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[neppakyo]

In Exile wrote...

I don't understand how it's possible to get 100 hours out of DA:O. Do you read every codex twice? Walk everywhere? I just don't get it. I could never top ~70 hours, with every trash sidequest possible and backtracking.

Glad im not the only one wondering how someone can do over 100+ hours on a single playthrough. Especially DA2. I can push 80 hours on a origin playthrough. Thats tough though.

[Elhanan]

In Exile wrote...

I don't understand how it's possible to get 100 hours out of DA:O. Do you read every codex twice? Walk everywhere? I just don't get it. I could never top ~70 hours, with every trash sidequest possible and backtracking.

It was DA2; much more in DAO as I played it a score of times with almost every race/class combo, and solo.

No reading of any Codex entries; reading has been problematic since the event, so I primarily stick to the Quest entries.

And this is not a recent issue; took me 6 months of on/ off play to complete the NWN OC, as I saved and reloaded for the best of three loot finds in random containers. Maybe if I could organize my compulsion, I could rehab my way into QA.

[neppakyo]

Elhanan wrote...

It was DA2; much more in DAO as I played it a score of times with almost every race/class combo, and solo.

No reading of any Codex entries; reading has been problematic since the event, so I primarily stick to the Quest entries.

And this is not a recent issue; took me 6 months of on/ off play to complete the NWN OC, as I saved and reloaded for the best of three loot finds in random containers. Maybe if I could organize my compulsion, I could rehab my way into QA.

You have patience of a saint. No wonder you could play through DA2.

[Elhanan]

Nope; just the O-C side of me that made for a good co-worker. Was once told that they could check my work in the dark, as I kept the same order for decade.

Actually, I am rather impatient; reason I started to reply to all the threads, as I tired of hearing the anti-EA/ Bioware/ DA2 rhetoric.

[Tommy6860]

Elhanan wrote...

Nope; just the O-C side of me that made for a good co-worker. Was once told that they could check my work in the dark, as I kept the same order for decade.

Actually, I am rather impatient; reason I started to reply to all the threads, as I tired of hearing the anti-EA/ Bioware/ DA2 rhetoric.

Well, that's simply on you. If you truly feel that way, don't read, and most definitely, don't reply to it. I think Bioware/EA doesn't a defense team to stick up for it.

[neppakyo]

Tommy6860 wrote...


Well, that's simply on you. If you truly feel that way, don't read, and most definitely, don't reply to it. I think Bioware/EA doesn't a defense team to stick up for it.

EA has legions of evil lawyers for that.

[Elhanan]

neppakyo wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

Well, that's simply on you. If you truly feel that way, don't read, and most definitely, don't reply to it. I think Bioware/EA doesn't a defense team to stick up for it.

EA has legions of evil lawyers for that.

They say it is good for the heart to volunteer....

[gotthammer]

Elhanan wrote...
Actually, I am rather impatient; reason I started to reply to all the threads, as I tired of hearing the anti-EA/ Bioware/ DA2 rhetoric.

Methinks the Anti-EA stuff tends to be deserved.
(I kinda like EA, at times, tho': for one thing, their games are cheap here in Asia. My copy of a brand new DA2 SE was like 30 USD. The same goes for other new releases, like Dead Space 2, I think)

I honestly wanted to like DA2, I even got myself 'excited' and allowed myself, despite reservations, to 'buy into the hype', but the game just left me disappointed.
Sure it had good elements, and there were parts I enjoyed and some characters I liked, but the overall experience was disappointing.
Methinks others just have a harder time to articulate their expressions of disappointment (hence the regular use of hyperbole and debating no-nos, like ad hominems, generalizations and the like. Do note, tho', that not everyone has English as their 'native language', so expressing ideas could be difficult for some).
Of course, some are just abrasive.

Oh and to keep remotely in topic (...or not):
Bioware, free Enhanced Edition for DA2, please!

[Tommy6860]

neppakyo wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...


Well, that's simply on you. If you truly feel that way, don't read, and most definitely, don't reply to it. I think Bioware/EA doesn't a defense team to stick up for it.

EA has legions of evil lawyers for that.

