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[KBomb]

simfamSP wrote...

If it were up to me I'd go full way. **** anybody else. Really, Bioware have alot of Talent but hardly any balls...

But of course there's the EA devil that's leashed them pretty tight now. So they can't risk their necks.

I don't see why though. What attracts the CoD audience more than explosions and awesome? Sex. Yes, big boobs and hot bodies make CoD fans drool over games.

Wow, what a sweeping statement. I don’t recall any sex scenes, boobs or hot bodies in CoD. I don’t know any CoD players, including myself, who decide to purchase or not to purchase any game based on the sexual content that may or may not be included in said game. I have read a lot of "omfg cod playerz r >insert generalization here<, but this takes the cake.

Modifié par KBomb, 23 mai 2011 - 01:39 .

[marshalleck]

KBomb wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

If it were up to me I'd go full way. **** anybody else. Really, Bioware have alot of Talent but hardly any balls...

But of course there's the EA devil that's leashed them pretty tight now. So they can't risk their necks.

I don't see why though. What attracts the CoD audience more than explosions and awesome? Sex. Yes, big boobs and hot bodies make CoD fans drool over games.

Wow, what a sweeping statement. I don’t recall any sex scenes, boobs or hot bodies in CoD. I don’t know any CoD players, including myself, who decide to purchase or not to purchase any game based on the sexual content that may or may not be included in said game. I have read a lot of "omfg cod playerz r >insert generalization here<, but this takes the cake.

Indeed. Rather it is the hardcore Bioware fanboy who seems to become a sweaty pervert over cheesy "romance" in RPGs and dedicate thousands of pages of discussion to theorizing and speculating about said "romances" with imaginary people. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 mai 2011 - 02:03 .

[General Malor]

marshalleck wrote...

Indeed. Rather it is the hardcore Bioware fanboy who seems to become a sweaty pervert over cheesy "romance" in RPGs and dedicate thousands of pages of discussion to theorizing and speculating about said "romances" with imaginary people. 

I don't see the problem. R-rated movies have sex scenes, does that mean anyone who has ever watched an R-rated movie with a sex scene is a pervert? That's like saying books shouldn't have sex scenes or that people are "sweaty perverts" for reading them.

You don't like people playing the role in role-playing games then this isn't the place for you. That's worse than going to a RP server in an MMO and saying everyone is wierd for role-playing.

[MonkeyLungs]

I think they should get over their fear of nudity. It expands to other elements of their game design as well. In DA:o should those werewolves really have turned back to human fully clothed? That was some really lazy and scared design right there. I was actually quite appaled at how lame that was considering how cool the whole rest of that encounter/scenario/quest was.

[Nerevar-as]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

I think they should get over their fear of nudity. It expands to other elements of their game design as well. In DA:o should those werewolves really have turned back to human fully clothed? That was some really lazy and scared design right there. I was actually quite appaled at how lame that was considering how cool the whole rest of that encounter/scenario/quest was.

On the other side we had the Broodmothers . Nudity is OK to BW if it is Fan Diservice.

[flexxdk]

elearon1 wrote...

General Malor wrote...

I think that sex/love scenes shouldn't be toned down. I'm for them. BUT! There should be an option to turn them on or off. That way everyone will be pleased. And the right-wing can't claim it's just pornography, because the option for the content is there.

I agree that this seems a reasonable solution ... but, the same people who can't be bothered to pay attention to what games their children are playing are not going to be bothered to turn off sex scenes, so they'll still complain that the computer gaming industry isn't doing their job for them. (you could include some kind of age check system in these so parents could control it even better ... maybe a credit card number or the like)

Parents always try to find a way to blame the gaming industry. If there's something that they don't try to blame the gaming industry of, it's world news. And a miracle.

I even met a loony parent who accused Pokemon of teaching animal abuse to kids... Never explained to me how it was that, though.

[elearon1]

Whacka wrote...
I even met a loony parent who accused Pokemon of teaching animal abuse to kids... Never explained to me how it was that, though.

Pokemon is really more about the enslavement of sentient creatures for your own amusement.  Come on, many Pokemon can reason and some can talk and express complex ideas - yet the Poketrainers capture them against their will and force them to fight, arena style, for their own amusement.  

Mind you, most kids aren't going to recognize this unless their parents point it out ... at which point they are still responsible for the child getting exposure to offensive ideas. (after all, ruining what is meant to be a silly child's toy concept by forcing ideas of oppression and abuse on a child at a young age is probably irresponsible ... let them be kids for awhile, damnit!)

[KeyStroke]

The difference between the Dragon Age games and The witcher; one I feel like target a mature audience, the other doesnt. Im an adult, when I see something with a 18 rating on the cover I got certain expectations as well.

Majority of people who buy computer games is adults, and its sad to get the feeling that they held back to afraid of upset someone over content. CD Projekt RED seems more concerned over make a good product rather than afraid of make someone upset over bad language, nudity or what not. Or at least that the feeling got left after played through tw2.

