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[Chromie]

GRX Dragon wrote...
But other than that, maybe I'll take my chance and torrent it.

I assume you made no effort to google it? There are actual sex scenes now and no cards. But why pirate the game? Buying it on Steam or Gog has no DRM.

Steam version doesn't have any drm except Steam drm. Just files are there but it doesn't actually install.

[Dreadstruck]

GRX Dragon wrote...
I also probably would get annoyed if the nudity was handled the same way in the first one too (with all the tarrot cards). But other than that, maybe I'll take my chance and torrent it.

I am sure that some googling for information won't kill ya. Much better than wasting bandwith on torrents.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 22 mai 2011 - 10:50 .

[In Exile]

Giltspur wrote...
And perhaps most importantly TW2 has a sense of adventure, a grand scale. I feel like I'm getting away from the real world and exploring a new place.  DA2 is Kirkwall, Sundermount and a beach.  That's not a lot.  Basically TW2 gives me  a world I want to be in. And that immersive quality that comes from good world-buidling is something that's often missing in games.  DAO did a better job of this than DA2.  TW2 does a better job of this than DA2.  I think that more fully realized setting is the most apparent difference between TW2 and DA2.

I don't get that. TW2 has three locations. Floatsam, the Pontar Valley (though admittedly from 2 perspectives) and Loc Muine. That's it. It has unique locations unlike DA:O's recycled game and you move around so the game doesn't feel as static, but it's not 'bigger'.

What TW2 did do well, though, is the non-modular design. That makes it feel open.

[Drachasor]

Fundamentally it comes down to DA2 being a game that was rushed out the door. If you do that it doesn't matter how awesome your design decisions are; without enough time, you can't implement them right.

[DTKT]

Drachasor wrote...

Fundamentally it comes down to DA2 being a game that was rushed out the door. If you do that it doesn't matter how awesome your design decisions are; without enough time, you can't implement them right.

Bing, we have a winner.

W2 is a complete game. It feels like a complete package. DAII was rushed and could have benefited from 6-8 months of more dev time. The rampant recycling is the real killer for me.

And then, there are the simple things, Floatsam, the first "real" village you encounter, has more life than Kirkwall.

Modifié par DTKT, 22 mai 2011 - 11:00 .

[NedPepper]

Probably because all those people who call us Biodrones are Witcher fanboys who have actually been trashing DA2 even BEFORE it was ever released. The Witcher can do no wrong.

I'm not sure how this Witcher vs. Dragon Age crap started, and I don't see why it even matters. Isn't possible to like both games? Or dislike both games? What concerns me about this board is the hive mindset. I used to think geeks were an open-minded, amaiable lot....until discovering these boards.

[In Exile]

nedpepper wrote...
I'm not sure how this Witcher vs. Dragon Age crap started, and I don't see why it even matters. Isn't possible to like both games? Or dislike both games? What concerns me about this board is the hive mindset. I used to think geeks were an open-minded, amaiable lot....until discovering these boards.

No. Just like how it's not allowed to like both DA:O and DA2, or to like ME and ME2, or think that Alpha Protocol wasn't a bug infested mess, etc.

Modifié par In Exile, 22 mai 2011 - 11:03 .

[element eater]

When discussing why people are unsatisfied with one and not the other I think there is a lot to be said for peoples expectations as well. The Witcher 2 largely seems to be giving players what they expected it to and what they wanted from it. DA2 on the other hand probably due to various decisions didn't deliver what a lot of people expected or wanted it to.

[DragonRageGT]

Because of this, actually:

http://comicvania.co...11/05/outplayed

Modifié par RageGT, 22 mai 2011 - 11:15 .

[NedPepper]

In Exile wrote...

nedpepper wrote...
I'm not sure how this Witcher vs. Dragon Age crap started, and I don't see why it even matters. Isn't possible to like both games? Or dislike both games? What concerns me about this board is the hive mindset. I used to think geeks were an open-minded, amaiable lot....until discovering these boards.

No. Just like how it's not allowed to like both DA:O and DA2, or to like ME and ME2, or think that Alpha Protocol wasn't a bug infested mess, etc.

There's a hypocrisy as stated in the OP's post.  Expectations?  Because Bioware has decided to make changes to their franchises, to experiment, that's a bad thing?

