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[KnightofPhoenix]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

And Fallout New Vegas does factions well, too.I nfact, you don't even have to side with anyone in that game. You can screw them over so badly, and you can become the ruler of New Vegas.

So I've been told. I was also told that I reminded them of Mr. House.

[DarthKaldriss]

TW2's ending was the same as DA2's a cliffhanger. Just thought I'd throw that in the pot.

[gingerbill]

Both the witcher and witcher 2 i found very average .Witcher 2 i havent played much as it just doesnt intrest me , the combat system is rubbish and very repetititive and theres very little choice in character development. I think even DA2 is far better than either witcher game.

Modifié par gingerbill, 30 mai 2011 - 04:47 .

[CalJones]

Heh heh, yeah I did say that.
Of course, if you go the Yes Man route, his parting comment at the end of the game is rather ominous to say the least.

But yes, I liked the way factions were handled in F:NV.

I also liked the way they were handled in The Witcher. At least taking a side felt as though it made a difference.

[KnightofPhoenix]

DarthKaldriss wrote...

TW2's ending was the same as DA2's a cliffhanger. Just thought I'd throw that in the pot.

Not really, and it's taking two endings or cliffhangers in isolation, while ignoring all the build up and mood.

A cliffhanger is not necessarily a bad thing,, it could be done well. TW2 could have done it better imo. But I thought it was better than DA2's ending, which I see as a debacle and not only because of a bad cliffhanger. 

[Espada_Andy_2]

DarthKaldriss wrote...

TW2's ending was the same as DA2's a cliffhanger. Just thought I'd throw that in the pot.

Lol hell no!
In da2 you never learn what happened to the warden, you dont know what happened to you, you dont know why the chantry's agents look for you, you dont know what morrigans mother is planning...
In the witcher 2 in the ending you learn what you need to know and you regain your memory back!
Its pretty obvious you will go look for yennefer and you are gonna prevent the north kingdoms be invaded by nilfgard!
The only thing you dont know many details is the wild hunt!
Witcher 2 is a better game and there was hard work involved!
Dragon age 2 in contrary is a ****ty game rushed by a company double the size of CDP RED.
Anyone saying Dragon age 2 is better than either witcher game is either a troll or stupid

[Ixalmaris]

And still DA2 struggles for sales, even with free ME2, while TW2 gets gifted to the president of the United States.

[neppakyo]

Ixalmaris wrote...

And still DA2 struggles for sales, even with free ME2, while TW2 gets gifted to the president of the United States.

If they gifted DA2 to the president, it might be considered a terrorist act.

*lays an ink trap and zoiberg shuffles out* Whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop!

[Stanley Woo]

Let's keep this largely DA2 related, please.

[DragonRageGT]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

DarthKaldriss wrote...

TW2's ending was the same as DA2's a cliffhanger. Just thought I'd throw that in the pot.

Not really, and it's taking two endings or cliffhangers in isolation, while ignoring all the build up and mood.

A cliffhanger is not necessarily a bad thing,, it could be done well. TW2 could have done it better imo. But I thought it was better than DA2's ending, which I see as a debacle and not only because of a bad cliffhanger. 

This! Plus I got all my questions answered and a real sense of completion while knowing that more's to come! Will we see Hawke in another DA game? I'd say that there's a chance the next DA game will have a different protagonist while it may involve what's happened in Kirkwall.

[Luvinn]

DarthKaldriss wrote...

TW2's ending was the same as DA2's a cliffhanger. Just thought I'd throw that in the pot.

When i beat DA2, first thing the ending made me think of was, "well that was a nice setup for a $50 expansion"

[Aesieru]

The same design decisions does not mean the same implementation.

Instead of going into a new art direction ala Dragon Age 2, they merely improved their art quality.

With their improvements to cities they merely fleshed it out instead of trying to base everything inside them.

They stripped the linear play for non-linear and even gave the ability to have a completely different game experience depending on which side Scoia'tael or Roche, that you chose. (I didn't realize this until I saw a spoiler for something on the other side choice).

