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[ianmcdonald]

If you don't have $4, you're f***ing up.

[charmingcharlie]

ianmcdonald wrote...

If you don't have $4, you're f***ing up.

It isn't about "not having $4" it is about EA charging $4 for a 15 minute video.  I see people complaining all the time about Activision charging $10 for 4 maps and they wonder why ?  I dunno could it be because people are willing to pay money for a 15 minute video perhaps ?

Seriously if you can't understand what a horrible message you are sending to software companies if you buy this "dlc" then there is no point in me wasting my time trying to explain it.

[ianmcdonald]

charmingcharlie wrote...

ianmcdonald wrote...

If you don't have $4, you're f***ing up.

It isn't about "not having $4" it is about EA charging $4 for a 15 minute video.  I see people complaining all the time about Activision charging $10 for 4 maps and they wonder why ?  I dunno could it be because people are willing to pay money for a 15 minute video perhaps ?

Seriously if you can't understand what a horrible message you are sending to software companies if you buy this "dlc" then there is no point in me wasting my time trying to explain it.

I wouldn't suggest buying the comic to anyone, but companies charge money for stuff like this because there are people who would pay money for stuff like this.

If people want it, that's their deal. If people don't want it, that's cool too.

I'm just saying that people who don't have $4 to spare have better things to worry about than a stupid video.

[charmingcharlie]

ianmcdonald wrote...

I'm just saying that people who don't have $4 to spare have better things to worry about than a stupid video.

I don't think there has been a single post in here where someone has gone "oh I don't have $4 to spare so this DLC should be free".  The majority of posts in here have been more along the lines of "$4 for that DLC you can't be serious ?".

Now as you said people can do what they like, if they want to pay $4 for a 15 minute video then they can do.  However equally it is important that those that do not agree with this practice get an oppotunity to express to EA and Bioware that this practice is unacceptable to them.

[Infinite Legend_]

this is exactly the kind of stuff why developers scam gamers with DLC. because it's apparent people are actually willing to buy this **** (even defend them). DLC is the worst thing to happen in this generation of gaming. buy are incomplete game and pay for the rest.

[Bogsnot1]

Haristo wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Oh. My. God.

It's just a stupid comic book to fill in for Mass Effect. And it is like four dollars.

Who the **** you think ''payed'' this comic at the first place ? The goddamn money you paid buying Mass Effect 2 and they roman legion of DLCs. You gave them the money to putted on ressources AND Profits... I allow marketing campaigns and all that other stuff to get ''new players''... but goddamn we we're firsts and we made them where they are. Just look at all those games on my signature, except both Dragon Age, does a ''Playstation only'' gamer could have somewhere and somehow have played them ? Frickin' not.

Grow up kid.
By your logic, my grandparents should have their old Ford retrofitted with air-con, power steering, 6 stack cd player, fuel injection, ABS etc, all for free, because they bought an 1940's model car, thus giving Ford money to put  on resources and profits, they were there first and helped make Ford what they are today.

The only thing you are entitled to is a swift kick up the arse to try and bring you back to reality.

[javierabegazo]

Its really not a big deal. It's totally optional, and by playing Mass Effect 1, you're simply getting much more content and actual choice than the comic even lets you.

If you don't want to do that, just use the Save Editor, I even wrote a new simple tutorial to use it

- How to mod ME2 for the Xbox 360 - updated 5/3/2011-




It's really simple, so don't be intimidated. And the community is very helpful, and after a year of modding, zero ramifications have shown up concerning XBOX LIVE and thier policy (and logically so as ME2 is a single player game)

[javierabegazo]

Also, I thought I'd buy every single DLC with Mass Effect in the title, I even bought Pinnacle Station, but as it turns out, this is the first piece of "DLC" that I won't be getting.

[CroGamer002]

And I'm wondering why would anyone want to get that crap even for free.

[Nashiktal]

javierabegazo wrote...

Also, I thought I'd buy every single DLC with Mass Effect in the title, I even bought Pinnacle Station, but as it turns out, this is the first piece of "DLC" that I won't be getting.

Same here. I have bought every bit of DLC so far from ME 1 and 2, but this comic is just far to ridiculous for me to even consider. What with free save editors widely available, and ME1 easily available for five bucks depending where you look... 

Now if they had included a wider range of decisions, and gave us a QUALITY comic to work with I would have bought it and applauded bioware. But... Quick someone post the pic of Wrex from the comic. That is all people need to see to make a decision.

[Geth_Prime]

Yes, we get Mass Effect, but sometimes I don't want to play through ME1 just to get the decisions I want. ME1 is fantastic, but sometimes I'd like to play ME2 on its own without having Wreav and the human Council forced upon me every bl**dy time. I say, if the PS3 gets the comic free, so should the rest of us, whether or not they didn't get the first game. It's a rip off. It doesn't matter too much, but it's still a rip off. Next thing you know the PS3 will get an exclusive squadmate in ME3.

And no, I'm not going to use the save editor. I don't even know how.

