as they do in the Witcher 2 ... it still feels like I'm climbing a ladder of responses to get to a money scene in a lot of ways ... more scripted, I guess.  (though, the fact that you can romance someone whether they are high on the friend or rival slide was a nice addition that I really hope they keep ... the rivalry system in general was a great addition to the game)

For all that, the Witcher 2 does feel more like I'm playing through a movie than a character in an rpg.  You can really like Geralt, even really emapthize with him, but I don't think you ever get into his shoes the way you can with your own protagonist.  Because of that, I think the love scenes do lack the same emotional connection ... you don't feel giddy when you make love to Triss, because you always knew it would happen.  And there is no need to build a relationship with her ... it's already there.  

So, I guess what I'd love to see is a wedding of the two styles - BW's "building a relationship" approach, with the more natural and realistic feeling love scenes of TW2. 

After the scene with Triss in the pool, though, I can no longer count the style in ME1 as the best crpg love scene to date.

[Ariella]

Actually I think the pullback was because of FOX news and their attack on ME's love scene, which I thought is the best one I've ever seen in a video game, bar none. And no I haven't played TW2.

TW2 will wait til it's less money, and if someone can confirm for me that Geralt can actually be loyal to Triss (sorry upon hearing sex as a reward for quests I started disliking Geralt more, if there's a way around it I'd be happier)

[Xilizhra]

I'd never play either Witcher game, and am quite happy with DA2's scenes. Well, scene: the Merrill friendmance once, which is quite frankly all I need. It's utterly lovely.

[TM13h]

elearon1 wrote...

 It has to be said, BW could take a lesson from CD Project Red about how to do a game. 

Fixed that for you, especially with regard to DA2. But yeah, love scenes in BW gmes are getting worse with every game.

Modifié par TM13h, 21 mai 2011 - 09:21 .

[jlb524]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'd never play either Witcher game, and am quite happy with DA2's scenes. Well, scene: the Merrill friendmance once, which is quite frankly all I need. It's utterly lovely.

Yes, I agree.

The others seem okay too. 

I don't think adding nudity/sex necessarily makes scenes better.

[Huntress]

TM13h wrote...

elearon1 wrote...

 It has to be said, BW could take a lesson from CD Project Red about how to do a game. 

Fixed that for you, especially with regard to DA2. But yeah, love scenes in BW gmes are getting worse with every game.

I think they want to switch from adults to younger crowd, thats why the love scenes came from grandparents- panties (DAO) to fully dressed DA2. kissing is fine for 14 years old! I suppose. rofl

They should just allow character to hold hands before entering a room, that will tell us what this character has on his mind.

Modifié par Huntress, 21 mai 2011 - 09:47 .

[Ariella]

One of my favorite love scenes of all time has a little kissing and no sex, and is in Raiders of the Lost Ark." On the tramp boat, when Marion is asking Indy "So where doesn't it hurt?" That, the "I'm a nice man" scene in Empire, and the last scene between Delenn and Sheridan in the ep Confessions and Lamentations which was just a hug and comfort, no kissing, no sex nada. It can be done.

[Drachasor]

Ariella wrote...

One of my favorite love scenes of all time has a little kissing and no sex, and is in Raiders of the Lost Ark." On the tramp boat, when Marion is asking Indy "So where doesn't it hurt?" That, the "I'm a nice man" scene in Empire, and the last scene between Delenn and Sheridan in the ep Confessions and Lamentations which was just a hug and comfort, no kissing, no sex nada. It can be done.

I agree.  More casual scenes, dialogue, and, interactions like that would do a lot more to make romances feel right in the game than any number or length of sex scenes.

Heh, side note, the worst such thing in any Bioware game has to be Yoeman Kelly in ME2.  Her eye animation is so disturbing.

Modifié par Drachasor, 21 mai 2011 - 10:53 .

[EugeneBi]

Ariella wrote...

Actually I think the pullback was because of FOX news and their attack on ME's love scene, which I thought is the best one I've ever seen in a video game, bar none. And no I haven't played TW2.

TW2 will wait til it's less money, and if someone can confirm for me that Geralt can actually be loyal to Triss (sorry upon hearing sex as a reward for quests I started disliking Geralt more, if there's a way around it I'd be happier)

If you are not buying Aussie edition, I guess there should be a way to stay "loyal" - just take the money as quest reward. I am in the very beginning but at least in the first game all love was optional.