They fixed the majority of crashes... instead of crashing every 20 minutes I crashed perhaps every hour, every 4 hours, or just every 2 hours, and that was much more manageable, especially with their autosave system... granted the ability to re-load my failures constantly is something that, while I used it in the game, I did not appreciate because it suspended immersion.

They didn't use waves at all, though some clever, though non subtle at times, methods of spawning were used, and sometimes it was repetitive or expected.

The lack of skills and what not was because the game is based off of a book series by a Polish author, so the creative license can't be changed too much, wherein Dragon Age does not have that limitation...

Truthfully, The Witcher 2... was a good product... Dragon Age 2 took it in a different implementation that resulted in debauchery versus evolution.

Modifié par Aesieru, 30 mai 2011 - 07:51 .

[philippe willaume]

Elhanan wrote...

philippe willaume wrote...

Well if I understood you correctly in a pervious post: You did not play the game TW2
No offense that does not put in any really position to have an informed opinion.
You have probably a very well researched opinion but are lacking the fundamental experimentation to draw relevant conclusion
 
It a bit like someone telling me that what ever Asian sword school is much better that Ringeck and the lichtanauer sword school because there is only 5 strikes and you really only  use that  in attack and in defence.
And they can mount a solid argument and all that looks good until I kick their arse in sparing.
Until you have spared you do not know really know what you are talking about.
 
As I said before most of people criticising DA: 2 do not say it is crap, they say that it fell short of expectation and use TW2 as and example of what meet and exceed expectations.
 
Just as people are dismissing, quite wrongly in my opinion, you gaming style, it seems to me that you are dismissing just as wrongly the things that EA should take from the TW2 for seeing only ******, sex and arse in TW2.
 
I will by DA:3 I like the world and I like the concept, and like most I would like that to be of a better standard than DA2.
 
phil

Find me a post where I critized TW2 as a game, and I might agree. But I do not believe I have done so.

I have spoken of why I will not play the game, and much has been inflated on this issue because being modest is not the current way. I read of the TW games having profanity at length, a focus on nudity and sex (being toggled or not), and the gameplay recommended Twitch skills, which I never have had. Pass.

I do not have to purchase and try a product to know that it is not for me, but will agree that I should if I were to critique the item. Be it movie, game, etc, part of being a good consumer is being an informed one; not one that gets everythiong first, then complains about it later.

hello
And that precisely what I am driving at. I can understand your reasons and to me there are just as good as any. And at least you are not giving me  the “I did not play much but …”
 
Yes there is profanity, yes there is nudity, and no there is no more sex than in DA:2.
Some one commented that it was made in a more adult vs teenager fashion and we could see it like that but well in either case it is not hentai
There is really no focus on nudity and sex, I mean TW2 by far closer to legend of the seeker than Spartacus.
In fact in the Witcher 2 you can “boink about” much less than in the Witcher 1. (Where I confess that I went out of my way to get all the cards.)
 
I am not asking you to take one for the team either but really; really this is missing the point by miles/kilometres most of the disussion has been focused on the inner working of each game and not really on the genre.
 
I think we all got that you don’t like the genre and yes at a superficial level the game are quite comparable mechanically speaking but TW 2 delivers to it potential where as DA2 is suboptimal.
 
Personally I like both genres I do like the save heroic deeds of DA and Philippe Marlow side of the Witcher.
But regardless of the of that in the Witcher you have to ply a lot with q,w,e,r,a,s,d, ctr, space and both mouse button but if hit q,w.e.s and space just as often as all those key in DA2.
At a very fundamental level, in TW2 you have the tools to adapt your strategy in DA 2, you are much more restricted.
As for the choice in TW 2 you can let some of the main villain go without fighting.
In DA that would be equivalent to having the choice to let loghain live or to be able, should you chose to, to spare a certain templar in last act of DA2

phil

Modifié par philippe willaume, 30 mai 2011 - 08:22 .

[Aesieru]

Actually there is a lot more sex, because it's fleshed out sex versus cutscene of a bed underimposed over a character.