You see, I think this argument is a lot simpler.  It all goes back to that elitist PC mindset.  The Witcher is better because it's not available on consoles and it was not released my a mainstream publisher.  I go back to my original point.  WAY before DA2 was announced, there were people already denouncing the game and pimping The Witcher 2.  It's even worse on Facebook.  Every time Bioware would release bits of information about DA2 before it's release, the comments were filled with "Dragon Age Sucks...WITCHER 2!" .  Why even go to effort to "like" Dragon Age if the whole point is to **** yourself out for another video game.

And for a lot of us who can't afford to buy a computer that  CAN PLAY either the first or second Witcher, we're left scratching our heads.  We'll never know, because The Witcher will never be released on the X-Box or Playstation and they seem to take pride in that.  And that's the crux of this argument, I believe.

[erynnar]

Maybe because they couldn't even spell Fereld-EN (not Fereld-AN) in the subtitles right? At least TW2 didn't have a problem with the details and the spelling of it's own lore.

Edited for my smiley which I didn't show...It as meant as sarcasm....BLeh,internet issues.

Modifié par erynnar, 22 mai 2011 - 11:44 .

[NedPepper]

erynnar wrote...

Maybe because they couldn't even spell Fereld-EN (not Fereld-AN) in the subtitles right? At least TW2 didn't have a problem with the details and the spelling of it's own lore.

Really?  That's your main issue? A typo? 

Now we're reaching.

[DragonRageGT]

some people needs a drawing:

[Zanallen]

I chalk it all up to dev time. DA2 was made in 18 months. A year and a half. How long was Witcher 2 in development? So, despite having many of the same design decisions, Witcher 2 was afforded a lot more time for polish.

And lol at that comic, I still don't understand why women find Geralt attractive.

[DragonRageGT]

Zanallen wrote...

I chalk it all up to dev time. DA2 was made in 18 months. A year and a half. How long was Witcher 2 in development? So, despite having many of the same design decisions, Witcher 2 was afforded a lot more time for polish.

And lol at that comic, I still don't understand why women find Geralt attractive.

Shane Falco: Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.

[_Aine_]

Zanallen wrote...

I chalk it all up to dev time. DA2 was made in 18 months. A year and a half. How long was Witcher 2 in development? So, despite having many of the same design decisions, Witcher 2 was afforded a lot more time for polish.

And lol at that comic, I still don't understand why women find Geralt attractive.

He's got character. Ruggedness. And the look of experience.  
Just a guess.    

[erynnar]

nedpepper wrote...

In Exile wrote...

nedpepper wrote...
I'm not sure how this Witcher vs. Dragon Age crap started, and I don't see why it even matters. Isn't possible to like both games? Or dislike both games? What concerns me about this board is the hive mindset. I used to think geeks were an open-minded, amaiable lot....until discovering these boards.

No. Just like how it's not allowed to like both DA:O and DA2, or to like ME and ME2, or think that Alpha Protocol wasn't a bug infested mess, etc.

There's a hypocrisy as stated in the OP's post.  Expectations?  Because Bioware has decided to make changes to their franchises, to experiment, that's a bad thing?

You see, I think this argument is a lot simpler.  It all goes back to that elitist PC mindset.  The Witcher is better because it's not available on consoles and it was not released my a mainstream publisher.  I go back to my original point.  WAY before DA2 was announced, there were people already denouncing the game and pimping The Witcher 2.  It's even worse on Facebook.  Every time Bioware would release bits of information about DA2 before it's release, the comments were filled with "Dragon Age Sucks...WITCHER 2!" .  Why even go to effort to "like" Dragon Age if the whole point is to **** yourself out for another video game.

And for a lot of us who can't afford to buy a computer that  CAN PLAY either the first or second Witcher, we're left scratching our heads.  We'll never know, because The Witcher will never be released on the X-Box or Playstation and they seem to take pride in that.  And that's the crux of this argument, I believe.

Um don't call me a PC elitist, it is rude, and un called for, and makes your arguments look like ignorant whining. I don't call people console kiddies, and I don't call them fanboys, fanboise (that one really pisses me off). And this old craptastic argument...again.  Yeah, not all changes are good. No, it isn't bad to experiement. 

But, BioWare didnt' just experiement, the group that worked on DA2 ripped out almost everything from DAO, including retconning or just completely ignoring lore from the first game. They did a complete 180 (Mike Laidlaw admits this). From eye colors of well known and loved or liked characters even. And that is the smallest, you can work you way up to the biggest of these real glaring problems of ignoring DAO almost all together. All of it, from the smallest to the largest retcon, ignoring, tossing ou, etc of lore, history, etc. was just a sign to me of pissing on the first very successful and popular game of the franchise.

