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[Imryll]

I think both Bioware and its fans are feeling their way here. Early on I'm fairly inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. If I find myself not enjoying the DLCs--or not enough to warrant their cost--I'll stop buying them. If Bioware notices a decline in DLC sales, I'm guessing they'll adjust price and/or content to increase interest. Certainly it took Bethesda awhile to find the sweet spot for DLC for their games. No reason to think it will play out differently with Bioware.

[HoLyEmperor]

Imryll wrote...

I think both Bioware and its fans are feeling their way here. Early on I'm fairly inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. If I find myself not enjoying the DLCs--or not enough to warrant their cost--I'll stop buying them. If Bioware notices a decline in DLC sales, I'm guessing they'll adjust price and/or content to increase interest. Certainly it took Bethesda awhile to find the sweet spot for DLC for their games. No reason to think it will play out differently with Bioware.

I actually liked Bethesda's first DLC best.  

[Pseudo310]

Wolff Laarcen wrote...

Chamucks Deluxe wrote...
And seriously, conspiracy theories about a video game company?? "Its what they want you to know!" My god.

Hey!  Dont hate on the conspiracies.  They could be ANYWHERE!

DLC is all ACORN's fault.

[Chamucks Deluxe]

I bet you anything, that for under 5 dollars they wouldn't even talk about it. They HAVE to make money. The point of business. There products kick ass, so naturally I would love for everything they sell to do well.

[makeshiftwings7]

the_one_54321 wrote...

it's stupid. it's wasteful. it's benefit is disproportionately small to what you pay for it. i will not be one of those suckers. the whole world may come crashing down with the weight of all the other suckers out there who are more than happy to ruin the value of things because they are willing to just hand over their wallets instead of saying "no, not until you make it more worth my while," but i will not join in. i dont jump off the bridge just because everyone else is doing it. i am not the frog in the pot of slow boiling water.

Wow, miserly much?  I pay $5 for coffee and a donut, and that's only a few minutes of entertainment.  It's less than half of what I pay when I go out to dinner or to go see a movie.  If you're really poor or still living with your parents then $5 might be a huge deal to you, but for anyone who's making at least minimum wage it's not the heartwrenching ordeal it seems to be to you.  And if $5 is such a huge chunk of your income that you can't bear to part with it, then you should probably be studying or looking for a new job rather than playing video games.

[montana_boy]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Or maybe it required more effort and cost than people care to realize?

/shrug

Why do you hang all that junk on your posts?

[purplesunset]

Chamucks Deluxe wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Oh look another DLC thread. The other 15 weren't enough.

This one is Bioware endorsed.
Excellent moderating actually.

Ha ha. funny you should say that. If anything, Bioware probably hates me because I tend to be rather honest and a rather harsh critic (i.e. the complete opposite of a fanboi).  But I do love Bioware, and gaming is one thing that I am really really  really passionate about. Hopefully that passion shows through.

Modifié par purplesunset, 19 novembre 2009 - 09:59 .

[Chamucks Deluxe]

makeshiftwings7 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

it's stupid. it's wasteful. it's benefit is disproportionately small to what you pay for it. i will not be one of those suckers. the whole world may come crashing down with the weight of all the other suckers out there who are more than happy to ruin the value of things because they are willing to just hand over their wallets instead of saying "no, not until you make it more worth my while," but i will not join in. i dont jump off the bridge just because everyone else is doing it. i am not the frog in the pot of slow boiling water.

Wow, miserly much?  I pay $5 for coffee and a donut, and that's only a few minutes of entertainment.  It's less than half of what I pay when I go out to dinner or to go see a movie.  If you're really poor or still living with your parents then $5 might be a huge deal to you, but for anyone who's making at least minimum wage it's not the heartwrenching ordeal it seems to be to you.  And if $5 is such a huge chunk of your income that you can't bear to part with it, then you should probably be studying or looking for a new job rather than playing video games.

OR PICK BOTTLES!!!!!

Bottles rule!

[the_one_54321]

Chamucks Deluxe wrote...

You will waist 5 dollars on a lot of things that are half as well crafted as any Bioware DLC or product for that matter. If you love it, how can you put a price on it? The economics add up for me personally because, to go play shinny on Sunday nights is 10 bucks for 2 hours. Swimming pool is 8 bucks for 2 hours. Movies... 10 bucks for 1-2 hours. 5 dollar foot long 5 dollars. The list goes on. It makes sense to me because in the realm of entertainment its an excellent deal.

the reason i disagree with this is because i think you should be looking at the same way the companies look at it. instead of thinking "i spend this on this and i get this, and this other thing compares this way," you should be thinking "the developers have offered this, but i could get them to give me this instead if i push them for it." because that's exactly how they are looking at us, and apparently it's ok for them to do it. if they're going to try and drip dry us of what's in our wallet, we should be looking to do the same to them. that would be the way a smart consumer looks at it. that would be the way to get the most enjoyment that this company has to offer you. if it's fair trade when they do it, then it's fair trade for us to do it as well.