There aren't many SCENES though, but there's the option to have sex whenever you want, at certain points... the F word by the peasants was common, but not as common as ... Mafia 2 which had what... 356 or was it 600+ utterances of the F word? A world record.

The Witcher 2 was great, while the Witcher 1 was poor... ironic as I'd reverse that for Dragon Age.

It is difficult... very difficult at times, especially the beginning.

Truthfully though, choice while perhaps more prevalent, wasn't more significant in The Witcher 2... but you can easily just play the counter or mass fire-ball game if you truly desire (use Quen lightning shield as well) without the twitch skills.

[philippe willaume]

Well yes and they are kind of naked in the Witcher2 and I am really expecting Borat mankini for DA3, that being said bed you see enough in DA to know exactly what is happening and being clothed probably cater for the bed room role playing which is on a sharp raise in the uk, I am told. (May be EA could franchise the Isabela outfit with Ann Summers). Now in neither case, it is porn and DA:O was more raunchy than TW2 (though the undie were quite hard to bear)

Sure in the witcher you can go to the local brothel but at any other difficulty than casual you need your doe to get you kit upgraded.
This is de facto the mod for DA:0 which will reply the sex scene every time you chose the let go to bed option.

For the combat well, DA is massively tedious when you play a warrior you are limited to really one strategy and one only or you’ll be suboptimal

In TW2 sure you can fire ball away but according to the situation it is not always good enough. You need to change what you do according to the opponents (trap/push).
The trap, bombs and throwing knives add some variety but really it could be assimilated to a team member in DA: 2
Now as far as movement is concerned it is about the same in DA2 and TW 2 but yes you have to click for each attack and you have a click for a quick attack and a click for a slower more powerful attack
And when you develop your character you can privilege more the potions, fencing or sign which will influence the way you go about things and that much more than the talents in DA

No don’t get me wrong, I loath the kitting session for your hp to regenerate in the Witcher just as much as I loath the kitting session for cool down in DA.

As I said before that is lots of thing in the DA mechanics that have a potential to be better that in the witchers.

[Dragoonlordz]

Luvinn wrote...

DarthKaldriss wrote...

TW2's ending was the same as DA2's a cliffhanger. Just thought I'd throw that in the pot.

When i beat DA2, first thing the ending made me think of was, "well that was a nice setup for a $50 expansion"

From the moment I clicked the middle option in the last major (illusion of ~as some say) choice of game the same dialogue played that just played before and then was thrown back to same menu with 2 remaining options. From then on I knew it was going to be a bad ending to a game.

I was right given how the events played after with what both sides do; your puppet has to do to them (both regardless). After that I thought "Nooo it's getting worse". Then wham the insert coin cinematic popped up and my thoughts turned exactly towards "..Come on, your kidding right?"

I did however when end music played think "Oh I like that song ~Liar". Thats the only good thing apart form thank god won't have to see cave #328 again that I got from end of game myself personally.

[leeboi2]

Give them credit, the guys who make TW must be the only Poles on the planet that actually work, can't blame them for making a different game.

[FiachSidhe]

Ixalmaris wrote...

And still DA2 struggles for sales, even with free ME2, while TW2 gets gifted to the president of the United States.

It's sad beyond belief for a country, when your gifts to other world leaders, consists of a VIDEO GAME. What is this Obama's fifteenth birthday? What does Obama get from Canada, a card with cash inside? A gift certificate to Hot Topic? That doesn't make the game good, it makes the country suck.

As for the subject, I'm sure it has something to do with PC elitists having a hard on for The Witcher, and like the first one, it still allows them to feel superior to "lesser" gamers, and it simply not being DA2.

Modifié par FiachSidhe, 31 mai 2011 - 03:09 .

[tariq071]

FiachSidhe wrote...

Ixalmaris wrote...

And still DA2 struggles for sales, even with free ME2, while TW2 gets gifted to the president of the United States.

It's sad beyond belief for a country, when your gifts to other world leaders, consists of a VIDEO GAME. What is this Obama's fifteenth birthday? What does Obama get from Canada, a card with cash inside? A gift certificate to Hot Topic? That doesn't make the game good, it makes the country suck.

