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[erynnar]

TheTranzor wrote...

erynnar wrote...

Aw, sweetie, we know! Thanks for explaining. *hugs Ned*

Hehe, I don't see them as some underdog, rather a really smart German Shepherd that is going to out do the hell out of DA2, which is like a puppy that wet on the carpet and chewed my shoes. One is cute and fun, until you find that little surprise of poo it left in the bottom of the closet in the back corner of it.

And no, I know you don't think we're all elitist. That, was my fault, for taking it that way. You are not to blame for that Ned.

Don't lie... you're a whiny PC Elitist, and you know it.  



A loveable whiny PC Elitist, of course.   
 

Signed,
-Idiot Console Jockey



On a more serious note, I'll probably pick up TW2 sometime in the near future so I can see what everyone's talking about... never played TW1, so I might start there.  I normally don't play PC games (not since I was an MMO junkie back in the day), but sounds like it's at least worth a try.

I know I am! *sticks PC elitist nose in the air*  You hush console kiddy! :wub: Okay I can't write that with a straight face. And you're loveable yourself.

I highly recommend it. I am having a blast, and I am not a combat player. I like story, but the battles are still fun for me. I feel like a real bad ass. 

Psst, I admit, as  PC elitist...you will need a good PC. Now my rig is 4 years old and it runs it well, and while not as beautiful as my hubby's brand new top of the line PC (for his web design job...yeah riight^_^) it is still lovely to look at and plays very, very well.  

I am hoping it is just as lovely and fun for console kiddies like you Tran, . Really, my friend Brendan is a console player (he gets to play LA Noire and rub it in, that turkey!) and he is eagerly awaiting it due to my gushing.

I know Perse loves it too. I need to get tips from the lovely and talented, divine Miss P. *Goes off to send her a PM*

[erynnar]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

TheTranzor wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

erynnar wrote...

Well wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Avalla'ch wrote...

DA2 was a vast departure from Origins, thus it gets the crap.
TW2 on the other hand, doesn't claim nor pretend to be Origins. It's a game on its own.

Neither does DA2. It isn't called DAO2. And the marketing for DA2 made it clear that there would be changes and what those changes would be. They also released a demo which is a good representation of the game.

The Demo just showed combat.So it wasnt a good representation of the game.Epic Fail on your point.

Thiis^

From day one, they always put the emphasis in the wrong place regarding the demos/presentations.

That's because they were trying to attract the FPS players with a game that had speedy combat... and we all know how that's turned out.  Most of us DA:O fans would have prefered a demo that showed more of the RPG aspects of the game, perhaps gave a taste of the story (I for one am a fan of having a demo be kind of like a prologue to the story, but I digress), but at the least show both a little of the combat mechanics and and a little of the story/RPG elements.

Please don't treat me like I'm an idiot. I know why they did what they did.

I don't think he meant it that way Bryy! *HUGS* I have read your posts and you are not an idiot by any stretch., I didn't even read it that way. I thought he was explaining to me.

[In Exile]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think they should be praised for being smart and thinking long term.

Absolutely. I can't understand why treating your customers with respect isn't a business strategy that's more common.

My only point is that the brilliance of TW2 and the very capable corporate leadership of CDProjeckt is not a sign of love or passion. It's just a sign that smart people are making a game, and smart people are running the business.

But I'd also bet my weight in gold that the owners of CDProjekt would jump right onboard an EA takeover if as much money was at stake as with Bioware.

[erynnar]

Elhanan wrote...

scpulley wrote...

TBH, the witcher 2 didn't try and 'innovate' itself into a giant steaming pile of garbage. They didn't try to reinvent the wheel and up with a square. All the changes between the games made sense, the story connects properly, and the game by itself feels like a immersive world you actually influence. DA 2 feels like a rail shooter in comparison. I liked some elements of DA2, but seriously TW2 is a much much better RPG, it deserves the praise it's getting. It wasn't full of itself with game developers thinking they knew better than their players or put them down because they didn't like their changes. Sorry, I love you Bioware, but you got your ass handed to you if you want to compare DA 2 and TW2. That challenge thrown out by TW2 developers turned out to be dead on. They really didn't have any reason to worry as it turned out.

Bioware; meet scpulley; fornerly known as Francis:

I happen to agree with him (mostly, not the steaming pile of garbage part, it was meh not garbage) does that make me Francis too?

[Firky]

In Exile wrote...

My only point is that the brilliance of TW2 and the very capable corporate leadership of CDProjeckt is not a sign of love or passion. It's just a sign that smart people are making a game, and smart people are running the business.

