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[TheStrand221]

FiachSidhe wrote...

Ixalmaris wrote...

And still DA2 struggles for sales, even with free ME2, while TW2 gets gifted to the president of the United States.

It's sad beyond belief for a country, when your gifts to other world leaders, consists of a VIDEO GAME. What is this Obama's fifteenth birthday? What does Obama get from Canada, a card with cash inside? A gift certificate to Hot Topic? That doesn't make the game good, it makes the country suck.

As for the subject, I'm sure it has something to do with PC elitists having a hard on for The Witcher, and like the first one, it still allows them to feel superior to "lesser" gamers, and it simply not being DA2.

US Presidents don't get to keep the gifts they're given anyway.  If you want a diamond encrusted scimitar, you need to visit Saudi Arabia.

Way to insult an entire country of people because you don't like the quality of the junk their government gives dignitaries.  The US doesn't give out good gifts either.

[FiachSidhe]

TheStrand221 wrote...

FiachSidhe wrote...

Ixalmaris wrote...

And still DA2 struggles for sales, even with free ME2, while TW2 gets gifted to the president of the United States.

It's sad beyond belief for a country, when your gifts to other world leaders, consists of a VIDEO GAME. What is this Obama's fifteenth birthday? What does Obama get from Canada, a card with cash inside? A gift certificate to Hot Topic? That doesn't make the game good, it makes the country suck.

As for the subject, I'm sure it has something to do with PC elitists having a hard on for The Witcher, and like the first one, it still allows them to feel superior to "lesser" gamers, and it simply not being DA2.

US Presidents don't get to keep the gifts they're given anyway.  If you want a diamond encrusted scimitar, you need to visit Saudi Arabia.

Way to insult an entire country of people because you don't like the quality of the junk their government gives dignitaries.  The US doesn't give out good gifts either.

I could have sworn if they are of a certain value or lower, the pres gets to keep them, or buy them from the government.

What have we given? What comes close to a video game in terms of stupidity? Sorry, but if the Witcher was on a list of things that make our country great, the U.S. would be half on fire, and half underwater.

I'm sure Poland is a fine country. I am Polish on my mother's side. We're the leading producer of submarine screen doors, and if we hadn't lost the recipe, we'd be the world leading producers of ice cubes, but it shames me that a foreign leader thinks a ****ing video game is something you give to world leaders.

Obama gets flak for playing a simple game of basketball, what would the country think if he started spending his time on overlong rpgs.

What does America give out? Inalienable human rights. But yeah a video game is good too.

Modifié par FiachSidhe, 31 mai 2011 - 10:55 .

[MDT1]

DarthKaldriss wrote...

TW2's ending was the same as DA2's a cliffhanger. Just thought I'd throw that in the pot.

You do realise that Varric tells the story 3 years after the events on the gallows (because advertising a game for covering a decade is cooler than advertising a game for the 7 years it actually covers.), and tells you "well, I have no idea what happend since".

Also I support Poland for giving TW2 to Obama! (No matter what Fox news would think about it!(Or maybe because of it ))

Modifié par MDT1, 31 mai 2011 - 11:04 .

[Corto81]

FiachSidhe wrote...

I'm sure Poland is a fine country. I am Polish on my mother's side. We're the leading producer of submarine screen doors, and if we hadn't lost the recipe, we'd be the world leading producers of ice cubes, but it shames me that a foreign leader thinks a ****ing video game is something you give to world leaders.

What does America give out? Inalienable human rights. But yeah a video game is good too.

So you're crapping all over Poland cos of this AND saying the country that gave us the the indian wars, segragation of african-americans, nuclear bomb, Vietnam, Iraq,  Guantanamo etc etc etc ....  is supposed to be insulted over it because they have "inalienable human rights"?

lol....

[TheStrand221]

I'm not an expert on US presidential protocol, so I don't know if presidents can buy gifts back, but I know that they at least begin as owned by the US government. While in office they can be made use of, so a first lady could wear diamond earrings she had been given, but once they leave office it reverts to the state and usually ends up as memorabilia is that president's presidential library.

Giving a video game out as a gift is unusual, maybe unprecedented, but in ten year it probably won't be so. Video games are main stream now, and the industry is on par with film. I don't see any reason why Poland, a small country not know for video game development, shouldn't be proud of a game their nation produced especially when it's based on one of their popular literary IPs.