Frankly, if minors play computer games with mature (18 yr) rating, that is a parrent problem, not the ones of the creators/publishers.

Im not saying the Dragon Age is bad, at least had much fun witht origins and awakening, although DA2 was a bit of a let down, although good storywise, it could have been so much more.

[erilben]

Hatchetman77 wrote...

Mass Effect style is the way to go.  Nothing wrong with side boob and butt shots. 

I don't see what was so great about that. ME1 only had one cutscene that was resused for everyone.

[Luvinn]

Ariella wrote...

Actually I think the pullback was because of FOX news and their attack on ME's love scene, which I thought is the best one I've ever seen in a video game, bar none. And no I haven't played TW2.

TW2 will wait til it's less money, and if someone can confirm for me that Geralt can actually be loyal to Triss (sorry upon hearing sex as a reward for quests I started disliking Geralt more, if there's a way around it I'd be happier)

You can turn down sex with anyone if you want to. There is actually an option that says either "sounds good to me (something like that)" or "sorry, im taken" when one woman comes on to you. You have to buy hookers too, so thats completely avoidable. Theres no sleeping with a random woman by accident.

And i have to say that the romance scenes in Dragon Age (origins especially) made me just click through it. If you're going to go that route, go all the way or not at all. The Isabella love scene was better than the awkward "sex through underwear" scenes.

Modifié par Luvinn, 23 mai 2011 - 11:13 .

[Malanek]

Luvinn wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Actually I think the pullback was because of FOX news and their attack on ME's love scene, which I thought is the best one I've ever seen in a video game, bar none. And no I haven't played TW2.

TW2 will wait til it's less money, and if someone can confirm for me that Geralt can actually be loyal to Triss (sorry upon hearing sex as a reward for quests I started disliking Geralt more, if there's a way around it I'd be happier)

You can turn down sex with anyone if you want to. There is actually an option that says either "sounds good to me (soemthing like that)" or "sorry, im taken" when one woman comes on to you. You have to buy hookers too, so thats completely avoidable. Theres no sleeping with a random woman by accident.

Right at the start you wake up next to a naked Triss Merigold.

[elearon1]

Malanek999 wrote...

Luvinn wrote...
Theres no sleeping with a random woman by accident.

Right at the start you wake up next to a naked Triss Merigold.

Though, she's hardly a "random woman".  Mind you, if you had went with Shani in the first game, this would seem like quite the shock.

[elearon1]

JohnEpler wrote...

Already a topic here talking about the sex scenes.
Please keep the discussion to a single thread. Thanks!
Locking.

Not sex scenes, "love scenes", the distinction between which was part of my post.  You misprepresentin' me, John!

Edit: As to whether BW should stop trying them?  Heavens no!  BW is the only triple A game company doing credit to romance stories right now, (CDR isn't really a triple A company yet, with only two games under its belt) and have been in the forefront of bringing us new relationship dynamics in games for decades.  

Rather than suggest they give up, I think they should push forward and keep trying new things ... I just wish they could be a little less gun shy about it. (as they seem to have become in recent years)

Modifié par elearon1, 23 mai 2011 - 11:48 .

[Malanek]

elearon1 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Luvinn wrote...
Theres no sleeping with a random woman by accident.

Right at the start you wake up next to a naked Triss Merigold.

Though, she's hardly a "random woman".  Mind you, if you had went with Shani in the first game, this would seem like quite the shock.

It was more about the fact you can't turn down a sex scene with anyone. You can with anyone except for Triss. You could import saves from TW1, so I guess it might be possible to do it that way, I don't know if there is a difference or not. I no longer have any saves from TW1, so just using the default. I think in TW1 you didn't have to have sex with a single person although not 100% sure about that given I can't remember exactly what happens when you make a choice with Alvin.

[Faust1979]

I like that sex scene with Isabella that was great!

[Serpieri Nei]

Great Article here - http://kotaku.com/58...sing-only-magic

Also check out the link for the games humor and games engine.

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 23 mai 2011 - 11:55 .

[John Epler]

elearon1 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Already a topic here talking about the sex scenes.
Please keep the discussion to a single thread. Thanks!
Locking.

Not sex scenes, "love scenes", the distinction between which was part of my post.  You misprepresentin' me, John!

Edit: As to whether BW should stop trying them?  Heavens no!  BW is the only triple A game company doing credit to romance stories right now, (CDR isn't really a triple A company yet, with only two games under its belt) and have been in the forefront of bringing us new relationship dynamics in games for decades.  

Rather than suggest they give up, I think they should push forward and keep trying new things ... I just wish they could be a little less gun shy about it. (as they seem to have become in recent years)

I debated whether to put sex scenes or love scenes, and chose the former.

Now, in the wee darkness of the early morning, I'll always ask myself 'what if?'

[elearon1]

Faust1979 wrote...

I like that sex scene with Isabella that was great!

I think it was mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but I'll say it again: Isabela's scene was very appropriate for her character, where more romance would have felt out of place.  In that regard I'd say hers was one of the most effectively approached scenes in the game.