I think that they do several things "right" in their marketing, and with their game. They realise that many gamers do want to feel smart and exclusive, whether or not I find myself agreeing to enthusiastically with that idea these days. (I used to, for sure.) And, they are sticking up for things vocal gamers care about, like giving us Aussies $26 credit on GoG because of our localised games pricing issue. Ultimately, I guess it will turn out "right" if it genuinely attracts more gamers and makes money so they can keep making games.

The other stuff, like going to console, they are clearly doing too, just not highlighting it or trying to convert anyone to the cause. As a PC exlcusive gamer myself, DAII felt multiplatform to me, but TW2 felt console. (Ultimately, TW2 did reference enough of an old school RPG world to keep the PC purist in me happy though, and it's gameplay suited the combat.) It's a different approach, with hopefully a similar result. (Lots of people playing and lots of money for DAIII and TW3.)

[Elhanan]

erynnar wrote...

I happen to agree with him (mostly, not the steaming pile of garbage part, it was meh not garbage) does that make me Francis too?

Just wanted to place a name on that ass handed to Bioware; so No, not you, my dear.

[takfar]

Bad design decisions are not necessarily what made DA2 a bad game, rushed development did it. And nothing about TW2 feels rushed, on the contrary, it's a deep game that oozes development love in every spot.

[In Exile]

Firky wrote...
I think that they do several things "right" in their marketing, and with their game. They realise that many gamers do want to feel smart and exclusive, whether or not I find myself agreeing to enthusiastically with that idea these days. (I used to, for sure.) And, they are sticking up for things vocal gamers care about, like giving us Aussies $26 credit on GoG because of our localised games pricing issue. Ultimately, I guess it will turn out "right" if it genuinely attracts more gamers and makes money so they can keep making games.

Oh, I agree completely. I just think the passion and love comments are a little creepy.

The other stuff, like going to console, they are clearly doing too, just not highlighting it or trying to convert anyone to the cause. As a PC exlcusive gamer myself, DAII felt multiplatform to me, but TW2 felt console. (Ultimately, TW2 did reference enough of an old school RPG world to keep the PC purist in me happy though, and it's gameplay suited the combat.) It's a different approach, with hopefully a similar result. (Lots of people playing and lots of money for DAIII and TW3.)

It was obvious, to me, ever since they said early in their development they want to make it gamepad compatible that they were thinking console. They just knew how to lead the fanbase on, so to speak.

The thing is, marketing aside, at the end of the day CD Projekt made an otherwise great and complete game. Bioware didn't deliver on the same scale. Expectations were different, and DAII had a core of haters and TW2 had a core of fanboys, but that has nothing to do with the general reception of either game. ME2 had a core of haters, and it was the most critically and generally acclaimed Bioware game (on metacritic, no less) that Bioware produced.

[Elhanan]

takfar wrote...

Bad design decisions are not necessarily what made DA2 a bad game, rushed development did it. And nothing about TW2 feels rushed, on the contrary, it's a deep game that oozes development love in every spot.

*Clean up Love spots on aisle 16!!!* 
 

[Chromie]

Elhanan wrote...

takfar wrote...

Bad design decisions are not necessarily what made DA2 a bad game, rushed development did it. And nothing about TW2 feels rushed, on the contrary, it's a deep game that oozes development love in every spot.

*Clean up Love spots on aisle 16!!!* 
 

I like my love...messy 

[erynnar]

Elhanan wrote...

erynnar wrote...

I happen to agree with him (mostly, not the steaming pile of garbage part, it was meh not garbage) does that make me Francis too?

Just wanted to place a name on that ass handed to Bioware; so No, not you, my dear.

ROFL!!! *Tickles Elhanan*

[erynnar]

Ringo12 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

takfar wrote...

Bad design decisions are not necessarily what made DA2 a bad game, rushed development did it. And nothing about TW2 feels rushed, on the contrary, it's a deep game that oozes development love in every spot.

*Clean up Love spots on aisle 16!!!* 
 

I like my love...messy 

oh you dirty bird! Shop smart shop S-Mart? Where is Ash to clean up?

[neppakyo]

I wish I could join in with all the sexual/masturbation innuendo.

Is it too wrong to say its hard to clean out the love outta my keyboard for CD Projekt Red?

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

In Exile wrote...

Firky wrote...
I think that they do several things "right" in their marketing, and with their game. They realise that many gamers do want to feel smart and exclusive, whether or not I find myself agreeing to enthusiastically with that idea these days. (I used to, for sure.) And, they are sticking up for things vocal gamers care about, like giving us Aussies $26 credit on GoG because of our localised games pricing issue. Ultimately, I guess it will turn out "right" if it genuinely attracts more gamers and makes money so they can keep making games.

Oh, I agree completely. I just think the passion and love comments are a little creepy.

