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[Oopsieoops]

Malanek999 wrote...

The only thing the metacritic scores say is how pointless professional metacritic scores are.

Fix'd. :innocent:

[astrallite]

Yep. Dragon Age 2 got trolled. Big time.

The first game in the history of metacritic to be undeserving trolled.

Because of that, Metacritic is now laughable and irrelevant. It used to be respectable.

Modifié par astrallite, 22 mai 2011 - 10:08 .

[Mrbananagrabber]

Siansonea II wrote...

Gosh, I guess there weren't enough "Dragon Age 2 Sux And You Suck And So There" threads already.

Tears on your pillow

[Mrbananagrabber]

I just want to say, that everyone who bought DAII at full price, including me sadly, are giving a dangerous signal to the gaming industry: don't spend 4 years making a game, just rush it out the door in 1.5 years and we'll pay even more for it (60 bucks in my case), plus every DLCs you make no matter how crappy (Arrival? Witch Hunt?)

Dangerous game we are playing here, just shows how uninformed the average gamer is. I mean, it can't because we have too much money to spend, unemployment is rising and we're in a recession. Stupidity is the only answer.

[LiquidGrape]

Mrbananagrabber wrote...

I read plenty of negative user reviews with meat on the bone. But I have a feeling your idea on DAII was already formed long before the game even came out, so I'm not going to bother discussing the subject with you. You are probably one of those who think Bioware is the target of some devilish secret society bent on seeing them ran into the ground for no reason, and not just reaping what they sowed when they decided to spit on it's fanbase.

On the contrary. I had no real preconceptions about the game, which, admittedly, might have contributed to my not feeling the same kind of Shakespearean betrayal some people have exhibited.
I liked Origins, but I felt it was lacking in both presentation and intrigue. Two areas which I happen to find crucial to my enjoyment of a game of this type.
As for DA2, I don't think of it as a perfect game by any means. Hell, to be frank it's flawed right up the bum, and in many cases a rather sad demonstration of wasted potential. But I thought it improved and delivered on key points which were most desperately in need of alterations, and I appreciated it for that.

I've read several fair criticisms of the game too, absolutely. A few of them can be found at metacritic. But they aren't somehow indicative of the average review you'll find there. People in droves are allowing their bias to cloud whatever legitimate complaint or argument they might otherwise have made, had they approached the matter more sensibly.

Accusing the developers of "screwing over the PC games because of console playing peasants", that "Bioware should go bankrupt" or that the "game that has simply been created and tampered with to suit frat boys more accustomed to call of duty and halo" is a more accurate reflection of the level of criticism you'll find.

It's likely these people would write a fairly negative review regardless of phrasing. But if they bothered to be constructive, perhaps I could take them seriously.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 22 mai 2011 - 10:13 .

[DrFumb1ezX]

Mrbananagrabber wrote...

I just want to say, that everyone who bought DAII at full price, including me sadly, are giving a dangerous signal to the gaming industry: don't spend 4 years making a game, just rush it out the door in 1.5 years and we'll pay even more for it (60 bucks in my case), plus every DLCs you make no matter how crappy (Arrival? Witch Hunt?)

Dangerous game we are playing here, just shows how uninformed the average gamer is. I mean, it can't because we have too much money to spend, unemployment is rising and we're in a recession. Stupidity is the only answer.

That, uh, chip on your shoulder? It needs some anti-depressants. :innocent:

Modifié par soccerchick, 22 mai 2011 - 10:13 .

[Siansonea]

Mrbananagrabber wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Gosh, I guess there weren't enough "Dragon Age 2 Sux And You Suck And So There" threads already.

Tears on your pillow

What do Little Anthony & The Imperials have to do with anything?

[Vollkeule]

Canada - Poland 0:1 ... i find the metacritic scores quite accurate. for my opinion, da2 would get a little higher score, but not by much. playing tw2 reminded me what da2 lacks as a real rpg and what i have enjoyed in da:o. is tw2 better than da:o? i couldn't say, but probably yes.
i think the weaknesses of da2 were already discussed. not that they were minor...

Yep. Dragon Age 2 got trolled. Big time. Yep. The first game in the history of metacritic to be undeserving trolled.

their opinion vs. yours?

Modifié par Vollkeule, 22 mai 2011 - 10:16 .

[Siansonea]

soccerchick wrote...

Mrbananagrabber wrote...

I just want to say, that everyone who bought DAII at full price, including me sadly, are giving a dangerous signal to the gaming industry: don't spend 4 years making a game, just rush it out the door in 1.5 years and we'll pay even more for it (60 bucks in my case), plus every DLCs you make no matter how crappy (Arrival? Witch Hunt?)

Dangerous game we are playing here, just shows how uninformed the average gamer is. I mean, it can't because we have too much money to spend, unemployment is rising and we're in a recession. Stupidity is the only answer.