And tossing a few of the characters from the previous game was just a small thin bone with no meat. I would have preferred they just left everyone from DAO out of DA2 completely. It was a complete waste, and in some ways an insult. And why did they even bother? Who knows, it wasn't like DAO was really the basis for the DA2 world really, not when they can't keep the history and lore straight at the very least. Why didn't they just make it a completely new game?  Oh, that's right...money. The name would make money, silly me.

So it isn't just change ( I expected a new story without my warden, in a new place from Ferelden, that was change that sounded neat to me, along with fixing what didn't work in DAO), I looked forward to a new character and new story in the DA universe.

What I got was, I don't what the hell I got, truth be told. I am detail person (as a writer you have to be to keep up with **** you wrote before), and DA2 couldn't even keep up with simple things that you could look up on dragon age wiki (which despite being able to be edited at will, is a hell of a lot more accurate than DA2).

At least Witcher 2 can keep up with, not only it's originally established lore from the first, but your decisions from it, and every thing you do in game changes things even as you play, and not just the ending; so, it's better about keeping up with is going on at the time it's happening. It didn't appear to retcon anything that I can see.

As to consoles, I hope they release for the console. I think there are plenty of console players who like RPG (as evidenced by DAO sales, past and present) and who would enjoy it. See, no PC elitism here. DA 2 Was just swung and missed. Let's hope BioWare doesn't go for strike two with DA3.

Modifié par erynnar, 22 mai 2011 - 11:41 .

[mesmerizedish]

erynnar wrote...

Maybe because they couldn't even spell Fereld-EN (not Fereld-AN) in the subtitles right? At least TW2 didn't have a problem with the details and the spelling of it's own lore.

Ferleden is the country. Fereldan is the demonym. L2P, noob.

[Zanallen]

RageGT wrote...

Shane Falco: Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.

The scars are fine. However, he's still a cat eyed albino. And have you noticed that he's actually really thin compared to most of the other fighter types? Almost emo thin sometimes. I mean, compare Geralt, the king and that shaved gorilla in that one scene. Why is the man who spends much of his time hunting down and slaying monsters the least physically imposing of those three?

[erynnar]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

erynnar wrote...

Maybe because they couldn't even spell Fereld-EN (not Fereld-AN) in the subtitles right? At least TW2 didn't have a problem with the details and the spelling of it's own lore.

Ferleden is the country. Fereldan is the demonym. L2P, noob.

Ah, I was being sarcastic , but not clear enough for you I guess. And does it make you feel better about yourself to insult people?

[NedPepper]

erynnar wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

In Exile wrote...

nedpepper wrote...
I'm not sure how this Witcher vs. Dragon Age crap started, and I don't see why it even matters. Isn't possible to like both games? Or dislike both games? What concerns me about this board is the hive mindset. I used to think geeks were an open-minded, amaiable lot....until discovering these boards.

No. Just like how it's not allowed to like both DA:O and DA2, or to like ME and ME2, or think that Alpha Protocol wasn't a bug infested mess, etc.

There's a hypocrisy as stated in the OP's post.  Expectations?  Because Bioware has decided to make changes to their franchises, to experiment, that's a bad thing?

You see, I think this argument is a lot simpler.  It all goes back to that elitist PC mindset.  The Witcher is better because it's not available on consoles and it was not released my a mainstream publisher.  I go back to my original point.  WAY before DA2 was announced, there were people already denouncing the game and pimping The Witcher 2.  It's even worse on Facebook.  Every time Bioware would release bits of information about DA2 before it's release, the comments were filled with "Dragon Age Sucks...WITCHER 2!" .  Why even go to effort to "like" Dragon Age if the whole point is to **** yourself out for another video game.

And for a lot of us who can't afford to buy a computer that  CAN PLAY either the first or second Witcher, we're left scratching our heads.  We'll never know, because The Witcher will never be released on the X-Box or Playstation and they seem to take pride in that.  And that's the crux of this argument, I believe.

Um don't call me a PC elitist, it is rude, and un called for, and makes your arguments look like ignorant whining. I don't call people console kiddies, and I don't call them fanboys, fanboise (that one really pisses me off). And this old craptastic argument...again.  Yeah, not all changes are good. No, it isn't bad to experiement. 

