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[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Lol, Witcher 2's combat is twitchy, there's no getting around that. It's a typical Action click to attack type system.

But it does reward pre-battle planning (traps + potions) as well as tactics such as good positioning, good timing, use of signs, varying attacks, dodging, blocking and bombs, etc. If you just go in and click click click, you'll get slaughtered, even on easy. I'd say Witcher 2's easy would be on par with a setting in between Dragon Age 2's normal and hard with it being closer to hard.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 25 mai 2011 - 01:59 .

[inkjay]

... and click, and click, and click, or so I hear....

Don't ever play Diablo type games, they might give you a heart attack.

As for TW2. I don't know... I've been using a gamepad and never looked back.

[Wye]

GameInformer gave DA2 an 8.25 out of 10. That rating was accurate enough for me.

[Teredan]

Wye wrote...

GameInformer gave DA2 an 8.25 out of 10. That rating was accurate enough for me.

huh? could have sworn it was a 7.75

[Boiny Bunny]

The people attempting to discredit TW2 by speaking of 'clicking' are being a tad ridiculous. In both DA2 and TW2, 95% of all commands are issued with mouse clicks. If I were to record my right hand with a video camera playing TW2 and DA2, it wouldn't look very different at all. You know what else wouldn't look very different? Half-life. Or some other FPS game. 'Click click click' describes the primary control issuing noise for most PC games.

If you want to play TW2 properly (read: survive), you'll need to be doing a heck of a lot more than standing there left clicking constantly. If you do this, you will die - even on the 'Easy' difficulty. DA2 is much the same, except is a little bit more forgiving in terms of difficulty. If I'm playing DA2 on Casual or Normal, I don't need to swap party members ever, and only need one or two active abilities in combat. In which case, combat boils down to 'Click....................click................click'.

The harder you make the game (difficulty setting wise), the more frantic the clicking (and keyboard use) will become - for both games.

[Elhanan]

Not attempting to discredit TW2; simply pointing out a major reason I was not interested. Others may have actual problems or not, but I shall not see them as I pass on the game.

[Boiny Bunny]

Elhanan wrote...

Not attempting to discredit TW2; simply pointing out a major reason I was not interested. Others may have actual problems or not, but I shall not see them as I pass on the game.

Do you ignore all games that have a 1-click to 1-attack ratio?

EDIT: I see that you have ME2 registered - did you turn that off after 2 minutes?  Becuase that game is definately more click heavy that TW2 in terms of attacking (and far less strategic).

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 25 mai 2011 - 03:41 .

[Elhanan]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Do you ignore all games that have a 1-click to 1-attack ratio?

Uncertain; just tend to ignore games that recommend joysticks, game pads, and have 'clickfest' written in the user reviews as I am Twitchless as well as Techless.

[Boiny Bunny]

Elhanan wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Do you ignore all games that have a 1-click to 1-attack ratio?

Uncertain; just tend to ignore games that recommend joysticks, game pads, and have 'clickfest' written in the user reviews as I am Twitchless as well as Techless.

Fair enough - but as I mentioned, I believe ME2 is far heavier on the 'clickfest' type of gameplay than TW2 is.  If you managed with ME2, you should certainly manage with TW2.

[Elhanan]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Fair enough - but as I mentioned, I believe ME2 is far heavier on the 'clickfest' type of gameplay than TW2 is.  If you managed with ME2, you should certainly manage with TW2.

More likely, I will be unable to play ME2; cannot seem to play ME due to lack of manual and NWN/ DA mouse controls.

[agesilaj12]

I have to confess, I was deeply ashamed by my actions in regards with helping the Order of the Flaming Rose before. Now this time around ,as a result of spiritual awakening, I decided to fight for freedom , democracy and american way of life so I helped dwontrodden non humans. Also, Kingslayer is "The Man"!

[inkjay]

TW2 isn't even too much of a click-fest at all simply because playing it like that will not get you anywhere. It's funny because people complaining of that aspect of the combat seem the kind that think they can approach it like any other button mashing game, then they feel the combat is unbalanced an unfair when they get surrounded and their clicks get interrupted by enemies that attack you from all angles and kill you in a few seconds.

To succeed in this game you need to be casting defensive and offensive spells, setting up traps, throwing bombs and especially rolling out of the way, all of which can be done without even having to use the mouse. Of course other games that include those mechanics don't really encourage their use so it is obvious that getting into a game that requires them to survive seems hard to them.