LOL, but seriously, I just ignore the endless put-downs simply because they don't add anything to the discussion. Just because I may not like the direction the game took, doesn't mean that I thnk EA/Bioware are bad companies. I also think that if someone gets bent out of shape because someone makes a valid well thought-out comparison between different games, should just refrain from being defensive, as most times, their replies appear to be more about their favorite, than any acknowledgement to the differences..

[marshalleck]

Tommy6860 wrote...

LOL, but seriously, I just ignore the endless put-downs simply because they don't add anything to the discussion. Just because I may not like the direction the game took, doesn't mean that I thnk EA/Bioware are bad companies.

Most people don't think EA is a "bad company" (ugh, classic rock...) because of DA2's direction. They think EA is a "bad company" because they interfere with and meddle in studios' dsign efforts and development time, often with catastrophic consequence for the employees of said studios' careers. 

If EA would merely content themselves with the publishing side of a partnership, nobody would hate them. But they don't leave it at that, and as a result they're loathed when a product that by all rights should be excellent comes out half-baked and well below what the studio in question is capable of. They've done it again, and again, and again, and again, and again...and they show no sign of having any interest in doing business otherwise. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 30 mai 2011 - 08:19 .

[Tommy6860]

marshalleck wrote...

Most people don't think EA is a "bad company" (ugh, classic rock...)
because of DA2's direction. They think EA is a "bad company" because
they interfere with and meddle in studios' dsign efforts and development
time, often with catastrophic consequence for the employees of said
studios' careers.

I think you may have replied out of context to what I was stating in my previous reply, but I'll reply here in kind. Firstly, it isn't up to me to decide that EA is a bad company for what they want to do within their company. Ultimately, they live or die by their internal decisions and how that reflects in sales and income. They are a business that has to answer to shareholder interest. What I like or do not like about EA and their divisions has to do with the products they put out, but that is solely subjective to my taste. But, for anyone to harp on a company because it didn't serve them up a good product, is totally subjective to the purchaser.

Now, I do think it is wrong to mislead what a product does, and that DA2 was misleading to me. That I will hold against them. Ican move on from them or give them more chances, etc. For those that say they are a bad company because they feel they got shafted by one of their products, says little when there are those who like their products, even those who like DA2. I think it is unfair to EA and Bioware to hold them up to one's own preferences in games when those preferences may not be along the lines of those who do like what they offer. I just don't deal well with ad hominem and hyperbole to be honest.

If EA would merely content themselves with the publishing side of a partnership, nobody would hate them. But they don't leave it at that, and as a result they're loathed when a product that by all rights should be excellent comes out half-baked and well below what the studio in question is capable of. They've done it again, and again, and again, and again, and again...and they show no sign of having any interest in doing business otherwise. 

While I agree that some of their products are nothing I care for, they do make enough money as a leader in the industry to maintain their status as such from the sales of their products; surely that indicates many people like they offer. It isn't up to me, you, or any one person to decide what EA should and should not leave alone to what they have in ownership. Again, they are in this to make money and have to answer to more than just me, in spite of the products they put out that I think are not worthy of my purchase. Keep in mind, there's huge difference between me not liking a game and saying EA is bad for it, they are not mutually inclusive in this aspect. If going from what Laidlaw posted here recently, they may change back to the way the games I love are made, from what I didn't like in DA2, but they are the ones who have to live by those words, not I. If they fall on those words, I simply move on from their products. So, at least in that sense, we are getting a say in that.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 30 mai 2011 - 08:45 .

[philippe willaume]

Elhanan wrote...

Luvinn wrote...

This is pretty much what i was getting at. Just because i mentioned you can blow through the main quests does NOT mean i actually would do it. Its ME2 all over really. Short main quests, with tons of side quests to do. Except the side quests in ME2 were fun, and actually meant something (companion quests). I'm a completionist in my games, i try to do all the quests i can. Only ones i don't go out of my way for are the, "find x item, give to y person for 50 silver" quests. Most hours i can squeeze into DA2 was in the 30's. I wouldn't mind even finding all those turn-in quests, but the wounded coast gets really boring after the 30th time.