[vizering]

Renting a movie costs me 5 bucks... a beer costs me 5 bucks including tip and I can down a beer in less than a minute. Arcades sometimes costs 1 buck for 1 race car race.



DLC will effectively eliminate pirating when software developers realize they can sell the prologue to the game for 10 bucks and then unlock the game for another 40-50 and then add more DLC.



This is the direction gaming is heading... think about it.



Anybody who pirates, has net access and can thus download the game and dlc. This game-content downloading method is just evolution of video game entertainment.

[Pseudo310]

Understanding economics ruins my immersion.

[Maria Caliban]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Oh look another DLC thread. The other 15 weren't enough.

Everyone's super special opinion on the same subject deserves its own thread.

[the_one_54321]

makeshiftwings7 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

it's stupid. it's wasteful. it's benefit is disproportionately small to what you pay for it. i will not be one of those suckers. the whole world may come crashing down with the weight of all the other suckers out there who are more than happy to ruin the value of things because they are willing to just hand over their wallets instead of saying "no, not until you make it more worth my while," but i will not join in. i dont jump off the bridge just because everyone else is doing it. i am not the frog in the pot of slow boiling water.

Wow, miserly much?  I pay $5 for coffee and a donut, and that's only a few minutes of entertainment.  It's less than half of what I pay when I go out to dinner or to go see a movie.  If you're really poor or still living with your parents then $5 might be a huge deal to you, but for anyone who's making at least minimum wage it's not the heartwrenching ordeal it seems to be to you.  And if $5 is such a huge chunk of your income that you can't bear to part with it, then you should probably be studying or looking for a new job rather than playing video games.

way to bring flames to the party. <_<

i make plenty of money, thanks. it's not that i think $5 is a huge amount of money it's that im a smart consumer. and i manage my money well. which is a hell of a lot more than most of the people around here can likely say.

[purplesunset]

Imryll wrote...

I think both Bioware and its fans are feeling their way here. Early on I'm fairly inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. If I find myself not enjoying the DLCs--or not enough to warrant their cost--I'll stop buying them. If Bioware notices a decline in DLC sales, I'm guessing they'll adjust price and/or content to increase interest. Certainly it took Bethesda awhile to find the sweet spot for DLC for their games. No reason to think it will play out differently with Bioware.

Good post. It also shows that the best arguement that people against DLC can make is to simply not buy. Don't whine and complain, just hold on to your cash. You're chipping away at the value of DLC with each purchase you didn't make.


If you prefer one large expansion pack instead of multiple small  DLC's , then show it to Bioware by buying it if they ever choose to release a large $30 expansion pack.

[HoLyEmperor]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Oh look another DLC thread. The other 15 weren't enough.

Everyone's super special opinion on the same subject deserves its own thread.

This is how blogs originated. 

[eyesofastorm]

purplesunset wrote...

I've been reading through a lot of these threads and a huge percentage of the arguements made by the people against the DLC are due to sheer ignorance of economics.

Ignorant argument against DLC: "Why does it cost $5? $7?  It's not worth that much!" 

Because it was determinede that this was a price that many people would be willing to pay. Value isn't an inherent thing. It's not a magical thing that floats around in the air. Humans are the ones who assign value when they assess how much they would be willing to spend to obtain said object.

It's like the people who complain..."why do fat athletes get paid millions, while professors who do more important work get paid much less?" The answer is...it's your fault you idiot. If you're willing to spend x amount on sports tickets, sports t-shirts, sports boots, sports drinks etc.  then you contribute to  creating the demand and assigning the value to sports which in turn translates to higher salaries for the athletes.

If people feel that a certain DLC is worth the $5 or $7 to them, then they have the right to buy it at that price.

There. Even though I am philosophically against DLC, I see no reason whatsoever to interfere with people who want to buy it and consequently  increase the value (and possibly also increase the price depending on elasticity) of future DLC's. That's the value they assign to it, and they have the right to spend their money for it.

I want to interfere because they are setting the expectations for the entire market.  If devs can get away with producing less and earning more, then they absolutely will, and should, do it.  I don't want to stop people who have thought the purchase through and still want to make the purchase.  I only want to make them think a little bit about the cost/value relationship that they are greenlighting.  Demand more and the devs will give it to us if they can.  Demand less and the devs will give us less even if they can give us more. 