That, uh, chip on your shoulder? It needs some anti-depressants. :innocent:

Actually, I was thinking it needed some guacamole. 

[DrFumb1ezX]

Siansonea II wrote...

soccerchick wrote...

Mrbananagrabber wrote...

I just want to say, that everyone who bought DAII at full price, including me sadly, are giving a dangerous signal to the gaming industry: don't spend 4 years making a game, just rush it out the door in 1.5 years and we'll pay even more for it (60 bucks in my case), plus every DLCs you make no matter how crappy (Arrival? Witch Hunt?)

Dangerous game we are playing here, just shows how uninformed the average gamer is. I mean, it can't because we have too much money to spend, unemployment is rising and we're in a recession. Stupidity is the only answer.

That, uh, chip on your shoulder? It needs some anti-depressants. :innocent:

Actually, I was thinking it needed some guacamole. 

I'll get teh chips! 

[Abispa]

What these forums need are some new and original hyperbole. That should liven things up.

[astrallite]

Vollkeule wrote...

Yep. Dragon Age 2 got trolled. Big time. Yep. The first game in the history of metacritic to be undeserving trolled.

their opinion vs. yours?

?

[Mrbananagrabber]

soccerchick wrote...

Mrbananagrabber wrote...

I just want to say, that everyone who bought DAII at full price, including me sadly, are giving a dangerous signal to the gaming industry: don't spend 4 years making a game, just rush it out the door in 1.5 years and we'll pay even more for it (60 bucks in my case), plus every DLCs you make no matter how crappy (Arrival? Witch Hunt?)

Dangerous game we are playing here, just shows how uninformed the average gamer is. I mean, it can't because we have too much money to spend, unemployment is rising and we're in a recession. Stupidity is the only answer.

That, uh, chip on your shoulder? It needs some anti-depressants. :innocent:

Right right very constructive. I'll gladly swallow a whole bottle of those as soon as you agree to take those pink-tinted glasses off.

[Malanek]

Oopsieoops wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

The only thing the metacritic scores say is how pointless professional metacritic scores are.

Fix'd. :innocent:

I really disliked "fixed" quotes. Particularly this one, the critical metacritic scores are a lot more accurate than the user ones, largely because they are genuine opinion which they have to stand behind and defend their arguments.

[Mecher3k]

Malanek999, must be nice to be able to deny reality so much with out having to be on some powerful drugs.

[Firky]

Sigh. I just had a quick scan of user reviews out of interest.

The conclusion I would draw - based on a quick look - is that the only people who go to Metacritic at all is those that want to hate on DAII some more. A large percentage of the 10s mention how they don't like DAII. Many of the 0s don't look like DAII defenders to me. They look like ironic DAII haters.

Some of the reviews just examine The Witcher 2 itsself, but there aren't that many. I think it would be nice for CDPR to just get some nice feedback on a great game without the backhanded "we love you because you aren't DAII" style comment.

I think it would be great if there were a place that provided coherent, fair user reviews for games too, but I don't know how you'd achieve it.

[DrFumb1ezX]

Mrbananagrabber wrote...

soccerchick wrote...

Mrbananagrabber wrote...

I just want to say, that everyone who bought DAII at full price, including me sadly, are giving a dangerous signal to the gaming industry: don't spend 4 years making a game, just rush it out the door in 1.5 years and we'll pay even more for it (60 bucks in my case), plus every DLCs you make no matter how crappy (Arrival? Witch Hunt?)

Dangerous game we are playing here, just shows how uninformed the average gamer is. I mean, it can't because we have too much money to spend, unemployment is rising and we're in a recession. Stupidity is the only answer.

That, uh, chip on your shoulder? It needs some anti-depressants. :innocent:

Right right very constructive. I'll gladly swallow a whole bottle of those as soon as you agree to take those pink-tinted glasses off.

But then how do I see the Dire Bunnies? It's what they were made for! 

Plus, here's a chill pill. Don't like chill pills, here's a chill strip. Don't like either, then here's some chill candy spray.
Just a joke, bro. 

[Mrbananagrabber]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Mrbananagrabber wrote...

I read plenty of negative user reviews with meat on the bone. But I have a feeling your idea on DAII was already formed long before the game even came out, so I'm not going to bother discussing the subject with you. You are probably one of those who think Bioware is the target of some devilish secret society bent on seeing them ran into the ground for no reason, and not just reaping what they sowed when they decided to spit on it's fanbase.

On the contrary. I had no real preconceptions about the game, which, admittedly, might have contributed to my not feeling the same kind of Shakespearean betrayal some people have exhibited.
I liked Origins, but I felt it was lacking in both presentation and intrigue. Two areas which I happen to find crucial to my enjoyment of a game of this type.
As for DA2, I don't think of it as a perfect game by any means. Hell, to be frank it's flawed right up the bum, and in many cases a rather sad demonstration of wasted potential. But I thought it improved and delivered on key points which were most desperately in need of alterations, and I appreciated it for that.