The other stuff, like going to console, they are clearly doing too, just not highlighting it or trying to convert anyone to the cause. As a PC exlcusive gamer myself, DAII felt multiplatform to me, but TW2 felt console. (Ultimately, TW2 did reference enough of an old school RPG world to keep the PC purist in me happy though, and it's gameplay suited the combat.) It's a different approach, with hopefully a similar result. (Lots of people playing and lots of money for DAIII and TW3.)

It was obvious, to me, ever since they said early in their development they want to make it gamepad compatible that they were thinking console. They just knew how to lead the fanbase on, so to speak.

The thing is, marketing aside, at the end of the day CD Projekt made an otherwise great and complete game. Bioware didn't deliver on the same scale. Expectations were different, and DAII had a core of haters and TW2 had a core of fanboys, but that has nothing to do with the general reception of either game. ME2 had a core of haters, and it was the most critically and generally acclaimed Bioware game (on metacritic, no less) that Bioware produced.

I don't blame CDP for wanting a piece of console sales. But to suggest they "led people on" is laying it on a bit thick don't you think?

The difference being CDP executed, took their time, built a powerful engine and put forth a polished title.
Bioware on the other hand, gutted what worked, striped the game down ala ME2, Retconed a good portion of the lore and characters, and slapped it in a box in 18 months. All the while citing how "wrong" the naysayers were and "how much" that the game was "just like Origins" when it clearly wasn't anything close.

Calling people haters when a good portion of us saw the writting on the wall in regards to DA2, and weren't sold on the hype seems a tad much as well. I'm far from a CDP fangirl, considering I couldn't get past the first title's combat to enjoy it. However I try to give credit where it's due. TW2 is a fantastic game, one of the best released this year so far.

So yeah I'd say there's pretty good reasons TW2 is getting the love it is, while DA2 is not.

[KnightofPhoenix]

neppakyo wrote...

I wish I could join in with all the sexual/masturbation innuendo.
 

If you didnt' say that, I would not have understood what was going on here

But yea, I think TW2 is the first game that I consider to be literally sexy.

[TheTranzor]

erynnar wrote...

TheTranzor wrote...

erynnar wrote...

Aw, sweetie, we know! Thanks for explaining. *hugs Ned*

Hehe, I don't see them as some underdog, rather a really smart German Shepherd that is going to out do the hell out of DA2, which is like a puppy that wet on the carpet and chewed my shoes. One is cute and fun, until you find that little surprise of poo it left in the bottom of the closet in the back corner of it.

And no, I know you don't think we're all elitist. That, was my fault, for taking it that way. You are not to blame for that Ned.

Don't lie... you're a whiny PC Elitist, and you know it.  



A loveable whiny PC Elitist, of course.   
 

Signed,
-Idiot Console Jockey



On a more serious note, I'll probably pick up TW2 sometime in the near future so I can see what everyone's talking about... never played TW1, so I might start there.  I normally don't play PC games (not since I was an MMO junkie back in the day), but sounds like it's at least worth a try.

I know I am! *sticks PC elitist nose in the air*  You hush console kiddy! :wub: Okay I can't write that with a straight face. And you're loveable yourself.

I highly recommend it. I am having a blast, and I am not a combat player. I like story, but the battles are still fun for me. I feel like a real bad ass. 

Psst, I admit, as  PC elitist...you will need a good PC. Now my rig is 4 years old and it runs it well, and while not as beautiful as my hubby's brand new top of the line PC (for his web design job...yeah riight^_^) it is still lovely to look at and plays very, very well.  

I am hoping it is just as lovely and fun for console kiddies like you Tran, . Really, my friend Brendan is a console player (he gets to play LA Noire and rub it in, that turkey!) and he is eagerly awaiting it due to my gushing.

I know Perse loves it too. I need to get tips from the lovely and talented, divine Miss P. *Goes off to send her a PM*

Well, if it comes with your seal of approval, then it has to be PC elite-worthy. 

That's the only concern about TW2 for me, is my PC is probably not up to the task... I believe it's right at the minimum spec in just about every area.

Now, I should be able to play TW1 though... which at least would get me a taste of the world and story-style.

Ah yes... LA Noire.  It's actually a pretty darn good game, I have to say... been playing that one lately.  The last couple of Rockstar games (Red Dead Redemption included) have been pretty neat games.  I'm definitely not a GTA fan, but I really did like RDR and now LA Noire... both are well worth playing if you can find an idiot console jockey that can lend you their system for a few days. 

[Elhanan]

Was SO not going there! *reminds self to highlight contextual oozing of development love in every spot in future*

[In Exile]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
I don't blame CDP for wanting a piece of console sales. But to suggest they "led people on" is laying it on a bit thick don't you think?