Of course the president doesn't have time to play The Witcher 2. He didn't even have time to release the full version of his birth certificate... BECAUSE HE WAS TOO BUSY KILLING OSAMA BIN LADEN.

Anyway, I like the Poles. I've never understood Polish jokes about them being stupid, they did all the fundamental work breaking the Enigma during WWII and after their nation fell passed that info on to the UK and US.

Oh, and Corto81, America bashing is so passe.

[FiachSidhe]

Corto81 wrote...

FiachSidhe wrote...

I'm sure Poland is a fine country. I am Polish on my mother's side. We're the leading producer of submarine screen doors, and if we hadn't lost the recipe, we'd be the world leading producers of ice cubes, but it shames me that a foreign leader thinks a ****ing video game is something you give to world leaders.

What does America give out? Inalienable human rights. But yeah a video game is good too.

So you're crapping all over Poland cos of this AND saying the country that gave us the the indian wars, segragation of african-americans, nuclear bomb, Vietnam, Iraq,  Guantanamo etc etc etc ....  is supposed to be insulted over it because they have "inalienable human rights"?

lol....

 I have a sense of humor about my own nationalitiies, not crapping all over them. I just think the concept is stupid.  I was joking before about the human rights.

American gifts to foreign leaders probably consists of a gift certificate to Starbucks, crappy lite beer, the complete Jersey Shore DVDs and an autistic kid.

Modifié par FiachSidhe, 31 mai 2011 - 11:54 .

[FiachSidhe]

TheStrand221 wrote...

I'm not an expert on US presidential protocol, so I don't know if presidents can buy gifts back, but I know that they at least begin as owned by the US government. While in office they can be made use of, so a first lady could wear diamond earrings she had been given, but once they leave office it reverts to the state and usually ends up as memorabilia is that president's presidential library.

Giving a video game out as a gift is unusual, maybe unprecedented, but in ten year it probably won't be so. Video games are main stream now, and the industry is on par with film. I don't see any reason why Poland, a small country not know for video game development, shouldn't be proud of a game their nation produced especially when it's based on one of their popular literary IPs.

Of course the president doesn't have time to play The Witcher 2. He didn't even have time to release the full version of his birth certificate... BECAUSE HE WAS TOO BUSY KILLING OSAMA BIN LADEN.

Anyway, I like the Poles. I've never understood Polish jokes about them being stupid, they did all the fundamental work breaking the Enigma during WWII and after their nation fell passed that info on to the UK and US.

Oh, and Corto81, America bashing is so passe.

I think it's like 300 dollars or less and he can own it. Or buy it. The gifts are considered public property by default as it's a gift to the position of the President, and not the individual. It's his for as long as he's in office.

I just find it silly. All kidding aside, I don't really care what they give world leaders.

I agree, I love my Polish blood, as I do all six of my other nationalities.
During World War II the Poles fought harder, with less, than anyone. There is nothing stupid about them.

[Chromie]

Elhanan wrote...

Seriously; have the same right of expression as another. If I were to offer an opinion on TW gameplay, then I can see where someone may oppose my opinions

Saying the game is filled with gratuitous nudity, violence or cursing is a knock on the gameplay. And that's what I frequently see you saying yet you haven't played it. How can you make an informed decisions. Infact sex isn't in your face in Witcher. The player has to actually LOOK for it. In Witcher 2 there are less then half of possible encounters in the game also.


Anything > Jersey Shore dvd's....actually that crap show reminds me of THIS

Modifié par Ringo12, 31 mai 2011 - 01:40 .

[Aesieru]

If he didn't accept it, it would be considered a public insult...

So yeah... good job thinking ahead.

[Lumikki]

What can I say.

It's all about "I think this and that" what is personal options and feelings as taste what player likes or doesn't.

1. Person assuming others like what they self like.
2. Making statement that something is better or worst, while it's totally based persons own feelings and needs.

Modifié par Lumikki, 31 mai 2011 - 02:00 .

[MDT1]

Lumikki wrote...

What can I say.

It's all about "I think this and that" what is personal options and feelings as taste what player likes or doesn't.

1. Person assuming others like what they self like.
2. Making statement that something is better or worst, while it's totally based persons own feelings and needs.

Thats quite true.
But people also naturally see the need to get their message through to BioWare so BW decides to make games for them (again).
Let's say everybody who loved DAO but didn't like DA2 didn't buy DA2. Would that mean theaty they have no right to complain? If so DA2 would have a user score of 95% and BioWare would more likely never do a game for them again.
So they complain.