To each his own but that kind of assessment of TW2's combat is ignorant at best, and simply wrong. DA2 is so much twitchy and its combat basically comes down to: Press 1, 2, 3, 4, then RRRRRRRRRRRRRRR until cooldowns are off, spacebar to loot all, then rinse and repeat.

Opinions and whatever, but really, complaining about using the mouse when you decided to play an Action oriented game on the PC, kinda dumb if you ask me.

Modifié par inkjay, 25 mai 2011 - 04:30 .

[TheShadowWolf911]

Look at what you unleashed Bioware.

[tariq071]

Elhanan wrote...

Not attempting to discredit TW2; .

Actually , yes you are trying to the best of your ability to do exactly that.You are posting same thing all over the forums , over and over and over, and you haven't even tried the game.

We do understand very well that you simply do not like anything that didn't came out of BW production and that is absolutely fine with pretty much everyone here.However keep complaining about mechanics of some game that you didn't even try is just laughable.

If i didn't play some game i wouldn't feel qualified to criticize it/praise it in any way, it just would be unethical.

Now please try the game and then  complain/criticize or don't play and don't comment because you are not providing anything fresh, but just using second hand knowledge provided by someone else that suits your agenda(which even birds on the trees know by now).

Thanks

Modifié par tariq071, 25 mai 2011 - 04:56 .

[In Exile]

mrcrusty wrote...
But it does reward pre-battle planning (traps + potions) as well as tactics such as good positioning, good timing, use of signs, varying attacks, dodging, blocking and bombs, etc. If you just go in and click click click, you'll get slaughtered, even on easy. I'd say Witcher 2's easy would be on par with a setting in between Dragon Age 2's normal and hard with it being closer to hard.

No way. Normal in TW2 is comparable to Dragon Age on normal. Quen lv 3 is essentially enough to beat the game on normal, with the 100%+ roll speed. The difference is that once you up it to hard to get to the real challenge in TW2, then you start having to get more creative and plan. It's very dynamic combat. DA2 becomes more of a survival chore as the difficultly ramps up. You have to plan and get creative... but it feels much more like you're fighting against unfair encounters.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Meh, haven't gotten that far in the game yet, to be honest. Only going off what I've played through. I heard though that it does get easier at high levels if you build Geralt up well. Lv 3 Quen does sound like it'll be OP on normal or easy. Lol.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 25 mai 2011 - 05:00 .

[Malanek]

inkjay wrote...

TW2 isn't even too much of a click-fest at all simply because playing it like that will not get you anywhere. It's funny because people complaining of that aspect of the combat seem the kind that think they can approach it like any other button mashing game, then they feel the combat is unbalanced an unfair when they get surrounded and their clicks get interrupted by enemies that attack you from all angles and kill you in a few seconds.

To succeed in this game you need to be casting defensive and offensive spells, setting up traps, throwing bombs and especially rolling out of the way, all of which can be done without even having to use the mouse. Of course other games that include those mechanics don't really encourage their use so it is obvious that getting into a game that requires them to survive seems hard to them.

It's not the attacking but the rolling out of the way which makes it a twitch based game. You even identify that yourself in the second paragraph. I'm not sure anyone is claiming you have to click the mouse quickly because that just doesn't help at all. However there are plenty of fights where the double tap at exactly the right moment(s) is quite important.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Witcher 2 is a twitch game or clickfest. That's really not in doubt imo.

But a mindless one? That's a different matter.

[Malanek]

mrcrusty wrote...

Meh, haven't gotten that far in the game yet, to be honest. Only going off what I've played through. I heard though that it does get easier at high levels if you build Geralt up well. Lv 3 Quen does sound like it'll be OP on normal or easy. Lol.

I actually don't agree with lvl3 quen making the game much easier. I hardly noticed a difference. Quen is good as is on lvl 1. The damage it deals to opponents is pretty negligible and because you don't regenerate vigor the extra duration (which in turn increases the amount of damage it absorbs) doesn't really matter. Honestly there are much better talents out there than upgrading Quen.

[erynnar]

I am loving the combat, and I am not a combat player. I actually stalled playing TW2 after I got hubby's old hand me down computer. He caught me at it, asked why I hadn't played yet. I told him I was afraid of the combat being too difficult for me, even on easy and being to button mashy like DA2. He told me to try it anyways.