[Luvinn]

Malanek999 wrote...


Right at the start you wake up next to a naked Triss Merigold.

Since Ariella asked if it was possible to be loyal to Triss or if you had to have sex with another person as a quest reward, i figured waking up next to Triss would be a non-issue. Although, you never actually make love with her in that scene, the guard comes and and denies that! And you can choose to go by yourself to the elven gardens or just choose to leave there.

Modifié par Luvinn, 23 mai 2011 - 11:58 .

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Luvinn wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...


Right at the start you wake up next to a naked Triss Merigold.

Since Ariella asked if it was possible to be loyal to Triss or if you had to have sex with another person as a quest reward, i figured waking up next to Triss would be a non-issue. Although, you never actually make love with her in that scene, the guard comes and and denies that! And you can choose to go by yourself to the elven gardens or just choose to leave there.

I've heard some nasty things about that scene, usually along the lines that it offends the senses with overwhelming sex appeal.

[Rockpopple]

It seems simplistic, but the truth is a lot of people want nudity, and if they don't get nudity, it's not "mature" enough.

Games are a bit of escapism, and part of that is having it with naked chicks. Even if there isn't full nudity, even a smidgen of nudity makes a lot of guy all sweaty in the palms. It excites them. That why the side-boob and the buttocks in ME1 are constantly referenced under the words "ME1 Liara love scene".

That's really what it's all about: nudity.

I guarantee you that if you saw Isabella's side-boob or if her bum was exposed or something, you'd have maybe 90% reduction in the complaints about the sex-scenes: even if the scene was exactly the same otherwise.

People don't like to look at this simple fact because it makes us all look like monkeys, but it's the truth: it's all about nudity. Nudity is what pissed off Fox News, nudity is what titillates and excites.

You think people would be raving about TW2's sex scenes if there weren't any nudity? Puh-lease.

It's all about the skin. Talk about any other factor you like, but it all boils down to nudity.

[Luvinn]

On the contrary, i think Isabella's love scene was done well. I thought the DA:O scenes were just.....hard to watch. I think Merrill's scene would of been 10x better if they were under the covers, nude, but not showing anything, rather than wearing pants and what looked like a bikini. It would just be more realisitc, while not 'going there'.

Modifié par Luvinn, 24 mai 2011 - 12:08 .

[Faust1979]

Rockpopple wrote...

It seems simplistic, but the truth is a lot of people want nudity, and if they don't get nudity, it's not "mature" enough.

Games are a bit of escapism, and part of that is having it with naked chicks. Even if there isn't full nudity, even a smidgen of nudity makes a lot of guy all sweaty in the palms. It excites them. That why the side-boob and the buttocks in ME1 are constantly referenced under the words "ME1 Liara love scene".

That's really what it's all about: nudity.



I guarantee you that if you saw Isabella's side-boob or if her bum was exposed or something, you'd have maybe 90% reduction in the complaints about the sex-scenes: even if the scene was exactly the same otherwise.

People don't like to look at this simple fact because it makes us all look like monkeys, but it's the truth: it's all about nudity. Nudity is what pissed off Fox News, nudity is what titillates and excites.

You think people would be raving about TW2's sex scenes if there weren't any nudity? Puh-lease.

It's all about the skin. Talk about any other factor you like, but it all boils down to nudity.

nudity only offends the extremely religious

Modifié par Faust1979, 24 mai 2011 - 12:12 .

[_Aine_]

I think some people associate the nudity with the level of sexuality in a scene, and that isn't necessarily true. The Elven garden sex scene in TW2 shows female nudity ( none of male bodies though.... *grrr* ) but the sex act itself was barely shown, and was done in snippets so it was, in actuality, fairly understated in my mind.  Now, some of the snippets were in fact of various positions.  They could have made it more hard-core if they chose to....certainly. 

Of course, maybe I am more liberal than many in terms of sexuality and nudity.... but the two definitely don't equal each other. If it is a *choice* whether the content is presented to you or not, I personally don't see the issue, especially with the levels of depiction of violence and gore. Of course, the game should also be about conveying a story, not simply about reaching the maximum level for each rating either. People whined for years about the sex in Second Life. It was (could be) pretty hard core, and as it wasn't a game and instead just people, no real rating system other than the normal stuff for underage etc ( which did cause some problems....)

I thought it (TW2 scene) was pretty tasteful, but I guess that is fairly subjective really. i don't find normal sex very hard-core I suppose...

And, I appreciated the scenes that I have seen so far in DA2. They weren't "sex" scenes to my eye, but pre-ambles to such - love scenes more I guess. My biggest complaint is that Fenris wasn't doing the wall pushing instead of receiving (lol), but I digress.... You don't NEED nudity for a scene to be sexual, and simply being nude doesn't necessarily make it sexual either. I guess the art is in how it is done.  That said, I did wish DA2 had even just a little

Modifié par shantisands, 24 mai 2011 - 12:22 .

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

I was being sarcastic, Rock.