[Babli]

Infinite Legend wrote...

DLC is the worst thing to happen in this generation of gaming. buy are incomplete game and pay for the rest.

This...

Mesina2 wrote...

And I'm wondering why would anyone want to get that crap even for free.

..aaaand this.

[Nashiktal]

Geth_Prime wrote...

Yes, we get Mass Effect, but sometimes I don't want to play through ME1 just to get the decisions I want. ME1 is fantastic, but sometimes I'd like to play ME2 on its own without having Wreav and the human Council forced upon me every bl**dy time. I say, if the PS3 gets the comic free, so should the rest of us, whether or not they didn't get the first game. It's a rip off. It doesn't matter too much, but it's still a rip off. Next thing you know the PS3 will get an exclusive squadmate in ME3.

And no, I'm not going to use the save editor. I don't even know how.

Then learn. It would take less time than buying and downloading the DLC if all you want to do is the basic story plot. Cheaper too.

And this is coming from the guy who bought all the DLC for ME 1 and 2, and have over twenty playthroughs of ME1. (I love ME to death, but I just can't play it anymore.)

[Bogsnot1]

Babli wrote...

Infinite Legend wrote...

DLC is the worst thing to happen in this generation of gaming. buy are incomplete game and pay for the rest.

This...

DLC is just another way of saying "expansion pack". Back in the old days, we had to wait until the developers had a full CD/DVD worth of stuff to release before you would get any form of expansion to your game.
Now, with the magic of the interwebs, you dont have to wait until they have enough content to fill up a CD/DVD. You can download it as it gets created. Or, dont download it if you dont want it.

They even do it with movies. You go see a movie at the theatres, only for them to release a "Directors Cut" much later. Do you then go along and whinge how you paid to see an incomplete movie, and now have to pay again to see it in full?

[Babli]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Babli wrote...

Infinite Legend wrote...

DLC is the worst thing to happen in this generation of gaming. buy are incomplete game and pay for the rest.

This...

DLC is just another way of saying "expansion pack". Back in the old days, we had to wait until the developers had a full CD/DVD worth of stuff to release before you would get any form of expansion to your game.
Now, with the magic of the interwebs, you dont have to wait until they have enough content to fill up a CD/DVD. You can download it as it gets created. Or, dont download it if you dont want it.

They even do it with movies. You go see a movie at the theatres, only for them to release a "Directors Cut" much later. Do you then go along and whinge how you paid to see an incomplete movie, and now have to pay again to see it in full?

wat

Back then, for games like Counter-Strike there were tons of maps FOR FREE, now gamers pay 10 dollars for 5 maps and they are ok with it. Ridiculous in my eyes.

Expansion packs like The Frozen Throne for Warcraft 3 came with hours of new content and campaigns while DLCs are overpriced things that would be already in game if they wasnt so rushed or are cut from game purposely for sake of having DLC.

Look at ME 2 DLCs. Story-wise, they add only 4-5 hours of content at best and some weapons and outfits. And together they cost as some full expansion pack that add 5x more of content at least.

DLC sucks and I am proud of not buying them.

[Paul Sedgmore]

Babli wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Babli wrote...

Infinite Legend wrote...

DLC is the worst thing to happen in this generation of gaming. buy are incomplete game and pay for the rest.

This...

DLC is just another way of saying "expansion pack". Back in the old days, we had to wait until the developers had a full CD/DVD worth of stuff to release before you would get any form of expansion to your game.
Now, with the magic of the interwebs, you dont have to wait until they have enough content to fill up a CD/DVD. You can download it as it gets created. Or, dont download it if you dont want it.

They even do it with movies. You go see a movie at the theatres, only for them to release a "Directors Cut" much later. Do you then go along and whinge how you paid to see an incomplete movie, and now have to pay again to see it in full?

wat

Back then, for games like Counter-Strike there were tons of maps FOR FREE, now gamers pay 10 dollars for 5 maps and they are ok with it. Ridiculous in my eyes.

Expansion packs like The Frozen Throne for Warcraft 3 came with hours of new content and campaigns while DLCs are overpriced things that would be already in game if they wasnt so rushed or are cut from game purposely for sake of having DLC.

Look at ME 2 DLCs. Story-wise, they add only 4-5 hours of content at best and some weapons and outfits. And together they cost as some full expansion pack that add 5x more of content at least.

DLC sucks and I am proud of not buying them.

The problem isn't with DLC but with how Developers and Publishers use the model, There is a lot of what you are talking about going on in the industry and that needs to get sorted out not all DLC released is like that.

The way Bioware generally does DLC is to release the content that using the model of previous console generations would have never seen the light of day (the Stone Prisoner, Zaeed etc), to test things out (Firewalker) and bridging the gap between games (Lair of the Shadow Broker, Arrival) which are developed after the original game is released is a good thing for gamers that enjoy the game.

[bella127]

Mesina2 wrote...

And I'm wondering why would anyone want to get that crap even for free.

