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[Drachasor]

ScepticMatt wrote...
User reviews on metacritic are on average more extreme and lower then critic reviews. Also people rate based on emotions. If they feel promises were broken or they're being ripped of, some feel the need to punish by rating low. Likewise if they feel this game/developer deserves support many will rate higher. Though actually reading some of them often gives me a better idea about the game then many 'professional' reviews.

All reviews are based on emotions.  Enjoyment is an emotion and all the various ways to appreciate design fundamentally come down to emotions.

User reviews ARE more extreme than critic reviews, but that's because critic reviews are generally worthless, as I am sure most people agree.  A horrible game can easily get a 7 or 8 by a "critic" review.  Scores 1-5 basically never appear, no matter how bad a game is.  User reviews actually use the whole spectrum, allowing for more nuanced ratings.  Of course, one has to take the aggregate score in some form or another for this to work (though it would be nice if they also showed the median as well as the mean, or even a full curve of ratings).

Anyhow, I'd take the aggregate user review any day over some "critic" review that is biased because the website/magazine is dependant on ad revenue from the company whose game they are reviewing.  I mean, heck, most critic reviews of DA2 don't even mention recycled maps -- they're ridiculous.

[Wulfram]

The average user score is pretty useless because it's self selecting

[Zjarcal]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
I also fail to understand why it's necessary for people to seek validation or vindication of their opinions via these review scores. Surely, the only perception of a video game that truly matters is that of the individual, correct? I love Dragon Age II, and I don't particularly care if some weird guy from Arkansas thinks it's bad.

This.

Many of my favorite games have aggregate user scores that are not very high. That hasn't lessened my enjoyment of them. On the other hand, I've played more than a few games that had ultra high scores and I hated them, so I couldn't care less about scores (user or professional).

Modifié par Zjarcal, 22 mai 2011 - 09:23 .

[BeardedNinja]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

If, like me, you've come to think of the average "gamer" as an infantile, self-entitled, whining little brat, then no, you don't interpret metacritic user scores as an unequivocal representation of quality.

Ditto.

I also fail to understand why it's necessary for people to seek validation or vindication of their opinions via these review scores. Surely, the only perception of a video game that truly matters is that of the individual, correct? I love Dragon Age II, and I don't particularly care if some weird guy from Arkansas thinks it's bad.

That, and review scores aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Especially when considering the fact that the Halo series is critically acclaimed, but I digress.

Hey , there's nothing wrong with people from Arkansas thank you very much 

[astrallite]

This is the first time I've heard the excuse of a low aggregate metacritic score being attributed to being raided by 4chan haters.

If that were true you know, you would be able to come up with a single piece of evidence like a comparable game that was raided on metacritic.

Of course Biotards have only one example: Dragon Age 2. That's enough evidence apparently for a statistical finding.

Modifié par astrallite, 22 mai 2011 - 09:31 .

[Icinix]

Its funny because in The Witcher 2 and GOG forums, there have been / are being made comments that claim 4chan is the one posting the negative scores for TW2 and saying how they should have been more like BioWare.

[ScepticMatt]

Drachasor wrote...
All reviews are based on emotions.  Enjoyment is an emotion and all the various ways to appreciate design fundamentally come down to emotions.

What I meant is that paid reviewers generally don't consider things like broken promises, DLC or DRM as much in their score as users do.

Drachasor wrote...
Scores 1-5 basically never appear, no matter how bad a game is. 

True, scores have inflated far too much.

Modifié par ScepticMatt, 22 mai 2011 - 09:30 .

[Marionetten]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

If, like me, you've come to think of the average "gamer" as an infantile, self-entitled, whining little brat, then no, you don't interpret metacritic user scores as an unequivocal representation of quality.

Ditto.

I also fail to understand why it's necessary for people to seek validation or vindication of their opinions via these review scores. Surely, the only perception of a video game that truly matters is that of the individual, correct? I love Dragon Age II, and I don't particularly care if some weird guy from Arkansas thinks it's bad.

That, and review scores aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Especially when considering the fact that the Halo series is critically acclaimed, but I digress.

Sure beats seeking validation and vindication by insulting your peers as infantile, self-entitled, whining little brats.

[astrallite]

^

I think what they are trying to say is 3 Ninjas: High Noon is the greatest movie ever made, and if you disagree like 99.99999% of the rest of the population that makes you a whiny brat and your opinion is irrelevant.

Modifié par astrallite, 22 mai 2011 - 09:36 .

[Mrbananagrabber]

Like it or not, pro reviews sell games. Many people hold on till (X) mag reviews a game before buying it. Most people don't even read the goddamn review, they just check the score from their favorite mag and buy the game.