But, BioWare didnt' just experiement, the group that worked on DA2 ripped out almost everything from DAO, including retconning or just completely ignoring lore from the first game. They did a complete 180 (Mike Laidlaw admits this). From eye colors of well known and loved or liked characters even. And that is the smallest, you can work you way up to the biggest of these real glaring problems of ignoring DAO almost all together. All of it, from the smallest to the largest retcon, ignoring, tossing ou, etc of lore, history, etc. was just a sign to me of pissing on the first very successful and popular game of the franchise.

And tossing a few of the characters from the previous game was just a small thin bone with no meat. I would have preferred they just left everyone from DAO out of DA2 completely. It was a complete waste, and in some ways an insult. And why did they even bother? Who knows, it wasn't like DAO was really the basis for the DA2 world really, not when they can't keep the history and lore straight at the very least. Why didn't they just make it a completely new game?  Oh, that's right...money. The name would make money, silly me.

So it isn't just change ( I expected a new story without my warden, in a new place from Ferelden, that was change that sounded neat to me, along with fixing what didn't work in DAO), I looked forward to a new character and new story in the DA universe.

What I got was, I don't what the hell I got, truth be told. I am detail person (as a writer you have to be to keep up with **** you wrote before), and DA2 couldn't even keep up with simple things that you could look up on dragon age wiki (which despite being able to be edited at will, is a hell of a lot more accurate than DA2).

At least Witcher 2 can keep up with, not only it's originally established lore from the first, but your decisions from it, and every thing you do in game changes things even as you play, and not just the ending; so, it's better about keeping up with is going on at the time it's happening. It didn't appear to retcon anything that I can see.

As to consoles, I hope they release for the console. I think there are plenty of console players who like RPG (as evidenced by DAO sales, past and present) and who would enjoy it. See, no PC elitism here. DA 2 Was just swung and missed. Let's hope BioWare doesn't go for strike two with DA3.

As a fellow writer, I also know how DIFFICULT it can be, particularly when you are working in a team environment, to keep up with every detail of the lore.

And I hate to say this, but you come across as more of the whining type.  I CAN'T play Witcher, so I can't argue the details.  And I didn't name you personally.  Just an overall general feeling of the conversaton of the gaming community in multiple places.  And you know what?  I think I'm right.  It is a PC elitism/rebellious thing.   That doesn't mean YOU SPECIFICALLY, unless it hits a nerve and you take it that way.

[_Aine_]

Zanallen wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Shane Falco: Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.

The scars are fine. However, he's still a cat eyed albino. And have you noticed that he's actually really thin compared to most of the other fighter types? Almost emo thin sometimes. I mean, compare Geralt, the king and that shaved gorilla in that one scene. Why is the man who spends much of his time hunting down and slaying monsters the least physically imposing of those three?

I don't think he is all that thin... sure, low body fat, but he has some decent muscle on a medium body frame.  Letho dude is just terrifying.  He has to be log-tossing entire forests on a daily basis + some magical steroids to get that huge.  That is just HUGE.  (And he kind of reminds me of Arnold....)  

Personally I LOVE that he isn't this huge hulking meat machine.  Yeah, he is kind of wiry, true ( I thought it was partly due to his age and raging metabolism) but so many "heroes" are these ginormous over-compensating freaks of nature.  Seriously, an older, scarred, normal statured yet capable hero?  Who doesn't just win based on being the biggest of them all?   Yes please.  Just my opinion though. I know lots of men like playing big strong characters and probably lots of women out there like to look at them.  They are cool too, in their own way.  Just not my cup of tea.   I like some flaws, and quirks I guess. To each their own.  

Modifié par shantisands, 22 mai 2011 - 11:49 .

[mesmerizedish]

erynnar wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

erynnar wrote...

Maybe because they couldn't even spell Fereld-EN (not Fereld-AN) in the subtitles right? At least TW2 didn't have a problem with the details and the spelling of it's own lore.

Ferleden is the country. Fereldan is the demonym. L2P, noob.

Ah, I was being sarcastic , but not clear enough for you I guess. And does it make you feel better about yourself to insult people?

I don't think sarcastic means what you seem to think it means. Either way, it's no excuse for being wrong.

As for my supposed "insult," I was being ironic, but that wasn't clear enough for you I guess.

[Cody211282]

Because I never played TW2, I didn't like 1 all that much. But I liked DA:O and thus I'm pissed that DA2 sucks.