Modifié par MDT1, 31 mai 2011 - 02:11 .

[mmu1]

FiachSidhe wrote...

Ixalmaris wrote...

And still DA2 struggles for sales, even with free ME2, while TW2 gets gifted to the president of the United States.

It's sad beyond belief for a country, when your gifts to other world leaders, consists of a VIDEO GAME. What is this Obama's fifteenth birthday? What does Obama get from Canada, a card with cash inside? A gift certificate to Hot Topic? That doesn't make the game good, it makes the country suck.

Oh, you mean like the time the British prime minister gave Obama a pen holder carved from the timbers of a Royal Navy ship engaged in hunting down the slave trade (the desk Obama chose for the Oval Office was made from the planks of its sister ship) a first edition biography of Winston Churchill, and a bunch of fairly thoughtful gifts for the Obama kids, and Obama gave Brown a set of classic movies on DVD and a helicopter model from the White House gift shop?

[Lumikki]

MDT1 wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

What can I say.

It's all about "I think this and that" what is personal options and feelings as taste what player likes or doesn't.

1. Person assuming others like what they self like.
2. Making statement that something is better or worst, while it's totally based persons own feelings and needs.

Thats quite true.
But people also naturally see the need to get their message through to BioWare so BW decides to make games for them (again).
Let's say everybody who loved DAO but didn't like DA2 didn't buy DA2. Would that mean theaty they have no right to complain? If so DA2 would have a user score of 95% and BioWare would more likely never do a game for them again.
So they complain.

If someone haven't played the game. They don't much have base for any complain. Because it's all based totally assumption what others have sayed or they wanted different game in first place. "Daddy why can't I get ice cream"

My point is that too many complain is based "I wanted this to be something else" and too little "This in the game did not work well".  Do you see the difference, as people expecting something else and actually complanining the game it self as how it is. Players should learn, they don't create or change games, they just give feedback what they liked and not. The game developers then choose what information they will use. Meaning player suggesting that developers would make games for them, is not base for players to complain some other game, if it isn't what they wanted it to be. Comparing games for sure, but not judge other game by players own expectations, when it's not based the game it self.

There is so many different scores in many games and players choose scores what fits they goals. Also meaning why some game has score like X can be assumed many different ways. Way too many assumptions.

Modifié par Lumikki, 31 mai 2011 - 04:01 .

[Elhanan]

Ringo12 wrote...

Saying the game is filled with gratuitous nudity, violence or cursing is a knock on the gameplay. And that's what I frequently see you saying yet you haven't played it. How can you make an informed decisions. Infact sex isn't in your face in Witcher. The player has to actually LOOK for it. In Witcher 2 there are less then half of possible encounters in the game also.

Anything > Jersey Shore dvd's....actually that crap show reminds me of THIS

Do not recall saying that TW was filled, but is has been reported to be included often enough to warrant notice. Now I actually look in the reviews occasionally, and not just scan the voting scores, but perhaps that is just me; YMMV.

Do not have to taste liver to know that I will not like it, as I have tasted liver before.

P.S. And I have not voted on Metacritic for any game, though apparently ownership is not required anyway.

Modifié par Elhanan, 31 mai 2011 - 04:07 .

[Addai]

FiachSidhe wrote...

Ixalmaris wrote...

And still DA2 struggles for sales, even with free ME2, while TW2 gets gifted to the president of the United States.

It's sad beyond belief for a country, when your gifts to other world leaders, consists of a VIDEO GAME. What is this Obama's fifteenth birthday? What does Obama get from Canada, a card with cash inside? A gift certificate to Hot Topic? That doesn't make the game good, it makes the country suck.

As for the subject, I'm sure it has something to do with PC elitists having a hard on for The Witcher, and like the first one, it still allows them to feel superior to "lesser" gamers, and it simply not being DA2.

When the discussion is reduced to something like this, there's really nothing else to say.

The Obamas have made a point of highlighting American popular culture in their gift-giving.  You can call it tacky, but the Poles are responding in kind and that's fine.  Who cares, really?

One thing I appreciate about the DA franchise over TW is that female characters seem more real to me.  I didn't realized til I read The Last Wish that the game comes by their juvenile approach to such matters honestly.  It's subjective, I can't put my finger on exactly what I don't like, but the women seem like 60s movie starlets more than real characters.

[Dragoonlordz]

FiachSidhe wrote...

