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[purplesunset]

I've been reading through a lot of these threads and a huge percentage of the arguements made by the people against the DLC are due to sheer ignorance of economics.

Ignorant argument against DLC: "Why does it cost $5? $7?  It's not worth that much!" 

Because it was determinede that this was a price that many people would be willing to pay. Value isn't an inherent thing. It's not a magical thing that floats around in the air. Humans are the ones who assign value when they assess how much they would be willing to spend to obtain said object.

It's like the people who complain..."why do fat athletes get paid millions, while professors who do more important work get paid much less?" The answer is...it's your fault you idiot. If you're willing to spend x amount on sports tickets, sports t-shirts, sports boots, sports drinks etc.  then you contribute to  creating the demand and assigning the value to sports which in turn translates to higher salaries for the athletes.

If people feel that a certain DLC is worth the $5 or $7 to them, then they have the right to buy it at that price.

There. Even though I am philosophically against DLC, I see no reason whatsoever to interfere with people who want to buy it and consequently  increase the value (and possibly also increase the price depending on elasticity) of future DLC's. That's the value they assign to it, and they have the right to spend their money for it.

[Chamucks Deluxe]

I'm not going to protest DLC because I don't want to pay five dollars. I know I'll enjoy it, and I'll like looking at goldy lookin' armor, sooooo SOLD.

[DJoker35]

purplesunset wrote...

I've been reading through a lot of these threads and a huge percentage of the arguements made by the people against the DLC are due to sheer ignorance of economics.

Ignorant argument against DLC: "Why does it cost $5? $7?  It's not worth that much!" 

Because it was determinede that this was a price that many people would be willing to pay. Value isn't an inherent thing. It's not a magical thing that floats around in the air. Humans are the ones who assign value when they assess how much they would be willing to spend to obtain said object.

It's like the people who complain..."why do fat athletes get paid millions, while professors who do more important work get paid much less?" The answer is...it's your fault you idiot. If you're willing to spend x amount on sports tickets, sports t-shirts, sports boots, sports drinks etc.  then you contribute to  creating the demand and assigning the value to sports which in turn translates to higher salaries for the athletes.

If people feel that a certain DLC is worth the $5 or $7 to them, then they have the right to buy it at that price.

There. Even though I am philosophically against DLC, I see no reason whatsoever to interfere with people who want to buy it and consequently  increase the value (and possibly also increase the price depending on elasticity) of future DLC's. That's the value they assign to it, and they have the right to spend their money for it.

/signed

Very well put.

Modifié par DJoker35, 19 novembre 2009 - 09:38 .

[Sloth Of Doom]

Oh look another DLC thread. The other 15 weren't enough.

[HoLyEmperor]

There. Even though I am philosophically against DLC, I see no reason whatsoever to interfere with people who want to buy it and consequently  increase the value (and possibly also increase the price depending on elasticity) of future DLC's. That's the value they assign to it, and they have the right to spend their money for it.

Are you also philosophically against expansion packs that cost $40-50 and must be purchased in a traditional store?  If not, how do you distinguish the two?

[the_one_54321]

purplesunset wrote...
Because it was determinede that this was a price that many people would be willing to pay. Value isn't an inherent thing. It's not a magical thing that floats around in the air. Humans are the ones who assign value when they assess how much they would be willing to spend to obtain said object.

It's like the people who complain..."why do fat athletes get paid millions, while professors who do more important work get paid much less?" The answer is...it's your fault you idiot. If you're willing to spend x amount on sports tickets, sports t-shirts, sports boots, sports drinks etc.  then you contribute to  creating the demand and assigning the value to sports which in turn translates to higher salaries for the athletes.

this is precisely right.

and this is precisely why i refuse to buy the DLC.

it's stupid. it's wasteful. it's benefit is disproportionately small to what you pay for it. i will not be one of those suckers. the whole world may come crashing down with the weight of all the other suckers out there who are more than happy to ruin the value of things because they are willing to just hand over their wallets instead of saying "no, not until you make it more worth my while," but i will not join in. i dont jump off the bridge just because everyone else is doing it. i am not the frog in the pot of slow boiling water.

does everyone else have a right to be one of these people? hell yes they do. making bad decisions is everyones right. but that doesnt mean i have to join in, and it certainly doesnt mean that i am not allowed to protest the systems that promote this.

you'll never see my paying for stadium tickets, and you'll never see me paying for DLC.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 19 novembre 2009 - 09:42 .

[Chamucks Deluxe]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Oh look another DLC thread. The other 15 weren't enough.

This one is Bioware endorsed.
Excellent moderating actually.