That said, Geralt (in the books) was never strictly loyal. When Yennifer asks "Have you cheated on me" he responds "Each time thought about you". Anyway, if he is to be loyal to somebody, it should be Yennifer, not Triss.

[Chiramu]

Yes because you buy a game for sex scenes ... >.>

[elearon1]

Yeah, but Yennifer is pretty much out of his story for these games ... sure he mentions her, and even has a talk with Triss about her, but she's gone. That said, on my second playthrough (this game really does have numerous points at which your decisions seem to scream "another playthrough needed") I'm going to treat Triss' affections more like the unrequited love we see in the stories.

>>TW2 will wait til it's less money, and if someone can confirm for me that Geralt can actually be loyal to Triss (sorry upon hearing sex as a reward for quests I started disliking Geralt more, if there's a way around it I'd be happier)<<

You always have the choice of choosing something else, or simply not helping that woman in her side quest. (if it's the one I think it is, I sided against her in it, so no love or money for me)

>>I don't think adding nudity/sex necessarily makes scenes better.<<

I agree, which is why I specifically stated that the improvement wasn't the sex or nudity itself, but the fact that the scenes come across as more natural, fluid, and romantic when appropriate. (I don't mind sex and nudity, so I don't mind adding that those parts were done well, also)

>>One of my favorite love scenes of all time has a little kissing and no sex, and is in Raiders of the Lost Ark." On the tramp boat, when Marion is asking Indy "So where doesn't it hurt?<<

The rose of remembrance love scene has probably hit Youtube or a similar service by now - ignoring the sex part itself - I encourage you to watch it for the pre-copulation interactions. (and the conversation that goes on above while it is happening is amusing as well)

[Mr.House]

As long as the tender dialog is not removed then I don't care if there is some glimpses of flesh and body parts. I liked the DA2 scenes, tho there is some room for improvements, but the dialog was

[elearon1]

Chiramu wrote...

Yes because you buy a game for sex scenes ... >.>

I don't think I stated that anywhere in my post.  In fact, I think I made it clear that this was simply a part of the game BW could take some cues on.  No, you shouldn't buy a game for its sex scenes, BUT a lot of people DO buy BW games for the relationships and romances that come along with the rest of the experience ... so if they could improve upon those, they'd make that - fairly large, if just the BW forums are any indication - part of their audience even happier. 

[elearon1]

Mr.House wrote... (or is that Mr. Street, Mr. Door, Mr. World ... ?) 

As long as the tender dialog is not removed then I don't care if there is some glimpses of flesh and body parts. I liked the DA2 scenes, tho there is some room for improvements, but the dialog was

Personally, I thought the delivery of the love scenes was done better in DA2 - the pull away as they roll about on the bed or whatnot was a good alternative to having a more lurid scene, such as in the first game.  But the stuff before that ... the conversation, the intimacy, could still be done better.

[Mr.House]

elearon1 wrote...

Mr.House wrote... (or is that Mr. Street, Mr. Door, Mr. World ... ?) 

As long as the tender dialog is not removed then I don't care if there is some glimpses of flesh and body parts. I liked the DA2 scenes, tho there is some room for improvements, but the dialog was

Personally, I thought the delivery of the love scenes was done better in DA2 - the pull away as they roll about on the bed or whatnot was a good alternative to having a more lurid scene, such as in the first game.  But the stuff before that ... the conversation, the intimacy, could still be done better.

Personly, I think Izzys scene was perfect the way it was handled, but I'm a bias Izzy fan so

[Mr.House]

Mash Mashington wrote...

i can't believe anyone actually liked DA:O scenes

seriously, they were borderline ridiculous

*shutters*DO NOT WANT

[elearon1]

Mr.House wrote...
Personly, I think Izzys scene was perfect the way it was handled, but I'm a bias Izzy fan so

Isabela's scene was very appropriate for her character, and I agree ... I have the hardest time not at least partially romancing her in every playthrough.

By the way, you're avatar is very appropriate for your name, very cool.

[Mr.House]

elearon1 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
Personly, I think Izzys scene was perfect the way it was handled, but I'm a bias Izzy fan so

Isabela's scene was very appropriate for her character, and I agree ... I have the hardest time not at least partially romancing her in every playthrough.

By the way, you're avatar is very appropriate for your name, very cool.

Why thank you old chap.:happy:

[Jagged Orchid]

Mr.House wrote...
Personly, I think Izzys scene was perfect the way it was handled, but I'm a bias Izzy fan so

There was room for improvement, but I think overall it was well done. As far as the emotional aspect went, they captured it well.

