Dragoonlordz wrote...
RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
It's jealous girlfriend syndrome.
BioWare and the "old school" players were huggy buddies for years, all the way back to when computers were a novelty and you might have to ride your bike for ten minutes to watch your friend with a computer play a game. Fast forward to today, and BioWare sees all these new players coming to games. They're like "Hey, we should see if these new gamers might enjoy RPGs too!" The "old school" players immediately threw their boobs out and brushed their hair back and said "But but but! Aren't we good enough for you?" BioWare was like "Yes, of course, but what if a couple tiny mechanic changes got more people into RPGs? Isn't that good?"
The "old school" players were devestated. They listened to Tom Waites for weeks. They put on black nail polish. Then, when DA2 cames out and had some notable flaws (recycled areas and no unified party management screen, FTL) the jilted players were ecstatic.
Go back through some of the old hate threads. Many of them come down to "We sure taught BioWare their lesson this time!"
That's why people hate DA2. The funny part is, DA2 actually takes some elements from the original Witcher. Button=Awesome descibres Witcher perfectly. A voiced character is also win. Happily, the terrible crafting, UI, nonsensical story, and the embarassing adolescent masterbatory aids were not borrowed.
Most of the intial sales comes from those "old school players" if I was to agree with your way, way off assumption that it was old school players that liked DAO, but even that is a fallacy because not everyone who loves origins was from this pure fantasy "old school" you keep pointing fingers at.
The new players that you claim Bioware wants to attract come from two possible sources one of which is alternative genres (which they will not attract because if they were going to be drawn in the they would already be here with ME series). Maybe to assume they want the FPS crowd instead in which case they will fail on epic proportions as FPS players want FPS games, everyone else who owns multiple genres already would have been in the franchise and fanbase if RPGs interested them or if action/RPGs was liked by them aka in the DA or ME franchise fanbase. Could it be that this new playerbase instead means the younger gamer, you now the ones too underage to buy or play the game in the first place? Maybe thats the audience they targetted eh?
DA2 is epically bad due to it's own flaws on top of the fact its a sequel not just because of that.
I still find it hilarious your so diluded though that you believe the DAO fanbase was made up of "old school" players, sorry to break the news to you the same age groups liked that are same ones who like and hate DA2. The fact you use the DA2 button awesome to describe what is a more deep and less button awesome series like TW shows how incredably neive and stuck in a glass bubble world you really are.
I'm going to use a personal example as to why I think you're wrong. I know a NUMBER of people who played both Dragon Age Origins and Dragon Age 2 WHO DO NOT COME ON THESE BOARDS. They LOVE both games. I was talking to a buddy last night (who is on his third play through and wondering why there's no DLC). I explained to him the backlash from a certain portion of the fanbase. He's annoyed and flabbergasted that a vocal MINORITY can get to Bioware so much that they have delayed DLC and his enjoyment of the game.
I'm the one who said PC elitists, but I'm not talking about all people who prefer to play on the PC rather than consoles. I'm talking about the people ON THIS BOARD who go out of their way to insult Bioware, ANYONE who may like DA2, and go on and on about how EA destroyed the "magic" of Bioware and the small developer that made The Witcher is the last hope for RPG fans. Bioware sold out. EA is a big corporate jerk who wants to destroy RPGs. Et cetera, et cetera.
You speak for yourselves. There are people who love these games and who have played Bioware console games since KOTOR. My cousin is what I call a PC guy. I jokingly refer to him as the elitist. He has played Bioware games since Baldur's Gate. He's raved about them for years. And while he does occasionally moan about how the PC audience is being ignored, he never feels the need to come on here and cry and moan. (He also got me into Bioware, despite my indifference for D&D role playing.)
He wasn't sure about DA2. He had heard that they made too many changes. So, he came over to watch me play and he was starting to get into it. He said: "I'm not going to buy this on the PC...it seems like a great console RPG and I haven't played a console game in a while." He bought it, he's played it and enjoyed it. He's about as old school D &D as you can get. But he also grew up on Nintendo and Sega just like the rest of us. He doesn't come close to that venomous personality you see here. He is the definition of A GAMER. He spends every dollar he makes on his computer to make sure it is always top of the line. He built it and spent a FORTUNE for the purpose of gaming.
My point: I was never saying ALL PC gamers are elitist. But in the arguments about this game on multiple boards, the comments "DA2 SUCKS...WITCHER 2 is the real RPG game!" are everywhere. I didn't even know what The Witcher was until I came onto a DRAGON AGE board. You can all see these harsh comparisons in mutliple threads. Usually followed by EA is the devil. This is YOUR rhetoric and you know who you are. There are people who are very disappointed in DA 2 and then there are those who have an agenda and had one from the very beginning. The proof is all over the gaming internet community. My other point: DA 2 is not NEARLY AS DISASTROUS as some of you want it to be. It's hyperbolic exaggeration to the extreme. But The Witcher? How dare anyone say anything negative about it? It's just....nonsense.
For the record, my cousin doesn't like The Witcher. Why? He doesn't like playing a fixed protagonist and doesn't consider it a "real RPG." I find that to be quite amusing.
Am I discounting that some people were let down by DA 2? No. That's not my point. My point is that there is a group that takes the PC elitist mentality in holding The Witcher up as some sacred RPG underdog and that Bioware is nothing but a shell of a company, twisting on the strings of the evil, greedy puppeteer known as EA. That conversation has been going on before DA 2 ever came out, and we all know it.
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