I think it's like 300 dollars or less and he can own it. Or buy it. The gifts are considered public property by default as it's a gift to the position of the President, and not the individual. It's his for as long as he's in office.

I just find it silly. All kidding aside, I don't really care what they give world leaders.

I agree, I love my Polish blood, as I do all six of my other nationalities.
During World War II the Poles fought harder, with less, than anyone. There is nothing stupid about them.

Your kidding right? I don't see our PMs giving stuff back in fact I'm very sure they don't atleast here. Our current British PM gave Obama a peice of art which was researched that is in the style Obama likes apparently also our previous PM gave Obama a penholder carved from the timbers of an anti-slavery ship. The sister ship, in fact, of the one that was broken up and turned into the desk in the Oval Office.

Want to know what Obama gave our previous PM? American DVDs that won't play on non US DVD players and an old second hand bomber jacket he used to wear. Sorry but I'd take TW2 over those myself.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 31 mai 2011 - 04:38 .

[Templarjer Hsu]

in my opinion, it's the attitude of the company.
CD Projeckt made TW2 multilingual. It influenced those people who don't speak English around me. Moreover, all DLC are set to be FREE OF CHARGE while DA2 started to sell DLC in the first day of release. Moreover, we aren't abused by the reuse of maps. Environment are crafted more thoroughly in TW2. What is more, TW2 is a much longer game which you might even have a completely different act comparing to other players. But the ending sucks = = That's what drag TW2 down a little bit.

To me, bioware team is a business team while CD Projeckt are a bunch of artists who have balls

[In Exile]

Templarjer Hsu wrote...

in my opinion, it's the attitude of the company.
CD Projeckt made TW2 multilingual. It influenced those people who don't speak English around me. Moreover, all DLC are set to be FREE OF CHARGE while DA2 started to sell DLC in the first day of release. Moreover, we aren't abused by the reuse of maps. Environment are crafted more thoroughly in TW2. What is more, TW2 is a much longer game which you might even have a completely different act comparing to other players. But the ending sucks = = That's what drag TW2 down a little bit.

To me, bioware team is a business team while CD Projeckt are a bunch of artists who have balls

CD Projekt found a better business model. Read their press release on DLC. They don't say, "free dlc because of artistic integrity!" they say something like "DLC as a business model poisons relationships with consumers, and long-term health of our products requires careful management of our consumer base". They say the same about DRM (which was included as a release control, then removed by patch), i.e. that it is a burden to consumers and so challenges the profitability of the brand.

They're a smaller company and they have a very smart business model, but artists with balls is not a very good way to capture that. I can't help but look at the in awe: they changed so much of their gameplay to make it compatible with consoles, but they're praised as a PC first company.

[Dragoonlordz]

In Exile wrote...

Templarjer Hsu wrote...

in my opinion, it's the attitude of the company.
CD Projeckt made TW2 multilingual. It influenced those people who don't speak English around me. Moreover, all DLC are set to be FREE OF CHARGE while DA2 started to sell DLC in the first day of release. Moreover, we aren't abused by the reuse of maps. Environment are crafted more thoroughly in TW2. What is more, TW2 is a much longer game which you might even have a completely different act comparing to other players. But the ending sucks = = That's what drag TW2 down a little bit.

To me, bioware team is a business team while CD Projeckt are a bunch of artists who have balls

CD Projekt found a better business model. Read their press release on DLC. They don't say, "free dlc because of artistic integrity!" they say something like "DLC as a business model poisons relationships with consumers, and long-term health of our products requires careful management of our consumer base". They say the same about DRM (which was included as a release control, then removed by patch), i.e. that it is a burden to consumers and so challenges the profitability of the brand.

They're a smaller company and they have a very smart business model, but artists with balls is not a very good way to capture that. I can't help but look at the in awe: they changed so much of their gameplay to make it compatible with consoles, but they're praised as a PC first company.

It is worth noting however that only the DLC is free and not the expansions or very large DLC that borderlines the term expansion.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 31 mai 2011 - 04:40 .

[Chris Priestly]

No longer about DAII. Please continue discussing TW2 in our Off Topic forum.


LOCKDOWN!

[MDT1]

And we need to see how much DLC there will be. Also I'm not so sure that TW2 is realy longer than DA2 if you ignore the fact that you can have two differnt second acts. But perhaps its just the same problem as with comparing 1 hour of good sex with half an hour of waiting for the dentist.