Personally, as far as video games go, I'd rather see a focus on the emotional aspect than on the actual sex scene itself. For one, games just can't really deliver in that department and 2,  I'd like to think the real focus is on the relationship between the two characters, and not so much just sex.

[Ariella]

elearon1 wrote...

Yeah, but Yennifer is pretty much out of his story for these games ... sure he mentions her, and even has a talk with Triss about her, but she's gone. That said, on my second playthrough (this game really does have numerous points at which your decisions seem to scream "another playthrough needed") I'm going to treat Triss' affections more like the unrequited love we see in the stories.

>>TW2 will wait til it's less money, and if someone can confirm for me that Geralt can actually be loyal to Triss (sorry upon hearing sex as a reward for quests I started disliking Geralt more, if there's a way around it I'd be happier)<<

You always have the choice of choosing something else, or simply not helping that woman in her side quest. (if it's the one I think it is, I sided against her in it, so no love or money for me)

Okay, I wasn't a fan of Geralt when I played the Witcher. He made me coocoo and not in a good way, one of the many reason I just couldn't finish that game. Sex cards were definately another, being a hetro female with a bunch of barely dressed women on psudeo playing cards just not what I'd collect from a romantic evening.

TW2 sounds better if only because I found the world interesting, still going to wait for a price drop. I have Ghost Story pre-ordered along with the entire rerelease of the Pryadain series for my girls. My big money purchases are tied up until July.

>>I don't think adding nudity/sex necessarily makes scenes better.<<

I agree, which is why I specifically stated that the improvement wasn't the sex or nudity itself, but the fact that the scenes come across as more natural, fluid, and romantic when appropriate. (I don't mind sex and nudity, so I don't mind adding that those parts were done well, also)

Natural is good. I like natural. My biggest frustration with DAO's love scene wasn't even the sex but the cinamagraphic hug and kiss prior, which showed them from the waist up and the two character (well Alistar and my Cousland) overlapped rather than hugged. Get the film angles right and body placement and I'm fine.

>>One of my favorite love scenes of all time has a little kissing and no sex, and is in Raiders of the Lost Ark." On the tramp boat, when Marion is asking Indy "So where doesn't it hurt?<<

The rose of remembrance love scene has probably hit Youtube or a similar service by now - ignoring the sex part itself - I encourage you to watch it for the pre-copulation interactions. (and the conversation that goes on above while it is happening is amusing as well)

If you could PM me a link if you find it I'd be grateful. I can't navigate youtube to save my life.

[General Malor]

I think in general Bioware has made great progess with love scenes and romance. With that being said I can see many ways they can improve. But I'll keep my post limited to sex scenes.

I hated seeing Bioware get bullied by Fox news, and what's worse is them relenting because of it. The fact of the entire matter is that these games are rated Mature for a reason. These games are from adult gamers, that means that at the very least the things that can happen in an R-rated movie should be allowed in Mature video games. Sex scenes with partial nudity shouldn't be a problem. And it is not a matter I wish to see them give on.

If the story has the characters engaging in consensual sex, after a long romance story, and both are of age, then there should be no problem. And Bioware shouldn't have to feel the need to tone down their content.

I think that sex/love scenes shouldn't be toned down. I'm for them. BUT! There should be an option to turn them on or off. That way everyone will be pleased. And the right-wing can't claim it's just pornography, because the option for the content is there.

It would be the ultimate slap in the face and the final "These are YOUR children, they are YOUR responsibility, if you don't want them to see this content don't allow them to have the game and be more involved in their lives".

I would like this cause to get more attention, and I fully support more detailed/involved/engaging sex/love scenes.

[elearon1]

>>If you could PM me a link if you find it I'd be grateful. I can't navigate youtube to save my life.<<

This is one of the best Youtube versions I've found; it doesn't have the "conversation above" part in it, but considering that is interspersed with some pretty graphic sex scenes, I can understand why.

Youtube

Modifié par elearon1, 22 mai 2011 - 12:01 .

[elearon1]

General Malor wrote...

I think that sex/love scenes shouldn't be toned down. I'm for them. BUT! There should be an option to turn them on or off. That way everyone will be pleased. And the right-wing can't claim it's just pornography, because the option for the content is there.

I agree that this seems a reasonable solution ... but, the same people who can't be bothered to pay attention to what games their children are playing are not going to be bothered to turn off sex scenes, so they'll still complain that the computer gaming industry isn't doing their job for them. (you could include some kind of age check system in these so parents could control it even better ... maybe a credit card number or the like)