This isn't just a quick comic video, it lets you make the choices from ME1 you want without having to play it, so you can have a variety of choices for a new ME2 character that doesn't have to be imported. Otherwise, every time you start a new game in ME2, the Council will have died, Wrex will have been killed, Udina will be the head of the Human led Council, aliens will hate humans etc. A lot of my ME1 saves got wiped out, so something like this would be great for a person in my situation. Though I do agree that the price seems a bit steep

Modifié par bella127, 22 mai 2011 - 12:36 .

[Varen Spectre]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Babli wrote...

Infinite Legend wrote...

DLC is the worst thing to happen in this generation of gaming. buy are incomplete game and pay for the rest.

This...

DLC is just another way of saying "expansion pack"... 

IMO, as long as developers create new stuff based either on their new ideas or feedback from players after the game has been released, it... is... probably... justifiable.

The problem is that DLC system is tempting developers to deliberately remove / not include some already finished parts of game, which most probably have been intended as a part of the original game at the beginning and charge them separately for relatively high DLC prices (arguably the case of Mafia 2). 

This practice, while completely legitimate, is morally questionable and it is not surprising that many players, as a consequence, not only revolt against these types of DLCs, but against DLC system in general. 

[Commander Shep4rd]

I think they SHOULD charge it for PS3 players after all they dont get ME1 so they are basically getting ME1 for FREE while we have to pay for it
Mass Effect wouldnt have become what it is if it not werent for us 360/PC players
im not saying i HAVE to pay for it but it isnt fair for other people..

Just think about it Xbox/PC  players new to ME who don't have the patience to search several stores jsut to find an used copy of ME1 and want to start with ME2 get flopped by having pay $4 for a godawful 15 minute comic so they can get a few choices out of it
while PS3 players get both the comic and NEARLY all of the expansion packs for free
Seems like bioware wants to make the ps3 players as there primary customers.
just my 2 cents

Modifié par Commander Shep4rd, 22 mai 2011 - 02:18 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Commander Shep4rd wrote...

I think they SHOULD charge it for PS3 players after all they dont get ME1 so they are basically getting ME1 for FREE while we have to pay for it
Mass Effect wouldnt have become what it is if it not werent for us 360/PC players
im not saying i HAVE to pay for it but it isnt fair for other people..

Just think about it Xbox/PC  players new to ME who don't have the patience to search several stores jsut to find an used copy of ME1 and want to start with ME2 get flopped by having pay $4 for a godawful 15 minute comic so they can get a few choices out of it
while PS3 players get both the comic and NEARLY all of the expansion packs for free
Seems like bioware wants to make the ps3 players as there primary customers.
just my 2 cents

Not only are there console wars there is console paranoia now.

[HunterX6]

RainyDayLover wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Playstation players get many things for free

Including Identity theft....

lol XD but anyways we should consider that the ps3 users cant play mass effect 1 no matter what (very sadly indeed!) and even though the comic doesnt even come close to the original mass effect, I think it ease the ps3 users mind knowinhg the xbox players have to pay or just IMAGINE the riot they would cause!

[AngelicMachinery]

Mass Effect Player wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Also, I thought I'd buy every single DLC with Mass Effect in the title, I even bought Pinnacle Station, but as it turns out, this is the first piece of "DLC" that I won't be getting.

Same here. I have bought every bit of DLC so far from ME 1 and 2, but this comic is just far to ridiculous for me to even consider. What with free save editors widely available, and ME1 easily available for five bucks depending where you look... 

Now if they had included a wider range of decisions, and gave us a QUALITY comic to work with I would have bought it and applauded bioware. But... Quick someone post the pic of Wrex from the comic. That is all people need to see to make a decision.

Then this only proves my point as to why this comic should have been free in the first place. I like the first game but, it only gets repetitive after a while. And second I believe their are some people (including me) that would rather play the game naturally than use a editor.

The comic is a the equivalent to a save game editor with pictures.  I'm just saying.

[jimbo32]

Using the save editor to modify the choices isn't the easiest or best way to do things. There's a website with a ton of ME1 save files available for download that allow you to choose the options you want. Import the save, load your facecode, choose your class, and you're done. Why anyone would give EA money for the same functionality is completely beyond my understanding. It doesn't matter if it's $4 or $400.

I don't mind paying for actual downloadable content so long as it adds something to the game. Overlord, Kasumi, and especially Lair of the Shadowbroker were all worth every penny imo. The value of the weapon and appearance packs are debateable I guess. Some people really like them and I can see that, even if I disagree.

Genesis, however, is not actual content, but rather added functionality that probably should've been included with the original game. It didn't even have to be a comic - a page during character creation allowing you to make some choices would've been fine. A brief paragraph explaining the backround of each choice, and a button for each option. How hard would that have been to implement?

[Anihilus]

Are we keeping in mind that ME2 PS3 was sold at full retail price? They had to pay $60 for the core game, the expansions, AND the comic. While us Xbox/PC users paid $20 for the core game and if you add together the expansions thats roughly around the same price give or take a few dollars.