Almost any game I have would get old revisited for the 30th time; reason I took a break from DAO after a year. But ridiiculing my opinions, gameplay, friends, etc, and I decided some time ago that I would respond.

Again, I do not care much if TW2 is trash or GOTY; have fun! What I do care about is the rather opionated veggie tossing posters that target DA2 and Bioware, so expect me or those like me to show that there is another POV.

Well if I understood you correctly in a pervious post: You did not play the game TW2
No offense that does not put in any really position to have an informed opinion.
You have probably a very well researched opinion but are lacking the fundamental experimentation to draw relevant conclusion
 
It a bit like someone telling me that what ever Asian sword school is much better that Ringeck and the lichtanauer sword school because there is only 5 strikes and you really only  use that  in attack and in defence.
And they can mount a solid argument and all that looks good until I kick their arse in sparing.
Until you have spared you do not know really know what you are talking about.
 
As I said before most of people criticising DA: 2 do not say it is crap, they say that it fell short of expectation and use TW2 as and example of what meet and exceed expectations.
 
Just as people are dismissing, quite wrongly in my opinion, you gaming style, it seems to me that you are dismissing just as wrongly the things that EA should take from the TW2 for seeing only ******, sex and arse in TW2.
 
I will by DA:3 I like the world and I like the concept, and like most I would like that to be of a better standard than DA2.
 
phil

[marshalleck]

Tommy6860 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Most people don't think EA is a "bad company" (ugh, classic rock...)
because of DA2's direction. They think EA is a "bad company" because
they interfere with and meddle in studios' dsign efforts and development
time, often with catastrophic consequence for the employees of said
studios' careers.

I think you may have replied out of context to what I was stating in my previous reply, but I'll reply here in kind. Firstly, it isn't up to me to decide that EA is a bad company for what they want to do within their company. Ultimately, they live or die by their internal decisions and how that reflects in sales and income. They are a business that has to answer to shareholder interest. What I like or do not like about EA and their divisions has to do with the products they put out, but that is solely subjective to my taste. But, for anyone to harp on a company because it didn't serve them up a good product, is totally subjective to the purchaser.

Now, I do think it is wrong to mislead what a product does, and that DA2 was misleading to me. That I will hold against them. Ican move on from them or give them more chances, etc. For those that say they are a bad company because they feel they got shafted by one of their products, says little when there are those who like their products, even those who like DA2. I think it is unfair to EA and Bioware to hold them up to one's own preferences in games when those preferences may not be along the lines of those who do like what they offer. I just don't deal well with ad hominem and hyperbole to be honest.

If EA would merely content themselves with the publishing side of a partnership, nobody would hate them. But they don't leave it at that, and as a result they're loathed when a product that by all rights should be excellent comes out half-baked and well below what the studio in question is capable of. They've done it again, and again, and again, and again, and again...and they show no sign of having any interest in doing business otherwise. 

While I agree that some of their products are nothing I care for, they do make enough money as a leader in the industry to maintain their status as such from the sales of their products; surely that indicates many people like they offer. It isn't up to me, you, or any one person to decide what EA should and should not leave alone to what they have in ownership. Again, they are in this to make money and have to answer to more than just me, in spite of the products they put out that I think are not worthy of my purchase. Keep in mind, there's huge difference between me not liking a game and saying EA is bad for it, they are not mutually inclusive in this aspect. If going from what Laidlaw posted here recently, they may change back to the way the games I love are made, from what I didn't like in DA2, but they are the ones who have to live by those words, not I. If they fall on those words, I simply move on from their products. So, at least in that sense, we are getting a say in that.

You're missing the point entirely, and believing that EA will "go back" to anything in regards to Dragon Age is a bit wishful thinking, based on examination of how they have managed and mismanaged the portfolios of other game development studios they've acquired in the past. The hate for EA has very little to do with Dragon Age 2 gameplay mechanics in and of themselves. It has to do with how they make the fortunes for their shareholders by running accomplished, talented development studios into the dirt and exploiting them for all they're worth before moving onto the next host, like any common parasite. Some people find this predatory, destructive behavior distasteful, and EA's history of acting in this manner spans decades. There are significant indicators that history is beginning to repeat itself with Bioware. That's what motivates most of the EA hate.