As for the subject, I'm sure it has something to do with PC elitists having a hard on for The Witcher, and like the first one, it still allows them to feel superior to "lesser" gamers, and it simply not being DA2.

Man, cool off , you like the game, good for you. They don't, good for them...

No reason for insulting everyone and everything because of it.You are not proving anything that way other then that you are completely out of control.

[MingWolf]

DarthKaldriss wrote...

TW2's ending was the same as DA2's a cliffhanger. Just thought I'd throw that in the pot.

TW2's ending didn't leave me too satisfied, but unlike DA2, it at least finished something that it started despite setting up for something else.  It was almost like The Empire Strikes Back.  DA2 started with the Seeker's interest in Hawke and that never really left the ground at all. 

[draken-heart]

 right now i think of DA2 as an interactive storybook about a specific person being told by another person to a third person, with 3 different problems=3 different acts.

think about that for aminute.

and mingwolf, since varric did not know where Hawke was, Cassie decided that she might as well know the whole story. and by the end her interest in the champion is recognizable-Hawke is needed to stop the MAGE-TEMPLAR WAR THAT IS GOING DOWN.

Modifié par draken-heart, 31 mai 2011 - 04:23 .

[Elhanan]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

You can certainly enjoy both, but I really can't look at the "climax" of Act 3 and either not chuckle or facepalm.  If that's considered mocking, then yes I am mocking (the game, not anyone).

The differences is, my mockery has substance. And is based on me actually playing the game. 

And I am not disrepecting his opinion at all. I am questionig what he is basing it on rather.

I do not question opinion on TW2, as I have not (nor will I) play it. And I do not question as to your having an opinion on DA2. But having played the latter, I oppose it as my experience and opinion differs.

You mock ACT 3; I enjoyed most of it.

As for TW, I mock the fanatics; not the game. When they come here instead of possibly staying at Metacritic after casting their 10-0 votes and pronounce their elitist opinions over others, I do not find it beyond me for taking their own words and lack of thought, and using it all against them.

[Corto81]

Elhanan wrote...
As for TW, I mock the fanatics; not the game. When they come here instead of possibly staying at Metacritic after casting their 10-0 votes and pronounce their elitist opinions over others, I do not find it beyond me for taking their own words and lack of thought, and using it all against them.

I "come here" because I post here and mostly play BW games.

And I think there are literally hundreds of constructive posts on this forum what went wrong with DA2 and why it received such poor ratings and sold so poorly.

Now, you can either believe the world is made of BW-hating trolls... Which would be dumb since other BW games have high ratings and sold much better...

Or that DA2 is just a sub-par game.

It doesn't matter you think it's awesome, the general opinion and more importantly, the sales, have been disappointing.

I also find completely ridiculous you've posted about 30 posts in w TW2/DA2 game design thread, when you didn't play Witcher 2.
Seriously....

[Elhanan]

Corto81 wrote...

I "come here" because I post here and mostly play BW games.

And I think there are literally hundreds of constructive posts on this forum what went wrong with DA2 and why it received such poor ratings and sold so poorly.

Now, you can either believe the world is made of BW-hating trolls... Which would be dumb since other BW games have high ratings and sold much better...

Or that DA2 is just a sub-par game.

It doesn't matter you think it's awesome, the general opinion and more importantly, the sales, have been disappointing.

I also find completely ridiculous you've posted about 30 posts in w TW2/DA2 game design thread, when you didn't play Witcher 2.
Seriously....

Seriously; have the same right of expression as another. If I were to offer an opinion on TW gameplay, then I can see where someone may oppose my opinions. But in those supposed 30 posts, I do not believe I offered an opinion on TW play (maybe the posters); simply contend that DA2 is better than many of the opinions held against it cause I have played that game. And even if their were a majority opinion opposing mine, it does not reduce the validty or the worth of it. Seriously.

Not all that like TW are fanatics; not all that dislike DA2 are Haters. But I do not mind using my warped sense of humor to oppose the ones that are in those sub-sets. Blame it on The Big Bang Theory.....

Modifié par Elhanan, 31 mai 2011 - 08:02 .