[blackwolf1981]

Sceptic83 wrote...

More or less than 4 hours of quality game would be honest for $5. As it would 30 hours of an expansion for $40. One hour or less for $5 is like making a 30hours expansion for $150. Insane.

Which most likely is precisely why the DLC is being sold in small chunks rather than in one solid expansion pack. The sole function of any company is to make money.....as much money as possible.

Think about the whole idea of day one DLC. It could have been in the game.....but it isn't. Why?  Because people will pay for it. Bioware, like any other company is seeking to make as much profit as the market will bear.

And I'll bet dollars to donuts that at some point they will release a compilation of  DLC at some point in the future for a reduced price.

[eyesofastorm]

purplesunset wrote...

Imryll wrote...

I think both Bioware and its fans are feeling their way here. Early on I'm fairly inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. If I find myself not enjoying the DLCs--or not enough to warrant their cost--I'll stop buying them. If Bioware notices a decline in DLC sales, I'm guessing they'll adjust price and/or content to increase interest. Certainly it took Bethesda awhile to find the sweet spot for DLC for their games. No reason to think it will play out differently with Bioware.

Good post. It also shows that the best arguement that people against DLC can make is to simply not buy. Don't whine and complain, just hold on to your cash. You're chipping away at the value of DLC with each purchase you didn't make.


If you prefer one large expansion pack instead of multiple small  DLC's , then show it to Bioware by buying it if they ever choose to release a large $30 expansion pack.

Ah, but whining and complaining in coherent, intelligent ways may help to sway others into NOT buying the thimble sized offerings and more quickly sway the pendulum back towards actual expansion packs and good value for consumers. 

[Chamucks Deluxe]

purplesunset wrote...

Chamucks Deluxe wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Oh look another DLC thread. The other 15 weren't enough.

This one is Bioware endorsed.
Excellent moderating actually.

Ha ha. funny you should say that. If anything, Bioware probably hates me because I tend to be rather honest and a rather harsh critic (i.e. the complete opposite of a fanboi).  But I do love Bioware, and gaming is one thing that I am really really  really passionate about. Hopefully that passion shows through.

But when nothing is constructive at all in any way, its just complaining. Sometimes I read through here looking for the good stuff and im entirely disheartened by the non stop "this game is crap" talk. It's frustrating. Every little detail that doesn't conform to everyone at the same time is criticized and picked on. Thats not constructive, your just bashing. There are very few legit concerns here and the ones that are get flamed out.
When I have to spend almost 20 minutes digging through the Q&A thread to find answers because everyones crying about how 5 dollars for an hour of entertainment is suddenly outrageous it pisses me off.
This game is awesome, few who are actually registered here can contest that (if you hate it and your registered and active here... ahhh nevermind). I can't fathom it. 5 dollars is NOTHING. I repeat NOTHING. What else can you get thats this entertaining for five dollars? If they leach you whiners, I'm glad. All your **** talk on most occasions is just long winded drivel about why this game isn't perfect and because of that you want your money back. There are good people on here, that really contribute and answer stupid questions diligently without flame, I applaud you. You rock, and if it wasn't for those few I wouldn't waste my time here. But you few helpfuls make it worth the digging required.

[Ralsar]

I'll pay whatever Bioware wants me to pay. More, more, more!!!

[TimelordDC]

Sceptic83 wrote...

More or less than 4 hours of quality game would be honest for $5. As it would 30 hours of an expansion for $40. One hour or less for $5 is like making a 30hours expansion for $150. Insane.

I don't know how many games you have played recently but the length of DA:O is an exception, not the norm. If you want to use that as a reference for all future DLC packs, you (and anyone else using that argument) is going to be very disappointed.
There are no 30-hour expansion packs anymore. Heck, there aren't even many 30-hour games out there and they still sell for $50/$60.
A 5-year development cycle needs payoffs and DLCs are one way to do it.

[the_one_54321]

eyesofastorm wrote...
I only want to make them think a little bit about the cost/value relationship that they are greenlighting.  Demand more and the devs will give it to us if they can.  Demand less and the devs will give us less even if they can give us more. 

precisely.

a lot of people have said "this is the future of gaming, get with it or get off the wagon." it's only the future of gaming if you let it be the future of gaming. if you want more, then stop being so easy to push over and just dont buy it until they offer more for the money.

[KalDurenik]

People saying DLC stop pirates are either drunk or have never ever been to a torrent website. You can find all the DLC the moment its release on any illegal website if you so wish. DLC helps nothing against pirates. Pirates are (from a marketing point of view) not even seen as customers.