Modifié par marshalleck, 30 mai 2011 - 09:12 .

[Elhanan]

philippe willaume wrote...

Well if I understood you correctly in a pervious post: You did not play the game TW2
No offense that does not put in any really position to have an informed opinion.
You have probably a very well researched opinion but are lacking the fundamental experimentation to draw relevant conclusion
 
It a bit like someone telling me that what ever Asian sword school is much better that Ringeck and the lichtanauer sword school because there is only 5 strikes and you really only  use that  in attack and in defence.
And they can mount a solid argument and all that looks good until I kick their arse in sparing.
Until you have spared you do not know really know what you are talking about.
 
As I said before most of people criticising DA: 2 do not say it is crap, they say that it fell short of expectation and use TW2 as and example of what meet and exceed expectations.
 
Just as people are dismissing, quite wrongly in my opinion, you gaming style, it seems to me that you are dismissing just as wrongly the things that EA should take from the TW2 for seeing only ******, sex and arse in TW2.
 
I will by DA:3 I like the world and I like the concept, and like most I would like that to be of a better standard than DA2.
 
phil

Find me a post where I critized TW2 as a game, and I might agree. But I do not believe I have done so.

I have spoken of why I will not play the game, and much has been inflated on this issue because being modest is not the current way. I read of the TW games having profanity at length, a focus on nudity and sex (being toggled or not), and the gameplay recommended Twitch skills, which I never have had. Pass.

I do not have to purchase and try a product to know that it is not for me, but will agree that I should if I were to critique the item. Be it movie, game, etc, part of being a good consumer is being an informed one; not one that gets everythiong first, then complains about it later.

[marshalleck]

Elhanan wrote...

philippe willaume wrote...

Well if I understood you correctly in a pervious post: You did not play the game TW2
No offense that does not put in any really position to have an informed opinion.
You have probably a very well researched opinion but are lacking the fundamental experimentation to draw relevant conclusion
 
It a bit like someone telling me that what ever Asian sword school is much better that Ringeck and the lichtanauer sword school because there is only 5 strikes and you really only  use that  in attack and in defence.
And they can mount a solid argument and all that looks good until I kick their arse in sparing.
Until you have spared you do not know really know what you are talking about.
 
As I said before most of people criticising DA: 2 do not say it is crap, they say that it fell short of expectation and use TW2 as and example of what meet and exceed expectations.
 
Just as people are dismissing, quite wrongly in my opinion, you gaming style, it seems to me that you are dismissing just as wrongly the things that EA should take from the TW2 for seeing only ******, sex and arse in TW2.
 
I will by DA:3 I like the world and I like the concept, and like most I would like that to be of a better standard than DA2.
 
phil

Find me a post where I critized TW2 as a game, and I might agree. But I do not believe I have done so.

I have spoken of why I will not play the game, and much has been inflated on this issue because being modest is not the current way. I read of the TW games having profanity at length, a focus on nudity and sex (being toggled or not), and the gameplay recommended Twitch skills, which I never have had. Pass.

I do not have to purchase and try a product to know that it is not for me, but will agree that I should if I were to critique the item. Be it movie, game, etc, part of being a good consumer is being an informed one; not one that gets everythiong first, then complains about it later.

They really don't, though. There is nudity, and there is sex, but neither game is focused on either. The game's stories are not about Geralt going around having sex with as many women as possible. They aren't dating sims, and they aren't porn. There are no sex minigames, which mind you some games have had, but weren't labelled as being "focused" on sex. If anyone is inflating an issue, it's you regarding sexuality in The Witcher series. but you wouldn't know that, because you've never played them. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 30 mai 2011 - 09:43 .

[Elhanan]

marshalleck wrote...

They really don't, though. There is nudity, and there is sex, but neither game is focused on either. The game's stories are not about Geralt going around having sex with as many women as possible. They aren't dating sims, and they aren't porn. There are no sex minigames, which mind you some games have had, but weren't labelled as being "focused" on sex. If anyone is inflating an issue, it's you regarding sexuality in The Witcher series.