I've read several fair criticisms of the game too, absolutely. A few of them can be found at metacritic. But they aren't somehow indicative of the average review you'll find there. People in droves are allowing their bias to cloud whatever legitimate complaint or argument they might otherwise have made, had they approached the matter more sensibly.

Accusing the developers of "screwing over the PC games because of console playing peasants", that "Bioware should go bankrupt" or that the "game that has simply been created and tampered with to suit frat boys more accustomed to call of duty and halo" is a more accurate reflection of the level of criticism you'll find.

It's likely these people would write a fairly negative review regardless of phrasing. But if they bothered to be constructive, perhaps I could take them seriously.

Now that's a quality, mature response, I applaud you friend. While I agree most comments are anything but constructive, you have to realize that some people who've been here a while (including me, long before the game even came out) have tried to have civilized discussions; on our fear about direction that the development of the game was taking before the game came out and the shortcomings of the game after it came out. In both cases, I was simply told to ''wait and see, the game isn't even out yet troll'' or ''if you don't like the game just don't play it''.

Most of my threads were even ''out of lined'' right after the game came out, as the witch hunt started in full force.

I don't believe anyone want Bioware to go bankrupt, nor do we see the problem as a PC vs console war. From what I could gather so far, it seems more like a big corporation swallowing a small niche studio and turning it into a mass-producing fast-food for gaming. I happen to share this idea.

[Malanek]

Mecher3k wrote...

Malanek999, must be nice to be able to deny reality so much with out having to be on some powerful drugs.

It must suck to have ones head buried so deeply in cynicism and/or self importance that you have to retort to comments like this.

[2papercuts]

Malanek999 wrote...

Mecher3k wrote...

Malanek999, must be nice to be able to deny reality so much with out having to be on some powerful drugs.

It must suck to have ones head buried so deeply in cynicism and/or self importance that you have to retort to comments like this.

really though, it appears that professional reviews can be just as biased

just look at the PC Gamer review

[Malanek]

2papercuts wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Mecher3k wrote...

Malanek999, must be nice to be able to deny reality so much with out having to be on some powerful drugs.

It must suck to have ones head buried so deeply in cynicism and/or self importance that you have to retort to comments like this.

really though, it appears that professional reviews can be just as biased

just look at the PC Gamer review

DA2 is closer to an 8.2/10 than a 4.3/10. That is the point of metacritic to get a range of views and collect them in one place. The critical reviews are a lot more reliable because they have to put their name to it.

[DrFumb1ezX]

2papercuts wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Mecher3k wrote...

Malanek999, must be nice to be able to deny reality so much with out having to be on some powerful drugs.

It must suck to have ones head buried so deeply in cynicism and/or self importance that you have to retort to comments like this.

really though, it appears that professional reviews can be just as biased

just look at the PC Gamer review

Yeah, I think I want to borrow whatever the PC Gamer guy was smoking, but MOST "professional" or "critic" reviews tend to be just a little more unbiased than user reviews. No offense.

[xkg]

Malanek999 wrote...

2papercuts wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Mecher3k wrote...

Malanek999, must be nice to be able to deny reality so much with out having to be on some powerful drugs.

It must suck to have ones head buried so deeply in cynicism and/or self importance that you have to retort to comments like this.

really though, it appears that professional reviews can be just as biased

just look at the PC Gamer review

DA2 is closer to an 8.2/10 than a 4.3/10. That is the point of metacritic to get a range of views and collect them in one place. The critical reviews are a lot more reliable because they have to put their name to it.

Yea sure. Like Escapist 100/100 DA2 for xbox review ?
http://www.metacriti...0/dragon-age-ii

[Drachasor]

Malanek999 wrote...
DA2 is closer to an 8.2/10 than a 4.3/10. That is the point of metacritic to get a range of views and collect them in one place. The critical reviews are a lot more reliable because they have to put their name to it.

No, it isn't.  Recycled maps, unfocused and and poorly done plot, choices that don't matter, unbalanced combat...the only unqualified good thing about the game is the voice acting.  It is a below average game, hence 4.3 is much closer to being accurate.  Professional Game reviews are terrible because you have to make a phenominally bad game to get below an 8 as a major publisher (oh yeah, and "professional" reviews also vary how they score things based on whether it is a major publisher or not -- it's ridiculous.

Modifié par Drachasor, 22 mai 2011 - 10:46 .

[2papercuts]

Malanek999 wrote...

2papercuts wrote...
really though, it appears that professional reviews can be just as biased

just look at the PC Gamer review

DA2 is closer to an 8.2/10 than a 4.3/10. That is the point of metacritic to get a range of views and collect them in one place. The critical reviews are a lot more reliable because they have to put their name to it.

i would say professional reviews are less polar but not completely accurate

Also, DA2 deserving an 8 is an opinion, its not a fact 

Modifié par 2papercuts, 22 mai 2011 - 10:43 .