So, I did. Yes, I do click, click, with my mouse buttons. But I am also using my runes, my potions, my traps, and rolling, ducking, dodging, and positioning. No waves, but there are groups so I have to watch getting backed into a corner, or surrounded do, so I have to be aware of my surroundings. I have to think, strategize, and block. It is so much fun.

I miss having companions with me, but that is a pale shadow of the epic hero I am kicking ass like I do.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

erynnar wrote...

I am loving the combat, and I am not a combat player. I actually stalled playing TW2 after I got hubby's old hand me down computer. He caught me at it, asked why I hadn't played yet. I told him I was afraid of the combat being too difficult for me, even on easy and being to button mashy like DA2. He told me to try it anyways.

So, I did. Yes, I do click, click, with my mouse buttons. But I am also using my runes, my potions, my traps, and rolling, ducking, dodging, and positioning. No waves, but there are groups so I have to watch getting backed into a corner, or surrounded do, so I have to be aware of my surroundings. I have to think, strategize, and block. It is so much fun.

I miss having companions with me, but that is a pale shadow of the epic hero I am kicking ass like I do.

Lol. I'll bet a week from now, you'll still be glued to Witcher 2 and your hubby's gonna be all like:

Modifié par mrcrusty, 25 mai 2011 - 05:17 .

[inkjay]

Malanek999 wrote...

It's not the attacking but the rolling out of the way which makes it a twitch based game. You even identify that yourself in the second paragraph.

OK that sounds fair. The combat is not perfect for sure, but it requires much more skill than reflexes.

I'm not sure anyone is claiming you have to click the mouse quickly because that just doesn't help at all.

Read the last page? there are a couple of people there that imply just that (one of them basically on hearsay) that is why I responded like I did. If I misread, well I was wrong then, but that is how I interpreted it.

Modifié par inkjay, 25 mai 2011 - 05:18 .

[Chromie]

inkjay wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

It's not the attacking but the rolling out of the way which makes it a twitch based game. You even identify that yourself in the second paragraph.

OK that sounds fair. The combat is not perfect for sure, but it requires much more skill than reflexes.

Yup. The game does force you to do more then just botton mash. Laying traps ahead of time, buffing up since you can drink potions in a fight, getting your magic shield on because you don't want to wase time, your magic signs Aard is for knocking back and stuns, Igni is a fire ball sorta which can be upgraded to do an AoE, Quen is an electric shield that deflects damage, Yrden is a trap spell that can be upgraded to place 3 on the ground that can connect, Axii can posses people.

Witcher 2 requires a person to adapt and use every tool in your arsenal not just click.

[Malanek]

inkjay wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

It's not the attacking but the rolling out of the way which makes it a twitch based game. You even identify that yourself in the second paragraph.

OK that sounds fair. The combat is not perfect for sure, but it requires much more skill than reflexes.

I'm not sure anyone is claiming you have to click the mouse quickly because that just doesn't help at all.

Read the last page? there are a couple of people there that imply just that (one of them basically on hearsay) that is why I responded like I did. If I misread, well I was wrong then, but that is how I interpreted it.

I just get the impression people say clickfest because of the dodging. I'm not claiming it's not tactical, but its twitch with tactics rather than just tactics like DA.

[DragonRageGT]

Ringo12 wrote...

inkjay wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

It's not the attacking but the rolling out of the way which makes it a twitch based game. You even identify that yourself in the second paragraph.

OK that sounds fair. The combat is not perfect for sure, but it requires much more skill than reflexes.

Yup. The game does force you to do more then just botton mash. Laying traps ahead of time, buffing up since you can drink potions in a fight, getting your magic shield on because you don't want to wase time, your magic signs Aard is for knocking back and stuns, Igni is a fire ball sorta which can be upgraded to do an AoE, Quen is an electric shield that deflects damage, Yrden is a trap spell that can be upgraded to place 3 on the ground that can connect, Axii can posses people.

Witcher 2 requires a person to adapt and use every tool in your arsenal not just click.

And like TW1, knowledge of Monsters is a must.  Either from combat, starting at 0/3 or from Books, (3/3 at once).. It increases loot quality and most important, let you review their weakness on you char screen so you know what works best against each species and you do a lot more damage to them than when you didn't have the knowledge! I love it!