And don't you even try to tell me otherwise, I've worked in a EBgames for 4 years during college, I've talked with my share of gamers of all ages, I was one of those talkative guys who dont stand behind a cash register, who actually know their games and try to get the best product for it's client by asking them questions.

This is why so many mags have such high score reviews, but when you bother to read the text itself it seems odd...somehow the high score does not reflect what the review says at all...

Odd...but when you rationalize things, with ME3 coming out and the gaming mags on the brink of extinction, it's quite easy to figure it out. I'll leave it at that.

[Abispa]

Metacritic seems to be something Bioware and other companies enjoy using to validate their games' success, but take issue when it isn't favorable. I enjoyed DA2 a lot, despite it's many flaws, but I recognize that it wasn't as well received as ME2.

As for The Witcher series, after much posting about it on these forums and some favorable reviews, I decided to give it a shot. I think the action is definitely very well done, but the acting and character animations during cut scenes is TRULY cringe-worthy. True, a video game's cut scenes aren't supposed to be more important than the action, but they do help in establishing your hero as someone you can care about, and I couldn't care less about that hero, and action segments are done better than The Witcher and DA2 in other games.

However, if YOU love The Witcher, I'm not going to insult you. Everyone has a right to enjoy whatever game strikes their fancy without being insulted.

I'll wait to see the new Elder Scrolls game and check out whether the expansions and DLCs for DA2 address the concerns to the Bioware fanbase.

Modifié par Abispa, 22 mai 2011 - 09:47 .

[MorrigansLove]

After the Arrival DLC for ME2, is anyone else getting a little worried for ME3?

Anyway, I think we all should've know DA2 would be a disaster, after the abysmal "Witch Hunt" which was meant to be the "definitive ending of origins".

Alas some of us, including myself, hyped up the game, nonetheless, and in the end all we given in our begging hands was a big fat turd.

[Malanek]

The only thing the metacritic scores say is how pointless user metacritic scores are. I'm not saying DA2 was a great game nor that The Witcher 2 is a bad game, just that anyone pointing to metacritic to judge these games is having a laugh.

[astrallite]

Malanek999 wrote...

The only thing the metacritic scores say is how pointless user metacritic scores are. I'm not saying DA2 was a great game nor that The Witcher 2 is a bad game, just that anyone pointing to metacritic to judge these games is having a laugh.

Your right, popular opinion is laughable. The proletariat don't respect the awesome.

Modifié par astrallite, 22 mai 2011 - 09:45 .

[Abispa]

MorrigansLove wrote...

After the Arrival DLC for ME2, is anyone else getting a little worried for ME3?

Anyway, I think we all should've know DA2 would be a disaster, after the abysmal "Witch Hunt" which was meant to be the "definitive ending of origins".

Alas some of us, including myself, hyped up the game, nonetheless, and in the end all we given in our begging hands was a big fat turd.

Arrival was nothing but a short, cheap and entertaining commercial for ME3. It was better than Witch Hunt (though, really, what kind of definite ending were you expecting -- a tombstone saying "here lies the Warden"), but I knew what it was going in, so I'm not griping. It was optional, and I didn't have to spend the money if I didn't want to.

[Malanek]

astrallite wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

The only thing the metacritic scores say is how pointless user metacritic scores are. I'm not saying DA2 was a great game nor that The Witcher 2 is a bad game, just that anyone pointing to metacritic to judge these games is having a laugh.

Your right, popular opinion is laughable. The proletariat don't respect the awesome.

The point is it's not a genuine popular opinion. It's a bunch of pathetic noisy trolls with an incredibly lame and unconstructive agenda.

[Mrbananagrabber]

Abispa wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

After the Arrival DLC for ME2, is anyone else getting a little worried for ME3?

Anyway, I think we all should've know DA2 would be a disaster, after the abysmal "Witch Hunt" which was meant to be the "definitive ending of origins".

Alas some of us, including myself, hyped up the game, nonetheless, and in the end all we given in our begging hands was a big fat turd.

Arrival was nothing but a short, cheap and entertaining commercial for ME3. It was better than Witch Hunt (though, really, what kind of definite ending were you expecting -- a tombstone saying "here lies the Warden"), but I knew what it was going in, so I'm not griping. It was optional, and I didn't have to spend the money if I didn't want to.

Seeing Morrigan more than 2 minutes might've been, you know, nice.

[LiquidGrape]

astrallite wrote...