Yet what I read occasionally posted for both games are the sex or nude related scenes. The difference is that the DA postings require mods or adolescent minded camera angles, while the TW games are more available, as it is set with a Toggle.

Yet this is not the sole reason I choose to spend my funds elsewhere; just a single factor in the product. As mentioned, there may be a Toggle for those mature enough to use it; same cannot be said for frequent profanity, and I have even less patience here.

While I am not holding myself as any kind of standard for others, to maintain my own character, I prefer to avoid it. And based on the somewhat frequent upper case numeral postings seen here  on the Forums, perhaps more should consider avoiding it, too.

[marshalleck]

Profanity is your own deal. There's a fair amount, sure, but it's not just there for no reason. Or, rarely in that sense at least. If you can't handle soldiers talking like soldiers--which means some pretty crude language at times--then that's your deal, and your right. In my opinion it would be a shame to miss out on excellent films or miniseries like Band of Brothers or Saving Private Ryan just because some soldiers have foul mouths, but it's up to you. I would characterize the profanity in TW2 very much the same--it's part of the context and the setting, it makes sense, it's not just there to thrill children ("oooh he said a dirty word!"). Just don't go pretending like you know what you're missing out on. Oh and weak dig at maturity there, with the comment about choosing to use a toggle or not. Just because someone may not choose to use a nudity toggle (I don't think TW2 has a toggle? I haven't seen it...) doesn't mean they're immature.

Modifié par marshalleck, 30 mai 2011 - 09:54 .

[DarthKaldriss]

Well I love both games for different reasons. However Bioware edges it by providing two things that CDprojekt do not. Thats tech support and user forums. TW2 is a very buggy game even after the so called patch I still get the game crash hell you can't even log on to there servers  as it keeps server reseting so try registering the Witcher 1 or 2 atm. And if you want to send them an email or tech support request they want a Securom ID code WTF ! Which of course you have'nt got with the witcher and they've removed it with the witcher 2 with the latest patch.
   Meh this is the wrong place to rant about cdprojekt's failings.

[Tommy6860]

marshalleck wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Most people don't think EA is a "bad company" (ugh, classic rock...)
because of DA2's direction. They think EA is a "bad company" because
they interfere with and meddle in studios' dsign efforts and development
time, often with catastrophic consequence for the employees of said
studios' careers.

I think you may have replied out of context to what I was stating in my previous reply, but I'll reply here in kind. Firstly, it isn't up to me to decide that EA is a bad company for what they want to do within their company. Ultimately, they live or die by their internal decisions and how that reflects in sales and income. They are a business that has to answer to shareholder interest. What I like or do not like about EA and their divisions has to do with the products they put out, but that is solely subjective to my taste. But, for anyone to harp on a company because it didn't serve them up a good product, is totally subjective to the purchaser.

Now, I do think it is wrong to mislead what a product does, and that DA2 was misleading to me. That I will hold against them. Ican move on from them or give them more chances, etc. For those that say they are a bad company because they feel they got shafted by one of their products, says little when there are those who like their products, even those who like DA2. I think it is unfair to EA and Bioware to hold them up to one's own preferences in games when those preferences may not be along the lines of those who do like what they offer. I just don't deal well with ad hominem and hyperbole to be honest.

If EA would merely content themselves with the publishing side of a partnership, nobody would hate them. But they don't leave it at that, and as a result they're loathed when a product that by all rights should be excellent comes out half-baked and well below what the studio in question is capable of. They've done it again, and again, and again, and again, and again...and they show no sign of having any interest in doing business otherwise. 

While I agree that some of their products are nothing I care for, they do make enough money as a leader in the industry to maintain their status as such from the sales of their products; surely that indicates many people like they offer. It isn't up to me, you, or any one person to decide what EA should and should not leave alone to what they have in ownership. Again, they are in this to make money and have to answer to more than just me, in spite of the products they put out that I think are not worthy of my purchase. Keep in mind, there's huge difference between me not liking a game and saying EA is bad for it, they are not mutually inclusive in this aspect. If going from what Laidlaw posted here recently, they may change back to the way the games I love are made, from what I didn't like in DA2, but they are the ones who have to live by those words, not I. If they fall on those words, I simply move on from their products. So, at least in that sense, we are getting a say in that.