They made several conscious production decisions to make TW1  console friendly. They changed alchemy to make it less user friendly (the reason it's a list and you can click enter to switch out alchemical ingredients is so it can work on console), altered the inventory so much so that it isn't recognizable (it used to be grid based and now it's list based), got rid of iso view and point & click...

... these are all console first decisions, and console compability decisions. One key sign of a game designed with the console in mind, versus PC, is the inventory screen. Notice how it takes up the whole screen? None of this should take away from how brilliant the game is. But there's clear work there to make it console friendly. CD Red just preached to the choir to sell their game.

ETA:

Also - the radial menu for the abilities instead of the pause & sidebar like TW1. Another console-esque feature.

Don't get me wrong - I don't mind any of these features (aside from alchemy and the inventory; I like the grid). I just don't like the attitude of the company sometimes. If you look at their forums, you'll see a lot of PC-first talk, but that's not entirely at odds with their development. They built TW2 to work on consoles, and that's evident in the basic architecture of the game.

The difference being CDP executed, took their time, built a powerful engine and put forth a polished title.
Bioware on the other hand, gutted what worked, striped the game down ala ME2, Retconed a good portion of the lore and characters, and slapped it in a box in 18 months. All the while citing how "wrong" the naysayers were and "how much" that the game was "just like Origins" when it clearly wasn't anything close.

Bioware's flop is pretty obvious. It's a shame. I was really excited about the game. But I won't excuse what DAII ended up being. It was no fun paying for an alpha build of a game.

Calling people haters when a good portion of us saw the writting on the wall in regards to DA2, and weren't sold on the hype seems a tad much as well. I'm far from a CDP fangirl, considering I couldn't get past the first title's combat to enjoy it. However I try to give credit where it's due. TW2 is a fantastic game, one of the best released this year so far.

So yeah I'd say there's pretty good reasons TW2 is getting the love it is, while DA2 is not.

TW2 should get love. It should win GOY if I have a say. When I say love, I mean saying the developers seeped love into the game. That's what creeps me out.

Modifié par In Exile, 25 mai 2011 - 03:45 .

[neppakyo]

In Exile wrote...

TW2 should get love. It should win GOY if I have a say. When I say love, I mean saying the developers seeped love into the game. That's what creeps me out.

So, everytime you play TW2, a programmer has an orgasm?

[KnightofPhoenix]

neppakyo wrote...

In Exile wrote...

TW2 should get love. It should win GOY if I have a say. When I say love, I mean saying the developers seeped love into the game. That's what creeps me out.

So, everytime you play TW2, a programmer has an orgasm?

Everytime I play, I have an orgasm.

[In Exile]

neppakyo wrote..

So, everytime you play TW2, a programmer has an orgasm?

Haha. No. But some people on this forum think that's what happened when the game was being made, apparently.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

neppakyo wrote...

In Exile wrote...

TW2 should get love. It should win GOY if I have a say. When I say love, I mean saying the developers seeped love into the game. That's what creeps me out.

So, everytime you play TW2, a programmer has an orgasm?

Everytime I play TW2 I just about have one. I wonder if that counts?

[Addai]

TMI, people. TMI.

[Addai]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

The difference being CDP executed, took their time, built a powerful engine and put forth a polished title.

Polished?  Not the word that comes to mind.

[CaptainBlackGold]

OK, with all the TW2 love I have seen here I am officially donning my flame retardant shield.

My kids bought me TW2 for my birthday. After less than two hours of playing, I uninstalled it - with a passion - using various anglo-saxon, monosylabbic gutterals to express my opinion of that game throughout the process. Whatever shortcomings DA2 might have had (and I have expressed my concerns on those many times), IMHO it is a hundred times better than TW2.

I just do not get the love for TW2. Unintuitive controls - awkward combat, really sub-standard voice acting (maybe the original Polish is supurb but since I do not speak Polish...), bizarre yet lifeless character animations (they look like Community Theater actors with a bad director), insipid mini-games and horrednous QTE's - I could go on...

TW2 may have the best story since "Citizen Cane" but I will never know because the game play is so horrendous, I could not stick it out. Maybe I am just old, set in my ways, impatient or just too stupid to figure this out but NOTHING (well, apart from seeing Triss in the opening sequence) in this game is appealing to me.

So what does that make me; DA2 was a bit of a disappointment but many people loved it. I think TW2 is the biggest waste of a birthday present I have ever received and yet people are having naughty thoughts over it.

So after ranting here I will fire up my current DA2 game (just downloaded some new armors from NEXUS), and apologise to Bioware - those Ninja waves, exploding blood bag for bodies and reused dungeons just don't seem so bad now.

J