^

I think what they are trying to say is 3 Ninjas: High Noon is the greatest movie ever made, and if you disagree like 99.99999% of the rest of the population that makes you a whiny brat and your opinion is irrelevant.

Actually, what I'm trying to say is that until the average user review contains more critical thinking than it does hyperbole, I don't think they are indicative of anything truly meaningful.

[Mrbananagrabber]

Malanek999 wrote...

astrallite wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

The only thing the metacritic scores say is how pointless user metacritic scores are. I'm not saying DA2 was a great game nor that The Witcher 2 is a bad game, just that anyone pointing to metacritic to judge these games is having a laugh.

Your right, popular opinion is laughable. The proletariat don't respect the awesome.

The point is it's not a genuine popular opinion. It's a bunch of pathetic noisy trolls with an incredibly lame and unconstructive agenda.

820 trolls. Only on PC, not counting XBOX or PS3.

Keep deluding yourself friend.

[MorrigansLove]

Abispa wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

After the Arrival DLC for ME2, is anyone else getting a little worried for ME3?

Anyway, I think we all should've know DA2 would be a disaster, after the abysmal "Witch Hunt" which was meant to be the "definitive ending of origins".

Alas some of us, including myself, hyped up the game, nonetheless, and in the end all we given in our begging hands was a big fat turd.

Arrival was nothing but a short, cheap and entertaining commercial for ME3. It was better than Witch Hunt (though, really, what kind of definite ending were you expecting -- a tombstone saying "here lies the Warden"), but I knew what it was going in, so I'm not griping. It was optional, and I didn't have to spend the money if I didn't want to.

I expected questions to be answered, really.

Also, Witch Hunt was actually a complete waste of time, because, as people have stated, if it was just a commercial for DA2, why wasn't Flemeth actually a relevant character in the story? She had no purpose, whatsoever, other than "just being there so we don't forget this is a Dragon Age sequel".

[Mrbananagrabber]

LiquidGrape wrote...

astrallite wrote...

^

I think what they are trying to say is 3 Ninjas: High Noon is the greatest movie ever made, and if you disagree like 99.99999% of the rest of the population that makes you a whiny brat and your opinion is irrelevant.

Actually, what I'm trying to say is that until the average user review contains more critical thinking than it does hyperbole, I don't think they are indicative of anything truly meaningful.

I read plenty of negative user reviews with meat on the bone. But I have a feeling your idea on DAII was already formed long before the game even came out, so I'm not going to bother discussing the subject with you. You are probably one of those who think Bioware is the target of some devilish secret society bent on seeing them ran into the ground for no reason, and not just reaping what they sowed when they decided to spit on it's fanbase.

[Abispa]

Mrbananagrabber wrote...

Abispa wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

After the Arrival DLC for ME2, is anyone else getting a little worried for ME3?

Anyway, I think we all should've know DA2 would be a disaster, after the abysmal "Witch Hunt" which was meant to be the "definitive ending of origins".

Alas some of us, including myself, hyped up the game, nonetheless, and in the end all we given in our begging hands was a big fat turd.

Arrival was nothing but a short, cheap and entertaining commercial for ME3. It was better than Witch Hunt (though, really, what kind of definite ending were you expecting -- a tombstone saying "here lies the Warden"), but I knew what it was going in, so I'm not griping. It was optional, and I didn't have to spend the money if I didn't want to.

Seeing Morrigan more than 2 minutes might've been, you know, nice.

She was there long enough to 1) sucker the Warden who was stupid enough to go ino the mirror so she could kill and eat him, 2) tell the player to buy DA2 to see Flemeth again, and/or 3) have the The Warden give her a wonderful surprise (insert Mortal Kombat VA "Fatality!" here).

[Siansonea]

Gosh, I guess there weren't enough "Dragon Age 2 Sux And You Suck And So There" threads already.

[Malanek]

Mrbananagrabber wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

astrallite wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

The only thing the metacritic scores say is how pointless user metacritic scores are. I'm not saying DA2 was a great game nor that The Witcher 2 is a bad game, just that anyone pointing to metacritic to judge these games is having a laugh.

Your right, popular opinion is laughable. The proletariat don't respect the awesome.

The point is it's not a genuine popular opinion. It's a bunch of pathetic noisy trolls with an incredibly lame and unconstructive agenda.

820 trolls. Only on PC, not counting XBOX or PS3.

Keep deluding yourself friend.

820 internet trolls is actually an unimpressive number. You can tell they are a troll just by reading their comments. By the way I'm not saying that a large number of people were not disapointed by DA2 (there were and it was a lot higher than 820) just that metacritic scores have proven to be utter garbage thanks to those trolls.