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[Perles75]

Nimrodell wrote...

@ Perles 75: That's why all this comparing of BW games and The Witcher is stupid... .

I perfectly agree, always thought so. Nowadays enjoying both the Dragon Age AND the The Witcher series seems a heresy!

[Siven80]

I play both DA2 and Witcher 2

On the topic of love scenes though. While TW2 has pushed the boundries, I still believe ME1's love scene is one of the best love scene about (along with the TW2 triss elven ruins scene...great stroty telling scene imo) . Good camera angles, erotic and teasing rather than full on. I found it far more pleasing than any other game love scene since.

Modifié par Siven80, 27 mai 2011 - 11:39 .

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Rann wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

 Nudity is what pissed off Fox News.

One (minor) nitpick in this otherwise fascinating discussion:  I rather think Fox News was delighted, not "pissed off."  It's exactly the sort of fodder that their viewers will get shocked about (or will pretend to be shocked about), regardless of whether or not those who run Fox News throught of it, and it generates rating.  Given some of the stuff on Fox broadcasting (or the various other channels that they own), even during prime time, it's clear that they're not above titillation. 

In other words, they don't care what's in the game, whether it's a casual nipple shot or a full-on group orgy.  They'll happily pick on any violation of our culture's ill-defined code of ethics simply because it produces ratings and maybe gets some politicians grumpy.  (Not that the politicians necessarily care, either, but it's good publicity for them, too.)  It's the same thing that drove the fear around D&D in the 70's (I actually had an trigonometry teacher pull me aside and discuss my impending descent to the dark side if I continued to DM games, based on some ill-researched article she'd read).

Personally, I liked the romance scenes in DA2 better than DA:O.  I don't care about nudity one way or the other in games-- fade to black works fine for me, but also I thought the semi-nude picture someone posted from the Witcher game (which I haven't played) earlier in this thread to be charming and inoffensive.  I suppose that it's hard for me to get too excited about computer-generated nude  images of impossibly-proportioned people, though I certainly agree that YMMV.  (I do find it disconcerting when a character takes off clothing to reveal undergarments that clearly weren't there before, a la the DA:O scenes -- fade to black would certainly be preferable to that!

Of course, no romance scene could be more disconcerting than the one on the DA:O blooper reel, involving the darkspawn... that definitely should be avoided no matter what... 

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[DSGrant]

For Bioware, ME1 was the best done love scene in any of their games. Period.

Witcher 2 had a lot of gratuitous nudity (and sex), and that's generally pleasing to a male demographic, but the actual romantic moments between Geralt and Triss (and even Ves) were enough of a contextual contrast to make it memorable. Personally, while I don't think the nudity was bad, I'd prefer it to make sense in the context of the story and character development. In that light, the partial nudity of the love scene with Shepard in ME1 was every bit as good, if not better, than the full nudity of TW2's love scenes between Geralt and Triss.

Unfortunately, what Bioware has done since ME1 in ME2, DA:O and DA2 has been progressively more awkward and awful.

[Zanallen]

DA:O was awful when it comes to the sex scenes. ME 2 and DA 2 technically don't have sex scenes. They have the lead up and the aftermath. The middle is a fade to black.

[In Exile]

At least it doesn't have the terrible underwear. I mean, that might be someone's fetish, but...

Although I believe the idea was that DA:O would have full nudity, which was eventually removed.

[FiachSidhe]

While I'm not thrilled at the prospect of Geralt dong footage, yeah it comes off as a double standard that unfortunately plays into the stigma that the first Witcher had, as being a game made for horny nerd men.
Kind of like how Mass Effect allowed for lesbian love scenes, but not homosexual men. The alien sex adjustment thing was a cop out to get a chick on another chick.

That said, the love scenes in Mass Effect are, sadly, the best Bioware has produced. classy, subtle, and realistic.

I think, since all of the ridiculous controversy, back when ME launched, Bioware has been afraid of love scenes. As each game after ME has gradually become more and more PG. Until you have people lying post-coitus, in full clothig, or Morrigan taking off her clothes and then putting on (modern) underwear to have sex.

Eventually the PC will simply exchange a Thundercats (or Jem and the Holograms, if female) Valentines day card with their partner of choice, and call it a night.

Modifié par FiachSidhe, 31 mai 2011 - 11:22 .

[gnomon7]

On the other hand, DA2 features creatures exploding into geysers of bloody lumpkins when you hack at them, and persistant gore in the cutscenes.

Compared to that, the love scenes should feature no-holes-barred dwarftossing.* It's a little jarring when all of a sudden your dark fantasy developes the attributes of a tv sitcom.

*this should at least be the next DLC

Modifié par gnomon7, 31 mai 2011 - 05:42 .

[Teddie Sage]

Please BioWare, consider a marriage scene for future romance in Dragon Age. XD It's the summum of romance.

[SkylinePigeon]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Please BioWare, consider a marriage scene for future romance in Dragon Age. XD It's the summum of romance.

Beh for some people.  I imagine if you asked Isabela to marry you get a dagger in your ribs.   Marriage can be nice but isn't necessary for all people or Bioware characters

[DSGrant]

SkylinePigeon wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

Please BioWare, consider a marriage scene for future romance in Dragon Age. XD It's the summum of romance.