[F-C]

i dont think its wrong for players to attach some measure of time played versus money spent when it comes to DLC content.



its usually not about weather they can spend 5-10$ or not. i mean people who troll about that kind of thing just want to troll forums. even a child can go mow a lawn and make 10$.



its what people consider worth the money. if it takes said child an hour to mow a lawn and earn his 10$, then he spends that on DLC and only gets 30 minutes of enjoyment out of it, he will feel taken advantage of.



the ends did not justify the means.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

5$ is nothing, even for a homeless hobo... people just love QQ`ing

[Chamucks Deluxe]

People have been saying how tough it is to script new levels using the toolset. I think for 5 bucks having them do it for you + legit voice acting is enough in its own right. They gotta pay wages to do this stuff. I highly doubt its done in a day after licensing and what not.

[addiction21]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Or maybe it required more effort and cost than people care to realize?

/shrug

IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!  DLC's should cost in exact correlation of how many hours I spent playing DAO and how much time I spend playing the DLC. 

[anonygoose]

Obvious fanboy is obvious.



OP: I agree with leaving everyone to decide for themselves whether they want it. For some that's clearly not an option though

[Velz]

I think $7 for Warden's Keep when you look at how much content it has vs the entire game you pay $50 for might be a bit "expensive". But again, if it's worth it to you....

[Wolff Laarcen]

Chamucks Deluxe wrote...
This one is Bioware endorsed.

Sure it is, because it says what they want.  duh!

[Dalereth]

Finally someone said it. It isn't a moral or philosophical debate. It's economics. Bioware can put out downloadable content that will add 16 seconds of gameplay and charge $5 for it and it still isn't about right and wrong, but consumer choice.



I'm not a fan of the DLC idea and it sours me a bit to buy it, but the fact is I spent more on lunch today than I will on Dragon Age DLC, so who am I to get up in arms about it?



My preference is for more substantive expansions that really add to the game, but if this is my option that's fine too.

[daem3an]

I have to agree with the OP (except for the part about being against DLC). Whether or not I personally feel something was worth the money I paid for it has no bearing on how the price was determined in order to get the most sales.

[Chamucks Deluxe]

Wolff Laarcen wrote...

Chamucks Deluxe wrote...
This one is Bioware endorsed.

Sure it is, because it says what they want.  duh!

The other ones are flame wars. Mod was right, the tone of this one is more discussion than heated war with words. And seriously, conspiracy theories about a video game company?? "Its what they want you to know!" My god.

[Eurypterid]

A good post, Purple.



It comes down to personal judgment, of course. While you can't just judge the value by length alone, I'll admit that I'm skeptical that a $5 price tag is worth only about an hour of play time, even though I do realize there are extra costs involved with having VO, among other factors. I'll likely buy this DLC though and see what I feel after completing it. If it feels like it's fair value for the money, I'll be inclined to buy more. If not, I'll certainly hesitate before buying any DLC again.

[Aidunno]

For me it's not a case of if it is worth it, it's the fact it's only available electronically. I still prefer to go to a store and buy something.



However it is a sad fact of life that it's good marketing to get people to pay 10x5$ rather than $30 for an expansion as they can easily justify $5 regularly as it's only the cost of a pizza whatever. The flip side is you can pick and choose which content you want when you purchase. For the reason previously mentioned I'll wait until the DLC's are bundled as a "pack" purchasable in a store.



I said before somewhere else, full credit to Bioware for releasing the toolkit enabling others to produce competitive mods which means their DLC's will need to be good if they want to charge money.

[Wolff Laarcen]

Chamucks Deluxe wrote...
And seriously, conspiracy theories about a video game company?? "Its what they want you to know!" My god.

Hey!  Dont hate on the conspiracies.  They could be ANYWHERE!

[Chamucks Deluxe]

You will waist 5 dollars on a lot of things that are half as well crafted as any Bioware DLC or product for that matter. If you love it, how can you put a price on it? The economics add up for me personally because, to go play shinny on Sunday nights is 10 bucks for 2 hours. Swimming pool is 8 bucks for 2 hours. Movies... 10 bucks for 1-2 hours. 5 dollar foot long 5 dollars. The list goes on. It makes sense to me because in the realm of entertainment its an excellent deal.

[Sceptic83]

More or less than 4 hours of quality game would be honest for $5. As it would 30 hours of an expansion for $40. One hour or less for $5 is like making a 30hours expansion for $150. Insane.

[the_one_54321]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...
I mean look at all the instantly amazing stuff that the community has made with the tool-kit. It's already been 2 weeks and I've played through tens of hours of dungeons and fully voiced mini-stories.

have you really, or are you being sarcastic? i havent been able to look into any mods yet, so i really dont know.