You're missing the point entirely, and believing that EA will "go back" to anything in regards to Dragon Age is a bit wishful thinking, based on examination of how they have managed and mismanaged the portfolios of other game development studios they've acquired in the past. The hate for EA has very little to do with Dragon Age 2 gameplay mechanics in and of themselves. It has to do with how they make the fortunes for their shareholders by running accomplished, talented development studios into the dirt and exploiting them for all they're worth before moving onto the next host, like any common parasite. Some people find this predatory, destructive behavior distasteful, and EA's history of acting in this manner spans decades. There are significant indicators that history is beginning to repeat itself with Bioware. That's what motivates most of the EA hate.

Well, I don't hate, I think that is a powerful word and I just don't have time for it really and it has no use in regard to the discussion. You're entitled to have your thoughts though. Anyway, I really don't want to get into an in-depth discussion why EA shut down studios they bought as I know where that typically goes, and they normally are not worthwhile discussions.

[marshalleck]

DarthKaldriss wrote...

Well I love both games for different reasons. However Bioware edges it by providing two things that CDprojekt do not. Thats tech support and user forums. 

They actually do have forums, they're just down for a redesign apparently. So saying they "don't provide them" is a bit of a misnomer. 

[gotthammer]

marshalleck wrote...
 (I don't think TW2 has a toggle? I haven't seen it...).

There isn't one, I think. The closest thing is the ability to skip cutscenes. (Right Mouse Button a couple of times)
There is a version which is 'edited', tho', but I don't know the extent of the censorship (the Aussie version, I think)

[DarthKaldriss]

marshalleck wrote...

DarthKaldriss wrote...

Well I love both games for different reasons. However Bioware edges it by providing two things that CDprojekt do not. Thats tech support and user forums. 

They actually do have forums, they're just down for a redesign apparently. So saying they "don't provide them" is a bit of a misnomer. 

           That redesign is taking sometime then. When Bioware changed forums they waited till these where up before closing the old ones. So at the moment they do not provide forums which should have been up at TW2 release unless they antcipated the sh*tstorm thats resulted from releasing a beta product.

Modifié par DarthKaldriss, 30 mai 2011 - 10:28 .

[Myxyplyxxx]

I agree with most of Dasher1010 assessments, but I would like to add one thing not mentioned in the first post, and that is target audience. Who the game is addressed to has a significant influence on it's content. DA2 seems to target a young audience, while TW2 is made for a mature audience.

For me DA2 was disappointing compared with Origins, and it pales on all levels compared with TW2. DA2 doesn't have any replay value, while TW2 offers different experiences on replay, and demands that you replay it, because it leaves you so intrigued every time you make a choice. The story takes a different direction as a result of your choices, which is really wonderful.

I would like to add one more thing which I love about TW2, and that is the way it challenges your thinking and reasoning. It treats you like an intelligent person, it doesn't hold your hand every step of the way, nor treat you like a moron.

I really hope the developers will take notice and make a much better DA game next time.

[marshalleck]

DarthKaldriss wrote...

           That redesign is taking sometime then. When Bioware changed forums they waited till these where up before closing the old ones. So at the moment they do not provide forums which should have been up at TW2 release unless they antcipated the sh*tstorm thats resulted from releasing a beta product.

lol, there's no 'sh*tstorm thats resulted from releasing a beta product." Doesn't work for you != doesn't work for anybody. 

[DarthKaldriss]

marshalleck wrote...

DarthKaldriss wrote...

           That redesign is taking sometime then. When Bioware changed forums they waited till these where up before closing the old ones. So at the moment they do not provide forums which should have been up at TW2 release unless they antcipated the sh*tstorm thats resulted from releasing a beta product.

lol, there's no 'sh*tstorm thats resulted from releasing a beta product." Doesn't work for you != doesn't work for anybody. 

        Works okish for me I've already said I love the game just hate there lack of support. Also try reading all the comments on there site in the community section. Theres your storm, alot of people are not happy.