Beh for some people.  I imagine if you asked Isabela to marry you get a dagger in your ribs.   Marriage can be nice but isn't necessary for all people or Bioware characters

Nah, it wouldn't be Isabela that would stick the dagger where the sun don't shine - it would be Zevran. But in deferrence to your point, it wouldn't be in character for Isabela to marry. I think the best you could hope for with her is monogomy, and that would be asking a lot from her. And with Merril, well, I'm sure she'd marry you, but it would only be a matter of time before you woke up with an Abomination in your bed.

[FiachSidhe]

gnomon7 wrote...

On the other hand, DA2 features creatures exploding into geysers of bloody lumpkins when you hack at them, and persistant gore in the cutscenes.

Compared to that, the love scenes should feature no-holes-barred dwarftossing.* It's a little jarring when all of a sudden your dark fantasy developes the attributes of a tv sitcom.

*this should at least be the next DLC

That's a whole 'nother can of bull**** right there. The insane double stgandard, of violence over sex in popular culture. Kids can watch heads explode all day, but a nipple slips at the Super Bowl and all of our puritanical roots come out to play.

Modifié par FiachSidhe, 01 juin 2011 - 12:44 .

[FiachSidhe]

SkylinePigeon wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

Please BioWare, consider a marriage scene for future romance in Dragon Age. XD It's the summum of romance.

Beh for some people.  I imagine if you asked Isabela to marry you get a dagger in your ribs.   Marriage can be nice but isn't necessary for all people or Bioware characters

Really? She's jaded, not psychopathic. Even jaded may be too strong. She's been hurt and it's obvious she doesn't want to go through that again. So she keeps relationships simple.

If asked for marraige I'd imagine she'd just laugh and say someone thing clever.

Modifié par FiachSidhe, 01 juin 2011 - 12:47 .

[Aaleel]

As far as Bioware games go ME1 by far had the best love scenes. ME2, DA2, and DAO fell well short. DAO they rolled around with underwear on, and ME2 and DA2 weren't really even love scenes, they were just foreplay that left everything else to the players' imagination.

As far as the Witcher, nudity does not make good sex scenes. The generic sex in the brothels was not anything special, but I thought the love scene with Triss was well done, from the setting, to the elf telling the story of the lovers during.

[SkylinePigeon]

FiachSidhe wrote...

SkylinePigeon wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

Please BioWare, consider a marriage scene for future romance in Dragon Age. XD It's the summum of romance.

Beh for some people.  I imagine if you asked Isabela to marry you get a dagger in your ribs.   Marriage can be nice but isn't necessary for all people or Bioware characters

Really? She's jaded, not psychopathic. Even jaded may be too strong. She's been hurt and it's obvious she doesn't want to go through that again. So she keeps relationships simple.

If asked for marraige I'd imagine she'd just laugh and say someone thing clever.

I was exaggerating for the sake of my point, your suggestion is closer to what she'd do. What I meant is that she'd turn it down (and that's perfectly ok IMO).

I'd say DA2 was wayyyy better than ME1.  Granted I've only seen Femshep/Liara as I only played ME 1 once, but as I recall it was dark, awkward music, and then there was a hand?  And some rolling I think... ? Very half-assed, anyway.  I prefer scenes that communicate the emotional significance (whether that be high e.g. Anders/Hawke or low, e.g. Hawke/Isabela) with a hint of spice.  I'm not opposed to full on sex scenes but I'm not quite sure the medium is ready for it/awkward or blocky character models would be wayyy worse than fade to black (*recalls pointy warden boobs of DAO, shudders*

[Teddie Sage]

*giggles* I do understand your point people, that's why I say to make it optional. But I always find it cute when compatible couples marry up... I'm a big romantic.

P.S.: I still wonder how Aveline and Donnic's marriage looked like. 

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 01 juin 2011 - 01:17 .

[SkylinePigeon]

Teddie Sage wrote...

*giggles* I do understand your point people, that's why I say to make it optional. But I always find it cute when compatible couples marry up... I'm a big romantic.

P.S.: I still wonder how Aveline and Donnic's marriage looked like. 

Sorry, my jaded feminist was showing.   I'm not really opposed to weddings, I just don't think they're strictly necessary.  Although I def. would have loved to see Aveline and Donnic's and I like the royal wedding mod for DAO... haha.

[Teddie Sage]

The elvan wedding mod is so friggin sweet (thanks to youtube). It makes me want to do a city elf and marry with Zevran. XD I have yet to see the royal wedding mod.

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 01 juin 2011 - 01:23 .

[SilentK]

Hmmm.... I've played ME, ME2, DA:O and DA2 and I like the DA2-version the best, it has a great lead up to the intimate scene which is fade-to-black and then you see the couple afterwards. I do not want it to be erotic, I want emotions which I think that they did great! ME had the naked female body climbing into bed, the same naked body for F!Shep with Kaidan or Liara or M!Shep with Ash or Liara. I much prefer the build-up in DA2. And that the big thing isn't just a naked female body seen from the side. Now if partial nudity came up for both in the couple and if there was a fade to black for the actual thing. Then I would not oppose a bit more skin. For me the build-up of the emotions is more important. How do they act towards each other, how do they approach intimacy.

[Teddie Sage]

I still think some people are just too prude for a rated-M game. Sex scenes are natural, so I don't see why people make such a fuss about it. Yes, emotional build-ups are good, but sexual scenes aren't that bad as long as they are sensual and well done.